On Break One Piece Chapter 1194 Discussion

[JStackz26]

If there was ever an arc of a Sanji Ivankov time skip flashback and conqueror's Haki stuff it would be now. This is literally Ivankov's direct enemy Sanji is facing, with Ivankov bring a founding commander of the revolutionaries and even having briefly fought Magellan who took down Blackbeard and his whole crew as well as Akainu briefly (unless that is anime only).

But this was a nice chapter even though it was a Zoro chapter and I detest the bias seeming Zoro Sanji writing. Sanji and Zoro and Luffy are the same when you compare Zoro and Sanji and Luffy both being weaklings to their peers (Ace, Sabo, Kuina, Germa kids). Nothing wrong with writing them similar even if Sanji does not have a renown dream as far as we know. He's heavily rooted in the Underworld by background and linked indirectly to taboo death worthy matter in lineage factor which also relates to devil fruits.

 

[AmyRose]

Oh...im goin to miss him a lot,,if he dies or somehow is taken out of the story,,even when he totally deserve it-- he have proven to be absolutly charming and EVEN MORE FUNNY than ANY TOON SHIT GIMMICK LUFFY CAN MAKE IN G5--- just look at his face in the very very last panel.. hahaha

I won't miss him. If he dies one way or another I'll be able to just forget him and make space for characters I actually like. He's just trash and no matter how funny he seem (espesially in his misery) he belongs to garbage can.

 

[ViscountVivaciousVirtuoso]

A bit disappointing since this reveals Oda left out too much the haki development and then has to retcon introduce it.

 

[Federicoxxx]

A bit disappointing since this reveals Oda left out too much the haki development and then has to retcon introduce it.

Welp..it kinda would explain how the hell Roger and many of his generation were so freaking badass without Devil Fruits.. tough Roger's DID HAVE a Badass Sword as an addon "Ace" ...but leaving that aside, he was mostly thanks to his Conquerors, same for Gaban and Rayleight..

So yeah if the Haki is iNSANE. it can beat Anyyyy devil fruit shit... even goin as far to De-transform someone ... like what happened with JB's Haki and the Goros..

But need to be "ThE HAKI" Jb level one... a lame version wont work... for people with the level of Power close to Imu's or the Goros..

 

[kkck]

Huh, i didn't notice it before but in this chapter it's zoros practice shots that were failing. Whereas the times he meant to cut something like the vines his attacks were imbued with conquerors haki. Sommers also seens to be implying that its conqueror haki that allows him to so easily cut the vines.

I wonder if the implication in this chapter is also that a conqueror could lose his conqueror haki. If his sense of self is trashed....

 

[Federicoxxx]

Huh, i didn't notice it before but in this chapter it's zoros practice shots that were failing. Whereas the times he meant to cut something like the vines his attacks were imbued with conquerors haki. Sommers also seens to be implying that its conqueror haki that allows him to so easily cut the vines.

I wonder if the implication in this chapter is also that a conqueror could lose his conqueror haki. If his sense of self is trashed....

It probably does..seems to be tied to a very specific mental state .. it iss soo specific, that Makes Zoro's totally inconsistent With it...

The problem is not knowing about even having the power.. thats why at times cut the vines and at key moments like heart stabbing he wont..

Same for when he did the lightning haki Cut, he even said he didnt do nothing different,.. i think he need to pinpoint the exact will and Motive for pull it off..

Mastering it , means to know yourself at 100%..
if not it will be inconsistent and random...

thats why IT CANt be Teached...not to mention you need to born with it first..

 

[wing_gundam]

It probably does..seems to be tied to a very specific mental state .. it iss soo specific, that Makes Zoro's totally inconsistent With it...

The problem is not knowing about even having the power.. thats why at times cut the vines and at key moments like heart stabbing he wont..

Same for when he did the lightning haki Cut, he even said he didnt do nothing different,.. i think he need to pinpoint the exact will and Motive for pull it off..

Mastering it , means to know yourself at 100%..
if not it will be inconsistent and random...

thats why IT CANt be Teached...not to mention you need to born with it first..

I semi-forgot that Gaban also just had the same fight with Sommers and chopped him up some 50 chapters ago with Coc attacks until I saw the anime. He should have killed Sommers. I'm really annoyed we're trying the same thing expecting different results.

