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Completely random, but as I was watching old episodes, I just realized Robin knows the name of the Ancient Kingdom. She was eavesdropping on that talk Clover has with the Gorosei. Wonder why she's never mentioned it to the crew since it likely relates to Wano/One Piece/etc.
Well, just checked manga ==>https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-395-page-8.html

Because sometimes anime is not cannon. I don't think Robin learned the name of that Ancient Kingdom.
Clover was shot just before saying that name.

Also, in anime, Zeref loses his leg in the accident, in the manga he eats his own leg in order to survive.


Even if Robin knows the name of the Ancient Kingdom. It may mean nothing right now. Like knowing Raftel and still being unable to reach it.
 

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is it possible that Marco's bounty is a pun of some sort? 1.374 seems a bit specific to match something...
 

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Well, just checked manga ==>https://mangasee123.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-395-page-8.html

Because sometimes anime is not cannon. I don't think Robin learned the name of that Ancient Kingdom.
Clover was shot just before saying that name.

Also, in anime, Zeref loses his leg in the accident, in the manga he eats his own leg in order to survive.


Even if Robin knows the name of the Ancient Kingdom. It may mean nothing right now. Like knowing Raftel and still being unable to reach it.
Hm even in manga, I interpret the exclamation bubble as something was said by Clover that we the reader couldn't hear. The shoot him to me seems like a response to what he said.

Well the fact the name of the Kingdom is relevant enough to keep secret from us the reader makes me think it has actual significance in finding OP and getting to Raftel. Otherwise it could be something that was revealed to us like Joy Boy name which doesn't really provide any insight towards the future. Otherwise, why else hide the name?
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Revolutionary army bounties are pretty underwhelming. Maybe this means WG takes pirates that have a chance at getting OP as a much bigger threat than an Organization opposing them directly through force. Must mean whatever is on Raftel is just that damning.

I think Im & Gorosei are about to try repeating whatever WG did during void century now that someone is about to get to OP for sure. Seems implied by how gorosei asked Im who needs to be erased now.
 

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I know those bounties look low when we perceive it as a strength gauge, but any bounty above 100m is a pretty big deal.

Squardo only has a 210m bounty, but mind you, he's been a Pirate that engaged Roger meaning he's been a Pirate for at least, 2 decades. 2 decades and acquired 210m.
Burgess pre-skip only had a 20m bounty which was 4m less than Nami's.

Bounties only go up with known crimes or incidents, so anytime a crime or incident is done and known, x-character will receive a bounty based on their involvement and the scale of the crime or incident. Strength is not as huge a factor, it does factor, but just getting stronger won't garner a bounty increase, a crime or incident will which is why bounties only go up after an arc for the SHs or known crime or incident.

If there's no known crime or incident, there's no bounty increase. Robin's bounty didn't go up for 20 years and Brook's didn't for 50 years.

When we look at a bounty, we should be asking how many incidents and crimes has this person been involved in and over what period of time? Bounties don't increase without a crime/incident which is why Robin's bounty didn't budge for 20 years nor did Brook's for 50 years.

While crimes and incidents are what move bounties, there are different forms of crime. Could be theft, fighting, murder, collateral damage... Robin's went up for reading Poneglyph, Caesar's went up for blowing up a laboratory base and in Dressrosa, Nami and many others got a 50m+ bounty increase simply for being involved in Dressrosa, and not even for fighting or defeating anyone.

The reason bounties look small is because of the Supernova, and mostly Luffy. Luffy within a year acquired a 400m bounty whereas it took Squardo 20+ years to acquire a 210m bounty. Reason being the vast majority of pirates aren't:
  1. Defeating Shichibukai which is taunting the WG's infrastructure.
  2. Breaking into ID.
  3. Punching Celestial Dragons.
The crimes and incidents most pirates partake in are pretty much petty compared to what Luffy does. Higher your bounty, more attention from the WG... as ballsy as Pirates are, Luffy and the Supernova are the craziest, so this is why the Supernova and Super Rookies are feared and pretty big deals even if they just have a 108m bounty like Urouge.

