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[Axiomus]

I don't know why they made that version (maybe Hiro said it himself), but original manga (raw) has it
アクノロギア「完全なる滅竜まであと7人」
And it's absolutely not a "7 left until he wipes all traces of the dragons from this world".

Actually, Acnologia is saying that. If you translate this word for word it says, "Completeness of the destroying dragon will be after 7 people". It literally means "7 people until the complete destruction of dragons" in English. Crunchyroll would be forgiven for their translation, as it basically means the same thing.

完全 (kan-zen) = Complete
なる (naru) = are going
滅竜 (Metsu-ryu) = destroying dragon (dragon slaying)
まで (ma-te) = Until
あと (a-to) = After
7人 (nana-rin)= 7 people

I imagine the reason you're bringing this up is because Google translate says "7 more until I become the perfect dark dragon". The translation error is because its translating 滅竜 (metsu-ryu) as "dark dragon". The literal translation of 滅 (metsu) is destruction, and Google translate is associating that as a synonym for "dark". The correct translation of 滅竜 is actually "destroying dragon". You'll notice it's the same characters as in 滅竜魔法 (metsu-ryu maho), or "Dragon Slaying Magic".

Dead ppl don't travel in past time, lol. So didn't you that what kind of absurd for Acno allow one dragon (DS) be alive if he so hard want to slay 'em all ?
I don't even say about current time ? Wendy, Natsu - why they are alive? Acno so slowpoke ?

Acnologia's goal of slaying the dragons slayers is a recent one. That's why Natsu and Wendy are still alive. In fact, Acnologia might not have even know about the Dragon Slayers until he met up with Igneel. Evidently, Acnologia didn't manage to kill Rogue, but that can be for a number of reasons - including not being bothered with it.

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The guy made sure that dragons were eliminated from the world. Obviously he is not the carefree happy-go-lucky squatter in the street-corner.
Hasn't he expressly said that he will be the Dragon King. The way he kills Serena and then says "7 left" it shows a lot of intensity. And he was ruling the world in in the alternate future. that's why ROgue gathered the dragons, to defeat him.

That was 400 years ago. Acnologia really doesn't like the dragons, so he had motivation to act. However, his actions for the next 400 years have largely been...well, he's only showed up like 2 times.

 

[reesestl]

I don't know why they made that version (maybe Hiro said it himself), but original manga (raw) has it
アクノロギア「完全なる滅竜まであと7人」
And it's absolutely not a "7 left until he wipes all traces of the dragons from this world".




Dead ppl don't travel in past time, lol. So didn't you that what kind of absurd for Acno allow one dragon (DS) be alive if he so hard want to slay 'em all ?
I don't even say about current time ? Wendy, Natsu - why they are alive? Acno so slowpoke ?

Hey, where do you get the raw version?

 

[Axiomus]

Hey, where do you get the raw version?

There's no raw of chapter 470 that I can find, but you can get the transcripts off the spoilers. Check around in this thread: https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/fairy-tail-470-discussion-471-predictions.3002782/

If you want a site with the raws, I'll PM you the link.

 

[Kiki]

TheFairyTales on tumblr is so far the most prominent translator, and she supports crunchyroll's translations over mangapanda and mangasteam's because they tend to have less translation errors.

I know her but alas her ask box is closed. Maybe next time she re-opens it I will ask her about this number "7"

 

[reesestl]

Acnologia's goal of slaying the dragons slayers is a recent one. That's why Natsu and Wendy are still alive. In fact, Acnologia might not have even know about the Dragon Slayers until he met up with Igneel. Evidently, Acnologia didn't manage to kill Rogue, but that can be for a number of reasons - including not being bothered with it.

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That was 400 years ago. Acnologia really doesn't like the dragons, so he had motivation to act. However, his actions for the next 400 years have largely been...well, he's only showed up like 2 times.

these intermediate 400 yrs were like the silent period where nothing happened. I get a feeling, as if he waiting for something, waiting for this time period. Maybe he had somehow found out about the Dragons' move to the future.

Goal of slaying dragons and DSs are the same as DSs became dragons. The difference emerged only recently after Igneel and others stayed inside the DSs. Again, I think he has a problem with dragons and advanced Dragon Slayers...doesn't care about small fry.

 

[Verter]

Just remark, It doesn't correspond in that case with "7", If he didn't follow for small fries (as it most likely is), he shouldn't count these small fries.

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Actually, Acnologia is saying that. If you translate this word for word it says, "Completeness of the destroying dragon will be after 7 people". It literally means "7 people until the complete destruction of dragons" in English. Crunchyroll would be forgiven for their translation, as it basically means the same thing.

