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I was wondering, do you think Baam will talk about his origins to his companions? If he does do you think he will reveal everything? And to who?
 

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I was wondering, do you think Baam will talk about his origins to his companions? If he does do you think he will reveal everything? And to who?
He revealed his relationship with Rachel to Boro during the first time he met him on the train that was headed toward Train City, he just freaking met him and just spouted everything, I doubt he will hide anything from his friends, especially Koon. I'd like to see how Koon react to it though, especially knowing how dirty the 10th families and Zahard are, and how complicated Baam's origin is.
 

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He revealed his relationship with Rachel to Boro during the first time he met him on the train that was headed toward Train City, he just freaking met him and just spouted everything, I doubt he will hide anything from his friends, especially Koon. I'd like to see how Koon react to it though, especially knowing how dirty the 10th families and Zahard are, and how complicated Baam's origin is.
He was more naive back then, and I personally don't think talking about his relationship with Rachel is a big deal, they were friends and she betrayed him, these kind of stories are not uncommon in the Tower. Baam's origins are far more important than that, and plenty of characters have secrets they keep to themselves(Baam doesn't know much about Koon's past and his relationship with Maria, Androssi hides her real name for some reason etc.). I think at least Koon and Rak will learn about it but I am not sure he will tell them everything. And I don't think it would be with to reveal all of this to Yuri and Evan.
 

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So after seeing Yuri and Baam's reunion I realized he has a few friends from each of the 10 families. I predict when he faces Jahad he will have a close friend from every family. So far:

Koon: Blue turtle (Aguero)
Yeon: Yihwa
Ha: Yuri
Lo Po Bia: Elaine
Arie: Vicente??

So that leaves 5 or 7 to go depending on your outlook.

I believe Baam represents one (either V or Arlene Grace) and maybe Rachel represents Arlene if Baam represents V.

This means that Baam still needs to make friends with:

Ari, Po Bidau, Eurasia, Hendo Lok, Tu Perie

The 13th family as I understand it is Jahad.... but as far as I understand it there are no offspring there but perhaps Wangnan fits the bill.

What do you guys think?
 

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I agree with the general sentiment, but I doubt it will be only one member of each family. Baam will have many followers from the 10 Great Families in the future. Even today you can kinda count in:
  • Koon Family: Aguero, Ran
  • Ha Family: Yuri, Novick (Branch Family)
  • Eurasia Family: Laure (Branch Family)
  • Yeon Family: Yihwa
  • Lo Bo Bia: Elaine

Possible future additions may be:
  • Arie Family: Vicente
  • Koon Family: Maria Zahard
  • Ha Family: Jinsung
  • Lo Bo Bia: Alphine

Furthermore, Baam will most likely have a success rate of 98% to turn every single Zahard Princess from the 10 Great Families against the Zahard empire.
 

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Oh shoot I forgot about Laure, but that's exactly what he wants :derp

Yes you may be right that he will gather good will within all the families. I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of people that will climb the tower with him. Perhaps that means all the rankers are out. If that's the case then I propose that:

Yura Ha will join Baam
 

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I am not sure about that. I doubt there will be a typical clash of Team Baam VS Team Zahard in the first place, and adding too much members of the 10 Families like that in his team might affect the core cast. Not only are the 10 Warriors immortal, they are also exceptionally powerful. Among High Rankers born in the Tower, I think only Enne and Adori have been said to be able to match them.

How many among Baam's companions have the potential to beat such fighters? That sounds very hard, even including possible new characters from these families. With the Koon Family things could be more straightforward though, we know A.A. is trying to become the head and you can get what you want from a fight, Baam will certainly surpass Eduan in the future, and from what we know he could beat him in this game and choose A.A. as the next head, but I doubt Aguero would be fine with it, as pragmatic as he is. But as of now I doubt Koon can become strong enough to surpass Eduan, that's where Ran has a role to play, with what A.A. said about he being the most gifted of the Koon Family, it's possible he might surpass Eduan in the future, beating Maschenny is one of his goals too. I am expecting Eduan VS A.A and Ran or a battle between Eduan & Maschenny VS A.A & Ran.
 

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Yes you may be right that he will gather good will within all the families. I guess I'm thinking more along the lines of people that will climb the tower with him. Perhaps that means all the rankers are out. If that's the case then I propose that:
I don't think Baam will ever have a fix team with whom he will climb the Tower. Not to mention that the cast would be too vast, if you let Baam climb the Tower with a dozen of characters from the 10 Great Families.

I am not sure about that. I doubt there will be a typical clash of Team Baam VS Team Zahard in the first place, and adding too much members of the 10 Families like that in his team might affect the core cast. Not only are the 10 Warriors immortal, they are also exceptionally powerful. Among High Rankers born in the Tower, I think only Enne and Adori have been said to be able to match them.