Also, most bounties are accumulated over decades and years.
  • Katakuri's bounty is 1 billion roughly. He's 48, so let's say he's been a Pirate for 30 years. It means on a yearly basis, his bounty only goes up by 33m.
  • Squardo, let's say 20 years, 210m, that's roughly 10m a year.
Most pirates are not like Luffy or the Supernova whose crimes literally change the world dynamics and have global effects. And the big issue is the frequency of their activity, more activity (crimes/incidents) means bounty will go up faster, and the Supernova are constantly headlining crimes and incidents left right and centre.

If you think of Luffy's average bounty increase yearly and we assume he's been a Pirate for 3 years... he averages 500m bounty yearly which is madness. He's only been a Pirate for 2 years, so we're talking a 750m average which is ridiculous.

Kid was actually a Pirate 3 years before Luffy, so his 315m bounty means he averages 100m a year which is pretty significant when you factor in most pirates are averaging 10-30m on the high end.

Hancock acquired an 80m bounty in 1 incident... while it seems low, an 80m bounty right off the bat for 1 crime is incredible, and then she became a Shichibukai because of this incident. Had she not become a Shichibukai, who knows how high are bounty would have gone on to be? She became a Shichibukai at the age of 18 just from 1 incident.

I wouldn't say they have low bounties. What will determine their bounty is:
  • If their crimes are known.
  • The scale of the crimes they commit.
  • The number of crimes.
We don't know these details, so they're not necessarily low.

Bounties all tell different stories regardless of value; 1 person's 400m bounty could be over a 30 year period for 1000s of petty crimes whereas you could have someone with just 3 incidents over a 1 year period with a 400m bounty. The person who acquires a 400m bounty in 1 year.. is far more terrifying than the person who acquires an 400m (or even 800m) bounty over a period of 30 years because it means the person with the 400m bounty in a year is frequently involved in a crime or incident which makes them a threat.

You could have the strongest character in the world with a 0 bounty who just killed a few people and got a 20m bounty and you could get some weakling who destroyed a warship with cannons and earn a 50m bounty.
 

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I know those bounties look low when we perceive it as a strength gauge, but any bounty above 100m is a pretty big deal.

Squardo only has a 210m bounty, but mind you, he's been a Pirate that engaged Roger meaning he's been a Pirate for at least, 2 decades. 2 decades and acquired 210m.
Burgess pre-skip only had a 20m bounty which was 4m less than Nami's.

Bounties only go up with known crimes or incidents, so anytime a crime or incident is done and known, x-character will receive a bounty based on their involvement and the scale of the crime or incident. Strength is not as huge a factor, it does factor, but just getting stronger won't garner a bounty increase, a crime or incident will which is why bounties only go up after an arc for the SHs or known crime or incident.

If there's no known crime or incident, there's no bounty increase. Robin's bounty didn't go up for 20 years and Brook's didn't for 50 years.

When we look at a bounty, we should be asking how many incidents and crimes has this person been involved in and over what period of time? Bounties don't increase without a crime/incident which is why Robin's bounty didn't budge for 20 years nor did Brook's for 50 years.

While crimes and incidents are what move bounties, there are different forms of crime. Could be theft, fighting, murder, collateral damage... Robin's went up for reading Poneglyph, Caesar's went up for blowing up a laboratory base and in Dressrosa, Nami and many others got a 50m+ bounty increase simply for being involved in Dressrosa, and not even for fighting or defeating anyone.

The reason bounties look small is because of the Supernova, and mostly Luffy. Luffy within a year acquired a 400m bounty whereas it took Squardo 20+ years to acquire a 210m bounty. Reason being the vast majority of pirates aren't:
  1. Defeating Shichibukai which is taunting the WG's infrastructure.
  2. Breaking into ID.
  3. Punching Celestial Dragons.
The crimes and incidents most pirates partake in are pretty much petty compared to what Luffy does. Higher your bounty, more attention from the WG... as ballsy as Pirates are, Luffy and the Supernova are the craziest, so this is why the Supernova and Super Rookies are feared and pretty big deals even if they just have a 108m bounty like Urouge.

