One Piece Mega Convo Thread

[vagabond87]

The whole point of being an "apprentice" is to gather experience by witnessing your seniors in action. If he had the same experience as a Veteran, he wouldn't be an apprentice, it's contradicting itself.

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You're missing the point. I'm clearly wasting my time. I don't want you to tell me how awesome Shanks is.

I am not missing the point.
You are downgrading possibility of some Whitebeard pirates joining Shanks and you are reffering to him as he is still cabin boy that he was at start.
From zero to hero as they say. If you are wasting time then stop.

TheLuffySmile- you didnt brought up the best argument though.

Experience measured in years does not matter as some individuals catch things faster and have bigger potential than others(Shanks > Marco).
What you wanted to say to other forum members that like me are missing the point? Because from what I see it seems like your point is that its not possible for some Whitebeard pirates to work under Shanks as he started as cabin boy(and all WB pirates were awesome full blown pirates since turning lets say 5) and that joining anyone if disgrace for them and would make them pathetic/ lower them so much they would become laughing stock.

I dont agree if that is the point.

 

[KingOfNight]

I am not missing the point.
You are downgrading possibility of some Whitebeard pirates joining Shanks and you are reffering to him as he is still cabin boy that he was at start.
From zero to hero as they say. If you are wasting time then stop.

You are.

I'm not downgrading it, I'm saying it's a horrible thing in my opinion, and posted why I think that(which neither you or Schabrak could counter). I'm not referring to him as if he's still a cabin boy, I'm constantly saying that he WAS. The point is, how Veterans will feel if they have to call someone "Captain" when he was a cleaning boy.

 

[hoeru]

Marco joining Shanks was possibly hinted by Shanks asking Marco to join him, and for what Shanks did for Whitebeard to save his pride by retrieving his corpse. Marco could join simply out of either being grateful or because he know he himself couldn't stand a chance alone against Blackbeard.

Please, those are complete no-brainers...

 

[vagabond87]

You are.

I'm not downgrading it, I'm saying it's a horrible thing in my opinion, and posted why I think that(which neither you or Schabrak could counter). I'm not referring to him as if he's still a cabin boy, I'm constantly saying that he WAS. The point is, how Veterans will feel if they have to call someone "Captain" when he was a cleaning boy.

Brook had different captain yet he died(captian of his) and he joined Luffy.
To Brook even Roger was a rookie(it was said in the manga)
Brook must feel terrible

Also Edward Newgate probably started as someones cabin boy as well. What do you have to say to that?

 

[KingOfNight]

Brook had different captain yet he died(captian of his) and he joined Luffy.
To Brook even Roger was a rookie(it was said in the manga)
Brook must feel terrible

Also Edward Newgate probably started as someones cabin boy as well. What do you have to say to that?

Brook has his own way, not to mention that he was member of a normal crew, not a legend.

Whether he started as one or not, doesn't matter. This isn't about Shanks for the one hundredth time, it's about the WB Pirates. Also, not all pirates start as cabin boys. Very few actually do...

P.S Don't change the topic. How about answering to my original post to you(which no one has answered to yet) or simply quit posting?

 

[vagabond87]

Brook has his own way, not to mention that he was member of a normal crew, not a legend.

Whether he started as one or not, doesn't matter. This isn't about Shanks for the one hundredth time, it's about the WB Pirates. Also, not all pirates start as cabin boys. Very few actually do...

P.S Don't change the topic. How about answering to my original post to you(which no one has answered to yet) or simply quit posting?

So you ignore what is confident for you and as response you say that I change subject and suggest me to quit posting. Interesiting

What post exactly should I reply? Give me number or quote

 

[KingOfNight]

So you ignore what is confident for you and as response you say that I change subject and suggest me to quit posting. Interesiting

What post exactly should I reply? Give me number or quote

I didn't ignore it, even though it's clearly an attempt at moving the goal post(whether you did it intentionally or not).

Here. You've yet to reply to it seriously.

 

[vagabond87]

I didn't ignore it, even though it's clearly an attempt at moving the goal post(whether you did it intentionally or not).

Here. You've yet to reply to it seriously.

I already quoted it- replied to it. Its as serious as I can get replying to that post.
Whole subject seems to be covered already by me and other forum members. Whats the point? Keep in mind your opinion about Whitebeard pirates joining Shanks being worst case scenario for you and we(me and some other members) will think of it as foreshadowed, possible outcome. What else I can say..

 

[Schabrak]

Also, not all pirates start as cabin boys. Very few actually do...

Hey, stop embarassing yourself even more, nobody can take this opinion of yours serious anymore, it's not based on the manga, it's purely based on your fanatic idolization of some WB pirates. Very few actually do what? Do you chat with Oda that he could give you some secret information nobody else in the world has? Are you his editor? Who are you to make those baseless claims, one after the other?

 

[KingOfNight]

I already quoted it- replied to it. Its as serious as I can get replying to that post.
Whole subject seems to be covered already by me and other forum members. Whats the point? Keep in mind your opinion about Whitebeard pirates joining Shanks being worst case scenario for you and we(me and some other members) will think of it as foreshadowed, possible outcome. What else I can say..

If that was the most serious reply you could think of, might as well have agreed to disagree from the beginning. The subject was NEVER covered. It somehow turned into "Shanks is absolutely awesome and unbelievably strong and he's not a greenhorn" thing. Even though that was just a single small point in my original post.