How many among Baam's companions have the potential to beat such fighters? That sounds very hard, even including possible new characters from these families. With the Koon Family things could be more straightforward though, we know A.A. is trying to become the head and you can get what you want from a fight, Baam will certainly surpass Eduan in the future, and from what we know he could beat him in this game and choose A.A. as the next head, but I doubt Aguero would be fine with it, as pragmatic as he is. But as of now I doubt Koon can become strong enough to surpass Eduan, that's where Ran has a role to play, with what A.A. said about he being the most gifted of the Koon Family, it's possible he might surpass Eduan in the future, beating Maschenny is one of his goals too. I am expecting Eduan VS A.A and Ran or a battle between Eduan & Maschenny VS A.A & Ran.
I also want to note that SIU once made a statement that the 10 Great Warriros are not only immortal, but also invincible. If that is the case, there is no Regular who can kill Zahard or one of the family heads without a huge breaking-the-laws-of-the-tower power up. So, even if Aguero and Ran become better and "stronger" fighters than Eduan, they wouldn't have the means to finish him off.
 

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Well, it is kinda questionable how help bam will actually need when it comes to facing zahard. By that point he will have to rank very highly and we know how much of a difference there can be between ranks. I mean, urek's 1% is more than powerful rankers. For all we know his 1% is more than what several high rankers have. In other words, by the the bam can face jahad the bulk of his army will be useless against him. For this to make sense bam would have to fight zahard before reaching his potential which seems kinda unjustified so far. And even then, we also have to consider that him getting help is a weird scenario anyways. It's not just zahard that is immortal but also the 10 family heads. Even 10 people from the 10 families couldn't overcome that... Realistically speaking even rachel would be more useful.
 

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I started re-reading the manwah and realized that this would parallel Jahad climbing with the other 12 families. I guess it could mean facing Jahad together or something else (you can't possibly think Baam can get into Jahad's palace/castle alone do you?)

And if it's not related to that then what about the crazy notion that they will all pass the test their ancestors couldn't and climb to the 135th floor?

I don't think this group will be assembled until the end, and perhaps just by "chance," as SIU is really good at making multiple plot threads and weaving a beautiful tapestry of a story.
 

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I was thinking about Baam's (and everyone else's) usage of shinsu on the FOD. We know that Baam made a contract with the Guardian on the 2nd floor and was told that the contract was shackles rather than freedom. The first question I have is: was that message given to everyone (meaning to Regulars) or just to irregulars like Baam? I'm not sure how to interpret that line.

Also, since the time Baam left that floor do you think he's been making contracts with the Guardians (administrators) on all the floors he has climbed? Is that a prerequisite to taking a test on a floor?

If he were to make a contract with an admin would he be forbidden from using his new Void Sphere attack? I guess the answer to that depends on whether a contract with an Administrator would prevent the thorn from working.

My initial interpretation of the meeting with Baam and the GoG was that he was teaching Baam how to manipulate the shinsu on his own without a contract, which would imply Baam has always had one up to this point.

I also have a crazy idea, what if Baam's making contracts with Administrators exposed him to their power and he has been absorbing aspects of that all this time?

Thoughts?
 

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I was thinking about Baam's (and everyone else's) usage of shinsu on the FOD. We know that Baam made a contract with the Guardian on the 2nd floor and was told that the contract was shackles rather than freedom. The first question I have is: was that message given to everyone (meaning to Regulars) or just to irregulars like Baam? I'm not sure how to interpret that line.
We don't know, but if I had to assume, I would say that this message was given only to Baam and possibly Rachel for several reasons.

First off, when Baam met the Administrator of the 2nd floor, the Administrator noticed something about Baam after he checked if he is qualified to control Shinsoo. I think the Administrator realized that Baam is an Irregular.

Second, the Administrator said that for Baam, this contract is not a strength, but rather shackles. This sentence makes sense in the context of Baam being an Irregular. For normal Regulars, this sentence wouldn't make sense. Regulars can't control Shinsoo without a contract. In case of Regulars, Shinsoo controlling contracts means strength. For Irregulars, these conracts may limit them their entire lifetime.

Also, since the time Baam left that floor do you think he's been making contracts with the Guardians (administrators) on all the floors he has climbed? Is that a prerequisite to taking a test on a floor?
With an E-Rank Pocket, you are able to make a Shinsoo contract with the Administrators from the 2nd to the 40th floor. Regulars have to make a Shinsoo contract on each floor and they further need a higher ranked Pocket after the 40th floor. Baam's case is obviously different. In theory, an Irregular doesn't need a contract. But if you are too "weak", "inexperienced/unskilled" or "untalented", a contract may be inevitable. I think Baam still makes contracts with Administrators though. I guess, SIU would have let us known, if this wasn't the case. On the other hand, there was no perfect time, where Baam could have told anyone that he doesn't rely on those contracts anymore. So, anything is possible in Baam's case.