Also, most bounties are accumulated over decades and years.
  • Katakuri's bounty is 1 billion roughly. He's 48, so let's say he's been a Pirate for 30 years. It means on a yearly basis, his bounty only goes up by 33m.
  • Squardo, let's say 20 years, 210m, that's roughly 10m a year.
Most pirates are not like Luffy or the Supernova whose crimes literally change the world dynamics and have global effects. And the big issue is the frequency of their activity, more activity (crimes/incidents) means bounty will go up faster, and the Supernova are constantly headlining crimes and incidents left right and centre.

If you think of Luffy's average bounty increase yearly and we assume he's been a Pirate for 3 years... he averages 500m bounty yearly which is madness. He's only been a Pirate for 2 years, so we're talking a 750m average which is ridiculous.

Kid was actually a Pirate 3 years before Luffy, so his 315m bounty means he averages 100m a year which is pretty significant when you factor in most pirates are averaging 10-30m on the high end.

Hancock acquired an 80m bounty in 1 incident... while it seems low, an 80m bounty right off the bat for 1 crime is incredible, and then she became a Shichibukai because of this incident. Had she not become a Shichibukai, who knows how high are bounty would have gone on to be? She became a Shichibukai at the age of 18 just from 1 incident.

I wouldn't say they have low bounties. What will determine their bounty is:
  • If their crimes are known.
  • The scale of the crimes they commit.
  • The number of crimes.
We don't know these details, so they're not necessarily low.

Bounties all tell different stories regardless of value; 1 person's 400m bounty could be over a 30 year period for 1000s of petty crimes whereas you could have someone with just 3 incidents over a 1 year period with a 400m bounty. The person who acquires a 400m bounty in 1 year.. is far more terrifying than the person who acquires an 400m (or even 800m) bounty over a period of 30 years because it means the person with the 400m bounty in a year is frequently involved in a crime or incident which makes them a threat.

You could have the strongest character in the world with a 0 bounty who just killed a few people and got a 20m bounty and you could get some weakling who destroyed a warship with cannons and earn a 50m bounty.
Yeah I agree with the above. I just assumed since the RA commanders go directly against the WG and take countries, they would be considered bigger threats than even super rookies. Governments typically care a lot more about keeping their political power than they care about civilians so don't see why RA leaders wouldn't have higher bounties.
 

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These bounties are no surprise.

It was already confirmed that Marco's bounty was lower than Luffy.

Sabo is only 600 million, and he's number 2 of the revolutionaries. It's only natural the others would have less than him.
 

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Yeah I agree with the above. I just assumed since the RA commanders go directly against the WG and take countries, they would be considered bigger threats than even super rookies. Governments typically care a lot more about keeping their political power than they care about civilians so don't see why RA leaders wouldn't have higher bounties.
The principle with bounty is just commit crime/be involved in incident, then bounty goes up. A low bounty just means you've not been involved in enough to get higher.
A higher bounty doesn't necessarily mean you're a bigger threat, it just means you've just been caught committing more crimes and been involved in a lot of incidents.

Someone with a 1b bounty has likely just been involved in more crimes than someone with 400m.

Robin can read the Poneglyph, she's the most dangerous person in the world essentially, but with just a 132m bounty. Her bounty being relatively low doesn't make her any less dangerous or less of a threat than Katakuri. If I were the WG and I had the choice between capturing Katakuri or Robin, I'd go with Robin because of her ability.

RA are dangerous given their political interference, but a relatively low bounty doesn't make them less dangerous, just means they've not been involved in as many known crimes/incidents as others.

And the thing with high bounties that I think isn't considered is people with bounties didn't just get it in 1 go. Katakuri's first bounty might have been 50m like Big Mom's when she was a kid, and then after 10 more incidents, she accumulated an additional 500m to make it 550m.

Another thing to consider is say Belo Betty with a 500m bounty only did 1 thing and instantly earned a 400m bounty off of 1 crime/incident... that makes whatever she did pretty bad by the WG's account.

It's hard to really understand a value of a bounty if you don't know exactly what they did to get that bounty. Luffy's bounty jumped from 100m to 300m after Enies Lobby, a 200m leap. If someone's 400m bounty was acquired from 2 incidents as opposed to someone who acquired a 900m bounty off of 100 incidents... the person with a 400m bounty is arguably the more dangerous person.
 