 

[korwinkrulpolski]

There is no indication that Gaban knew about the mechanical heart. He only knew that if you use conquerors, that would make regeneration harder for HK's.

 

[Federicoxxx]

I semi-forgot that Gaban also just had the same fight with Sommers and chopped him up some 50 chapters ago with Coc attacks until I saw the anime. He should have killed Sommers. I'm really annoyed we're trying the same thing expecting different results.

It was good.. in the sense of slowing down the regen...not good enough for kill..

Also maybe cause it didnt aimed exactly into the steel heart... maybe cause Gaban's never saw one.. and Zoro's is maybe the first one in doing it.. thanks to Luffy who rip him to pieces..

I dont remenber gaban mentioned they actually killed Gks when they came for Baby Shanks..

they probably got sliced so bad..they were unable to function, but even then they didnt found out about "Steel hearts"

with i presume it appears automatically in all the Tier 2 and Up Gks, and is the key 2 infinite regen.

 

[kkck]

Tbh i am open to conqueror haki not being something you are born with. Rather people being born with it is a misconception over it's rarity and the fact that lore wise it makes sense it can't be taught.

 

[Federicoxxx]

Tbh i am open to conqueror haki not being something you are born with. Rather people being born with it is a misconception over it's rarity and the fact that lore wise it makes sense it can't be taught.

At least we know.. it cant be acquired trought training.. is a King quality.. your indomitable strong will Crushing and pushing down Weaker Ones..

If you can coat that into an attack, and your Will is strong and Focused enought into a point.. you can beat your enemy Physically and Mentally, crushing it 100% Bypassing any cheat defense, no matter how rare coming from a D.F could be..

It is applied to real Life.. you can have the most deadly and profesional UFC fighter ever... if you make him fight the day his whole family got horrible killed in a traffic accident.. his mind definitly wont be on the fight.. and he might lose, no matter how strong and professional he might be..

Now look at the Sommer's mental state vs Zoro's one... the only thing that is keeping Sommer's alive is just that Zoro's haven't focused his full will into his attacks yet..

Even tought in the very last panel it seems he did..

And Sommer's defense are not even tied to his will to begin it.. is a crappy cheating added perk by Imu's..

If the next attack lands right into Sommer's steel heart..it might be over for him.

 

[FetherMan]

Next chapter, flash back, build up to Zoro defeating Sommers. Afterwards, a week break, color page for chapter 1195 and story shifts to Sanji's fight with Quinlingham.

I suspect, this will drag out further since Loki's hybrid form was shadowed for a reason.

Imu in a way demonstrated how all 3 forms of Haki work in battle, since he arrived in Elbaf.

 

[Federicoxxx]

Next chapter, flash back, build up to Zoro defeating Sommers. Afterwards, a week break, color page for chapter 1195 and story shifts to Sanji's fight with Quinlingham.

I suspect, this will drag out further since Loki's hybrid form was shadowed for a reason.

Imu in a way demonstrated how all 3 forms of Haki work in battle, since he arrived in Elbaf.

Welp..the guy have 900 years of experience...not to mention a young inmortal Body to make the best use of everething, he is quite the strategist too ,, not leaving behind his pawns, and buffing them non stop , to help him reach his goal.... (and cause it wont be good for him if they died, like Harald Did)

 

[kg21tmac11]

Huh, i didn't notice it before but in this chapter it's zoros practice shots that were failing. Whereas the times he meant to cut something like the vines his attacks were imbued with conquerors haki. Sommers also seens to be implying that its conqueror haki that allows him to so easily cut the vines.

I wonder if the implication in this chapter is also that a conqueror could lose his conqueror haki. If his sense of self is trashed....

I also love Sommers narrating what people think in real life when they read the manga. Thank god he is there to confirm it hahaha

 

[Federicoxxx]

I also love Sommers narrating what people think in real life when they read the manga. Thank god he is there to confirm it hahaha

Yeah he is veeeeryyy aware of Zoro's potential on his "Tought bubbles"... Mihawk was absolutly right.. on him from the first moment they meet...

His Potential and Skills are increidble.. is the kind of people you need to Kill as soon as possible, so they wont keep growing and getting better.. until they reach a point they are able to trash you..

Sadly for Sommer's he cant do that.. his best bet it was.. he could never grasp the full mastery of King Haki...