If he were to make a contract with an admin would he be forbidden from using his new Void Sphere attack? I guess the answer to that depends on whether a contract with an Administrator would prevent the thorn from working.
The Void Sphere? Are you talking about the technique which the God of Guardians taught him? I don't know why it should be forbidden though. It's a Shinsoo technique after all, not a spell. By the way, I doubt an Administrator would (and could) prevent the Thorn from working. Baam has used it on different floors for quite some time now, and no Test Administrator, no Ruler and no Floor Administrator had an issue with it so far.

My initial interpretation of the meeting with Baam and the GoG was that he was teaching Baam how to manipulate the shinsu on his own without a contract, which would imply Baam has always had one up to this point.
I think so, too.
 

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It was a shackle to Baam, since he is an irregular he didn't need a Shinsoo usage contract. I don't believe he made another contract since it would be useless.

For Shinwonryu, I assume there are some Regulars who might be able to use it, Thor said most Regulars can't use it but never that it was exclusive to Irregulars.

From what I remember of the contract, I don't think he could have absorbed anything.
 

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We don't know, but if I had to assume, I would say that this message was given only to Baam and possibly Rachel for several reasons.

First off, when Baam met the Administrator of the 2nd floor, the Administrator noticed something about Baam after he checked if he is qualified to control Shinsoo. I think the Administrator realized that Baam is an Irregular.

Second, the Administrator said that for Baam, this contract is not a strength, but rather shackles. This sentence makes sense in the context of Baam being an Irregular. For normal Regulars, this sentence wouldn't make sense. Regulars can't control Shinsoo without a contract. In case of Regulars, Shinsoo controlling contracts means strength. For Irregulars, these conracts may limit them their entire lifetime.


With an E-Rank Pocket, you are able to make a Shinsoo contract with the Administrators from the 2nd to the 40th floor. Regulars have to make a Shinsoo contract on each floor and they further need a higher ranked Pocket after the 40th floor. Baam's case is obviously different. In theory, an Irregular doesn't need a contract. But if you are too "weak", "inexperienced/unskilled" or "untalented", a contract may be inevitable. I think Baam still makes contracts with Administrators though. I guess, SIU would have let us known, if this wasn't the case. On the other hand, there was no perfect time, where Baam could have told anyone that he doesn't rely on those contracts anymore. So, anything is possible in Baam's case.


The Void Sphere? Are you talking about the technique which the God of Guardians taught him? I don't know why it should be forbidden though. It's a Shinsoo technique after all, not a spell. By the way, I doubt an Administrator would (and could) prevent the Thorn from working. Baam has used it on different floors for quite some time now, and no Test Administrator, no Ruler and no Floor Administrator had an issue with it so far.


I think so, too.
I can imagine the administrator telling rachel she looks gross, evil and rotten. It seems to be a thing nowadays....

I am not entirely sure this would be shackles only for baam. They all sign "contracts" with administrators. We can't really rule out guardians getting something out of this.

Odds are that baam didn't even know he didn't need a contract. If he makes the contract every time he arrives at a new floor at least. If baam was a bit more lenient then perhaps he noticed it did not affect his performance. On the other hand I can't imagine an irregular needing a contract to make up for his strength. The basic contracts merely involve permission to use shinsoo, they do not make the user stronger. Unless going higher up the tower means you are allowed to use more shinsoo but that is not something that would be relevant to baam.
 

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I can imagine the administrator telling rachel she looks gross, evil and rotten. It seems to be a thing nowadays....

I am not entirely sure this would be shackles only for baam. They all sign "contracts" with administrators. We can't really rule out guardians getting something out of this.

Odds are that baam didn't even know he didn't need a contract. If he makes the contract every time he arrives at a new floor at least. If baam was a bit more lenient then perhaps he noticed it did not affect his performance. On the other hand I can't imagine an irregular needing a contract to make up for his strength. The basic contracts merely involve permission to use shinsoo, they do not make the user stronger. Unless going higher up the tower means you are allowed to use more shinsoo but that is not something that would be relevant to baam.
He didn't know. That was the first lesson of the Wave Controller class.
 

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We don't know, but if I had to assume, I would say that this message was given only to Baam and possibly Rachel for several reasons.

First off, when Baam met the Administrator of the 2nd floor, the Administrator noticed something about Baam after he checked if he is qualified to control Shinsoo. I think the Administrator realized that Baam is an Irregular.

Second, the Administrator said that for Baam, this contract is not a strength, but rather shackles. This sentence makes sense in the context of Baam being an Irregular. For normal Regulars, this sentence wouldn't make sense. Regulars can't control Shinsoo without a contract. In case of Regulars, Shinsoo controlling contracts means strength. For Irregulars, these conracts may limit them their entire lifetime.