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Hm even in manga, I interpret the exclamation bubble as something was said by Clover that we the reader couldn't hear. The shoot him to me seems like a response to what he said.

Well the fact the name of the Kingdom is relevant enough to keep secret from us the reader makes me think it has actual significance in finding OP and getting to Raftel. Otherwise it could be something that was revealed to us like Joy Boy name which doesn't really provide any insight towards the future. Otherwise, why else hide the name?
I don't know, I interprete it the way he didn't have time to say it and was shot. I am be wrong, don't know what others think about it.

About the bounty.
I expected much higher for Marco. WB Pirates first commander. Able to hold Queen and King at the same time. Maybe WG doesn't see him as a big threat.

If we look at Marco and Izo's bounties, we can expect other commanders to be between them. Like Jozu and co.
Or maybe after they defeat against BB, their bounties went low ?
On the other hand, WB Pirates was never a threat for W.G. that may explain the bounties.

About the R.A. bounties, well it is not soo high when you know that R.A. is WG direct ennemy. Then Dragon's bounty must be around a first commander bounty.
 

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I don't know, I interprete it the way he didn't have time to say it and was shot. I am be wrong, don't know what others think about it.

About the bounty.
I expected much higher for Marco. WB Pirates first commander. Able to hold Queen and King at the same time. Maybe WG doesn't see him as a big threat.

If we look at Marco and Izo's bounties, we can expect other commanders to be between them. Like Jozu and co.
Or maybe after they defeat against BB, their bounties went low ?
On the other hand, WB Pirates was never a threat for W.G. that may explain the bounties.

About the R.A. bounties, well it is not soo high when you know that R.A. is WG direct ennemy. Then Dragon's bounty must be around a first commander bounty.
Bounties can't go down.

All a bounty is, is the accumulation of all your crimes.
  1. So, let's say you destroy a town, and it makes the headlines... the WG give you a 15m bounty for this crime.
  2. Then you steal a Navy battle ship, the WG hear about it, and then they give you a 10m bounty for this crime, now you have a 25m bounty.
  3. 2 months later, you get involved in a war, and you played a major role, you get a 30m bounty... now you have a 55m bounty.
So, really, when you see a bounty of any value whether it's 100m or 300m or 1b, you have to ask what did they do to get this bounty? They didn't just get it because of 1 event or because they're strong. They just got those bounties because of the crimes they committed. Whether it's 100 or a 1000 crimes, we don't know. However, we can't really determine strength accurate from a bounty.. what we can say for sure is they've committed crimes to the extent of accumulating the value we see.

Bounties can't go down because the crimes you committed can't be erased. The only thing that can be done is your bounty gets frozen.

Izo's bounty isn't low for his rank.. this is someone capable of cutting Kaido... it only looks low because people associate bounty with strength level. RA don't really have low bounties either. They have the right bounty because the bounty reflects the crimes committed.

Only way we can really say a bounty is low is for example... Luffy got an 70m bounty for defeating a Shichibukai. Unless we think 70m is too low for such a feat... then we can't say the bounty is low.
To call a bounty low requires knowing exactly every crime a character has committed, knowing the value each crime was given, and then judging if the value given to the crime was too low.

If someone destroyed CP9 for example, and only got a 100beri bounty, then we can say for sure the bounty is factually low. Chopper is a main example of a low bounty given that he defeated many powerful people and played a vital role.

A bounty really is just a criminal record with a number attached to it.

The crews that commit the most crimes will be the crews with the highest bounties.
 

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I don't think the bounties are low at all. Urogue beat a commander with a low bounty.
Law and Kidd are fighting Yonko with 400M on their head.

And usually, the head of the group will have the higher bounty anyway. Dragon's bounty could be huge or surprisingly low. Depends how active they really are.

If WG gave everyone 1bn bounty, they will be broke af! Imagine if you beat all 4 Yonko's, tie them up and hand them to WG, but they can't pay lol.
 

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Having a Billi already indicates that you've made it. Jinbe already said that it's harder to grow them after 300 million.

I do think it's slightly odd that the WG doesn't pump up the bounties for their philosophy, but hey, it is what it is. They've technically kept to themselves and have done no harm to anyone, even avoiding the Marines, so it's no real surprise.