I do not know Japanese on that level, so about google it's partly true.
Other part - "7 (human beings) for complete dragon slayer" is not "7 left until he wipes all traces of the dragons from this world". It's for sure.

Acnologia's goal of slaying the dragons slayers is a recent one. That's why Natsu and Wendy are still alive. In fact, Acnologia might not have even know about the Dragon Slayers until he met up with Igneel. Evidently, Acnologia didn't manage to kill Rogue, but that can be for a number of reasons - including not being bothered with it.

One of your suggestion in contradiction with another.

If Acno didn't know about DS 'till Tartarus final battle - how he will know about Cobra, so he's able to count him too ?
Coz w.o. Cobra will only 6.

If Acno feel their presence (include Cobra), why he didn't attack ?

If he don't care about small fries like them, why he said "only 7 remains (DS in that theory)" ? It's illogical with that statement to allow some from these 7 be alive.

 

[Axiomus]

Just remark, It doesn't correspond in that case with "7", If he didn't follow for small fries (as it most likely is), he shouldn't count these small fries.

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I do not know Japanese on that level, so about google it's partly true.
Other part - "7 (human beings) for complete dragon slayer" is not "7 left until he wipes all traces of the dragons from this world". It's for sure.



One of your suggestion in contradiction with another.

If Acno didn't know about DS 'till Tartarus final battle - how he will know about Cobra, so he's able to count him too ?
Coz w.o. Cobra will only 6.

If Acno feel their presence (include Cobra), why he didn't attack ?

If he don't care about small fries like them, why he said "only 7 remains (DS in that theory)" ? It's illogical with that statement to allow some from these 7 be alive.

Acnologia isn't saying "7 people until the complete dragon slayer". He's saying "7 people until the complete destruction of dragons". Sure, "all traces are wiped from this world" isn't the exact wording, but it gets the meaning across.

滅竜 (metsu-ryu) on it's own only means "destroying dragon". To say Dragon Slayer, as in the mage, you would say 滅竜魔道士 (metsu-ryu madoshi), where the 魔道士 (madoshi) means magical scholar. Otherwise, you would just be saying "destroying dragon". In the manga, they usually just used the romanized ドラゴンスレイヤー (doragon slay-ah).

They don't have to. My suggestion was that Acnologia thought the Dragons were extinct until he came across Igneel, who revealed that they trained dragon slayers. After that, Acnologia started paying more attention and sensed 8 dragon slayers on the continent. Before, he wasn't really paying attention. Acnologia isn't omniscient. If he wasn't paying attention, he wasn't paying attention.

 

[reesestl]

Just remark, It doesn't correspond in that case with "7", If he didn't follow for small fries (as it most likely is), he shouldn't count these small fries.

Yes, he didn't give a damn about them. WHen he attacked Tenrou, he was not responding to humans. Zeref said its not responding nobody holds a conversation with vermin. Maybe during Tartaros Arc they got his attention.
ANd he still is not killing the small fries. They are not hiding anywhere. He can kill them any time he wants. But he isn't. I feel it only attacks when it will magic of very high level from a DS. that's why he attacked Serena. He may have come to tenrou because Zeref's death magic had been activated after a very long time and he sensed it.

Zeref said maybe Acnologia is just looking for good fight. If that is true, he maybe waiting for the DSs to be strong enough.

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My suggestion was that Acnologia thought the Dragons were extinct until he came across Igneel, who revealed that they trained dragon slayers. After that, Acnologia started paying more attention and sensed 8 dragon slayers on the continent. Before, he wasn't really paying attention. Acnologia isn't omniscient. If he wasn't paying attention, he wasn't paying attention.

But he came across the DSs in Tenrou. SO he must have known before the fight with Igneel.

 

[Axiomus]

But he came across the DSs in Tenrou. SO he must have known before the fight with Igneel.

Only if he recognized their magic, and was paying attention. The guy had like 20 people trying to hit him at once.

 

[reesestl]

Only if he recognized their magic, and was paying attention. The guy had like 20 people trying to hit him at once.

Or maybe it was just too weak for him to even recognise.

One shortcoming of FT is it does not explain what is the difference b/w different forms of magic. FOr instance, we had a detailed theory in case of Naruto. If all magic is basically ethernano, then why won't a strong non-DS magic work on a dragon.

 

[Kiki]

I think Acno didn't know that there were dragons hiding inside the DSs. If he knew, so what was their purpose of hiding inside 5 DSs' body and traveling to the future then? The possibility why Acno attacked Sirius Island was because just like what I guessed before: there was a huge ethernano clash in the island.

 

[reesestl]

I think Acno didn't know that there were dragons hiding inside the DSs. If he knew, so what was their purpose of hiding inside 5 DSs' body and traveling to the future then? The possibility why Acno attacked Sirius Island was because just like what I guessed before: there was a huge ethernano clash in the island.