With an E-Rank Pocket, you are able to make a Shinsoo contract with the Administrators from the 2nd to the 40th floor. Regulars have to make a Shinsoo contract on each floor and they further need a higher ranked Pocket after the 40th floor. Baam's case is obviously different. In theory, an Irregular doesn't need a contract. But if you are too "weak", "inexperienced/unskilled" or "untalented", a contract may be inevitable. I think Baam still makes contracts with Administrators though. I guess, SIU would have let us known, if this wasn't the case. On the other hand, there was no perfect time, where Baam could have told anyone that he doesn't rely on those contracts anymore. So, anything is possible in Baam's case.


The Void Sphere? Are you talking about the technique which the God of Guardians taught him? I don't know why it should be forbidden though. It's a Shinsoo technique after all, not a spell. By the way, I doubt an Administrator would (and could) prevent the Thorn from working. Baam has used it on different floors for quite some time now, and no Test Administrator, no Ruler and no Floor Administrator had an issue with it so far.


I think so, too.
Yes I meant Black Hole Sphere, although there is a ton of dispute about that translation. I'm guessing the GoG is restricted to using it in the Rice Pot because that's the agreement made between the GoG and... whoever governs the train. Outside the train it seems the GoG is restricted like any other Regular/Ranker based on his scoff at Baam actually thinking he's a god.

Since we know based on Urek's comment that the 10 Great leaders used the same power it means either they can use it without contracts, as irregulars, or their contracts allow its use. I'm guessing the former but it's pretty puzzling that Urek was unable to learn it or was never given the opportunity. My best guess to that answer is that the GoG was reluctant to teach it to Baam at first so maybe he saw something in Urek he didn't like.

He didn't know. That was the first lesson of the Wave Controller class.
Yes that's exactly correct and this is the only contract we've seen Baam make. My point about the rubbing off of admin powers is just that anytime Baam interacts with someone's abilities he seems to be able to copy it pretty well and a contract with a Guardian seems to connect the Regular to the Guardian. It's a wild idea and probably bunk but I wanted to put it out there anyway.

I hope Baam has to talk to another Guardian in the future so we can settle some of these questions.
 

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I can imagine the administrator telling rachel she looks gross, evil and rotten. It seems to be a thing nowadays....
True, lol. :lmao

I am not entirely sure this would be shackles only for baam. They all sign "contracts" with administrators. We can't really rule out guardians getting something out of this.
Even if the Administrators get something out of the contracts, which isn't far-fetched since contracts usually go two-way, the fact remains that Regulars can't control Shinsoo without that contract, and without it their chances to climb the Tower are probably non-existent unless they have the phyical nature of Urek for example. Literally speaking, these contracts are probably also shackles for the Regulars, but seeing that we weren't told of any crucial drawbacks and considering that making contracts is seen as normal, the point can be made that the advantages outweigh the disadvantages for Regulars.

Odds are that baam didn't even know he didn't need a contract. If he makes the contract every time he arrives at a new floor at least. If baam was a bit more lenient then perhaps he noticed it did not affect his performance. On the other hand I can't imagine an irregular needing a contract to make up for his strength. The basic contracts merely involve permission to use shinsoo, they do not make the user stronger. Unless going higher up the tower means you are allowed to use more shinsoo but that is not something that would be relevant to baam.
In Baam's case you are right, but in the case of Regulars the contract indeed makes them stronger if you think outside the box. As you said, the Regulars just gain access to control Shinsoo, they don't get an actual power up. But even that access can and should be seen as a power up. You have to be one hell of an underwhelming individual, if you can't make something out of that access.
 

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He didn't know. That was the first lesson of the Wave Controller class.
That's not what I meant. Yes, first thing he learned is how to make contracts. But my point was about him not knowing he didn't need a contract. Perhaps even until this floor.
 

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That's not what I meant. Yes, first thing he learned is how to make contracts. But my point was about him not knowing he didn't need a contract. Perhaps even until this floor.
That's true. As readers we know that Baam used shinsu without permission against Hwa Ryun and the rankers on that floor knew, but that doesn't mean they told Baam about it. I would think this is something FUG would have told Baam about if he was gonna be told by anyone. Otherwise it would have to be the GoG or Urek that tells him.
 

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As we know Baam and his friends are currently on the Hidden Floor which means that they can meet anyone that has gone through this floor because it is said in the Manhwa that the floor saves the data of those who enter. Furthermore, we know that the 10 Great warriors were the first ones to clear the Tower to floor 134th and 2 of them were Baams mother (Arlene Grace) and V. Is it possible that the data of them is on the hidden floor? It was said that Zahard and the other leaders erased everything about Arlene and V but does it also include the data of them on the Hidden Floor? If you think about the current arc we are on and how much was said about Baam it wouldn’t be wrong for him to meet his parents right now..actually it would be perfect right now..
 
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