That said, whatever went down at the Reverie will definitely change that, so these are probably outdated at this point.
 

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That said, whatever went down at the Reverie will definitely change that, so these are probably outdated at this point.
Remember that the bounties of Sabo and the others have not been revealed in the manga yet.

If anything, these are future bounties
 

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I do think it's slightly odd that the WG doesn't pump up the bounties for their philosophy
Philosophy doesn't increase bounties.

Robin's bounty didn't go up for 20 years because they didn't know what she was doing. Robin's arguably as big as a threat if not bigger than the RA and their philosophy. She only had an 80m ability despite the fact she can destroy the world.

Only activity increases bounty. If you commit a crime or are involved in an incident, Bounty goes up. If you don't you get no bounty.
 

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Remember that the bounties of Sabo and the others have not been revealed in the manga yet.

If anything, these are future bounties
I doubt it. Otherwise Oda could've done the same thing with the Shichibukai who got brand new bounties recently.

I think we'll get updated reveals for bounties after Wano.
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Philosophy doesn't increase bounties.
I'm aware. I just find the WG handling of bounties to be weird.
 

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I doubt it. Otherwise Oda could've done the same thing with the Shichibukai who got brand new bounties recently.
I don't get your point. The Shichibukai former bounties have all been revealed in the manga.
 

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How is it weird?
Hard to phrase it correctly, but simply put, individuals who should technically be among the most wanted in the world don't have suitable bounties, IMO.

I get what they are going for, but certain elements of the bounty system I just don't care for.

I don't get your point. The Shichibukai former bounties have all been revealed in the manga.
The stretch of chapters these Vivre Cards are covering include the chapter where the Marines reveal that they are unfreezing and reassessing the bounties of the now former Shichibukai. They have new bounties.

I'm saying that Oda is saving updated bounties for the Revo and Shichibukai for a later reveal and these are pre Reverie attack bounties.
 

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Hard to phrase it correctly, but simply put, individuals who should technically be among the most wanted in the world don't have suitable bounties, IMO.

I get what they are going for, but certain elements of the bounty system I just don't care for.
It's not that they don't have suitable bounties, it's that bounties don't work the way most of the fandom think.

People think Robin should have a bounty in the billions since she's the only one that can read Poneglyph and has the power to activate Ancient Weapons capable of destroying the world.

Thing is bounty doesn't work based on how threatening you think a character is.

Bounties work based on the crimes they've committed.

In essence, you can't really say an assigned value is not suitable.

Belo Betty's bounty is 457 million. How can you say her bounty is not suitable if:
  1. You don't know what crimes she committed?
  2. How many crimes she committed?
  3. The severity of the crime she committed?
Unless you know these things, it's impossible to say a bounty isn't suitable.

We can only say a bounty is low if we have something to compare it to. Luffy defeated a Shichibukai and gained a bounty of 70m+; If someone else defeated a Shichibukai and got a 10m bounty... then we can say the bounty given is suspiciously too low.

However, we don't know what exactly the RA have done besides their philosophy. No one can get a bounty just because of what they believe. If they don't do anything criminal, they can't get a bounty.

Robin an 8 years old had a 79m, 20 years later, she only had an increase of 1m for her bounty taking her to 80m. By what I believe would be your logic, you think this is too low... thing is bounties don't work the way most people think it does. The formula is simply > commit a crime and get a bounty, otherwise, bounty won't change even if you get stronger or have a dangerous philosophy.
 

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Like I said, I get the intent. I even said as much in my first post regarding the topic. We know they've stayed in the shadows for the most part while they consolidated power before making a move and so their bounties are, technically, appropriate. I just have a few quibbles with the execution.

Throughout this entire series, we know the WG goes out of their way to stamp out certain things that don't meld with their goals or ideals. Robin herself committed no crime until adulthood. They literally lied about what she did to get a bounty put on her.

So, in my opinion, if they are willing to frame a little girl with a nonsense crime to preserve the status quo (among other atrocious), I don't see why they wouldn't give stupid high bounties to individuals whose main goals are directly related to smashing the status quo and removing the Celestial Dragons from power. These are the individuals who they should want out of their hair the most.
 
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