Not sure what you mean. They were producing the antobodies to prevent the DSs from turning into dragons

 

[Kiki]

Not sure what you mean. They were producing the antobodies to prevent the DSs from turning into dragons

That's one of Zeref, Anna, Layla, and the 5 dragons' purposes to defeat Acnologia

 

[GaLeFTFL]

Who thinks that someone in fairy tail is related to someone else? Excluding Erza and Natsu. (For reasons)
I think Gajeel and Acnologia are related.

 

[Takuan]

It is very possible that Gajeel and Acnologia are related, due to their physical similarity.

Spoiler: Acno - Gajeel

What is their possible relation though, that's a mystery for me. Brothers? That would be redundant... BBut they sure look like twins, clones even.

 

[GaLeFTFL]

I HAVE SEEN THAT SAME PICTURE! their both dragon slayers so yeah the first dragonslayer siblings that could actually be related

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It is very possible that Gajeel and Acnologia are related, due to their physical similarity.

Spoiler: Acno - Gajeel

What is their possible relation though, that's a mystery for me. Brothers? That would be redundant... BBut they sure look like twins, clones even.

Do you think its weird that people think Natsu and Acnologia look similar? i don't see any possible features that makes them look similar

 

[GamerSkull]

I still believe Zeref knows more about the other dragonslayers besides Natsu. There's something in Gajeel, Wendy, Sting, and Rogue's background that we don't know yet and I think we'll have some sort of answer once Natsu reaches the end of his excursion within his subconscious.

It's possible Zeref may have had a hand in something that happened in the past for those four slayers too and there was the same number of pods in the chamber in which we saw Natsu being stored in during Chapter 436, which I was reminded of this while viewing another thread and totally forgot up until this point.

 

[Brandish μ]

Well last chapter gave a lot of information (been discussed heaps in the ch thread, but I'll just make a post outside of it).

Irene was the first one to make the suggestion of dragons giving humans power. She received this power from Belserion. These were the first dragon slayers, and they changed the tide of the war.

2 repercussions of DSM are rampaging anger, and vestibular problems. But it seems all slayers have the dragon seed grow inside them, which turns them into dragons eventually (not in CR it doesn't say irreversible, but the wording implies it). These arose because dragon power is too much for a human.

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It seems like this first wave of DSM via dragons giving their power was too fast too strong.

I speculate that in order to remedy this, Belserion/Irene/others tried found a way to lessen the strain.

We at the very least know they got to a point where antibodies could combat the dragonising process. We know Acnologia's transformation is reversible. So there are ways around this. And we've had all 5 1st/3rd gen DS' go Dragon Force, where they took on scales - and they didn't last. "Dragon Force" isn't something new either, Mard Geer knew what it was.

Laxus and Cobra also dragonised, so the lacrima can reverse dragonisation.

It can be argued that Acnologia is the only one who truly dragonises, while the others are partially transformed and dragon force is different to dragonising. I can accept that, though DF being a step in the process of dragonisation makes more sense to me.

 

[T.C.]

We at the very least know they got to a point where antibodies could combat the dragonising process. We know Acnologia's transformation is reversible. So there are ways around this. And we've had all 5 1st/3rd gen DS' go Dragon Force, where they took on scales - and they didn't last. "Dragon Force" isn't something new either, Mard Geer knew what it was.

Laxus and Cobra also dragonised, so the lacrima can reverse dragonisation.

It can be argued that Acnologia is the only one who truly dragonises, while the others are partially transformed and dragon force is different to dragonising. I can accept that, though DF being a step in the process of dragonisation makes more sense to me.

I guess its like this (speculation)

Dragonification=forcefully/unpurposefully turning into a dragon. Irreversible (losing control over DS magic)
Dragon Force=turning into a dragon but having complete control over it. The stronger it is, the more you transform. Reversible

Acnologia transforming into a dragon and back could be Dragon Force at the highest level possible. Igneel and the other parent dragons stopped the dragonification but maybe Natsu and co can still transform into dragons via Dragon Force.

 

[Doughboy]

I'm just glad Laxus and Cobra were relevant in the discussion, that gives hope to they'll take part in the other 5 dragon slayers future battle against Acnologia. This chapter made Acnologia's goals more interesting too and how he's above the norm of a dragon slayer, be able to shapeshift between human and dragon. Last, Irene's ds magic be prevalent to me in her finding of Zeref, especially if she learned if from Belserion. He's the "Sage Dragon" and sage is always intended to be some who is adept or wise with knowledge. Sage Dragon Slayer Magic sounds something handy. Just saying