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Hey, stop embarassing yourself even more, nobody can take this opinion of yours serious anymore, it's not based on the manga, it's purely based on your fanatic idolization of some WB pirates. Very few actually do what? Do you chat with Oda that he could give you some secret information nobody else in the world has? Are you his editor? Who are you to make those baseless claims, one after the other?

I don't know, who are you to invalidate people's opinions because they don't match yours? I'm just saying what I see. Luffy, Zoro, Ussop for example weren't cabin boys.

 

[vagabond87]

If that was the most serious reply you could think of, might as well have agreed to disagree from the beginning. The subject was NEVER covered. It somehow turned into "Shanks is absolutely awesome and unbelievably strong and he's not a greenhorn" thing. Even though that was just a single small point in my original post.

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I don't know, who are you to invalidate people's opinions because they don't match yours? I'm just saying what I see. Luffy, Zoro, Ussop for example weren't cabin boys.

Luffy was boy raised in mountains by bandits Is this better than being cabin boy and apprentice on King of Pirates ship?
Did you worked in your life in some simple job or did you started on company boss chair? There is no disgrace in doing basics, getting to know life so then you later can do next steps towards some goal. Many great people start from zero outside of One Piece, whats wrong with that and how can you use that as an argument?
Shanks exceeded Whitebeard pirates- veterans or not, only Whitebeard could be compared to him.

 

[Razh]

Brook had different captain yet he died(captian of his) and he joined Luffy.
To Brook even Roger was a rookie(it was said in the manga)
Brook must feel terrible

Also Edward Newgate probably started as someones cabin boy as well. What do you have to say to that?

I have to bring up Jinbei again. From taking care of helpless Luffy and saving his life, he's now willing to follow his orders as a part of his crew. There is no better example in entire manga.

 

[KingOfNight]

Luffy was boy raised in mountains by bandits Is this better than being cabin boy and apprentice on King of Pirates ship?
Did you worked in your life in some simple job or did you started on company boss chair? There is no disgrace in doing basics, getting to know life so then you later can do next steps towards some goal. Many great people start from zero outside of One Piece, whats wrong with that and how can you use that as an argument?
Shanks exceeded Whitebeard pirates- veterans or not, only Whitebeard could be compared to him.

You still say that even though the very post you replied to told you that this is not about Shanks? I'm seriously shocked here. Dude, again, this isn't about Shanks. I'm not degrading him. I'm talking about the WB Pirates here.

 

[vagabond87]

You still say that even though the very post you replied to told you that this is not about Shanks? I'm seriously shocked here. Dude, again, this isn't about Shanks. I'm not degrading him. I'm talking about the WB Pirates here.

Okay so whats about them? What is it then?
Maybe use different words than you used in previous posts. It looks like you contradict yourself.

And thank you Razh- this is THE best example in manga to date.

 

[KingOfNight]

Okay so whats about them? What is it then?
Maybe use different words than you used in previous posts. It looks like you contradict yourself.

And thank you Razh- this is THE best example in manga to date.

Read the post I quoted just now once again. See how many points I make in it. The whole thing about Shanks being a greenhorn was one of many things(and people didn't even understand the point of it). I don't care how crazy awesome Shanks is, he and his pirates are not on the same pedestal as the WB Pirates.

 

[vagabond87]

Read the post I quoted just now once again. See how many points I make in it. The whole thing about Shanks being a greenhorn was one of many things(and people didn't even understand the point of it). I don't care how crazy awesome Shanks is, he and his pirates are not on the same pedestal as the WB Pirates.

Shanks group is at same place where Whitebeard crew WAS. They are one of four emperors crew. As long as they are alive and together they have chance to become strongest, most firm among Yonko crews. Especially with some of ex Whitebeard pirates joining forces with Red Haired pirates

I sacrificed my time to read it once again and my replies covers it all. Maybe I am not the one that should read all replies once again. I am serious.
If you expect more replies then either you are trolling me or you are blind to some replies.
Sooo....

 

[KingOfNight]

Shanks group is at same place where Whitebeard crew WAS. They are one of four emperors crew. As long as they are alive and together they have chance to become strongest, most firm among Yonko crews. Especially with some of ex Whitebeard pirates joining forces with Red Haired pirates

Is he the ruler of the sea? No. And once again, you miss the point.

I sacrificed my time to read it once again and my replies covers it all. Maybe I am not the one that should read all replies once again. I am serious.
If you expect more replies then either you are trolling me or you are blind to some replies.
Sooo....

Your reply doesn't respond to half of it. Show me these replies that I'm blind to. Please, do.

 

[weixiaobao]

Too busy to participate in this forum, sigh, goddam finals/projects.

I think argue over what significant if Marco would or wouldn't join Shanks rather than the possibility is more interesting. Shanks was the hardest to figure out (in power grabbing scheme wise), so getting the remnants of WB's crew to join him is interesting compare to what the other Yonkou are doing.

But on the other hand, I kinda like Marco being a wildcard. And that WB crew being a single minded driven crew to be the most bothersome thing on BB's crew. (especially since Shanks is being reserve toward BB)

Sigh, I usually like an arc about members fighting each others to find a new successor. But it seems WB crews get along too well for that to happen, plus Marco seemed to be the most obvious/respected choice of captain (and I believe the fandom assume as much).

To be frank, Marco + Shanks combination do have the power to obliterate BB's crew (+ Impel down people) before time skipped unless he too have some sort of connection/alliance. But for some reasons, Shanks just don't want to handle BB.

So is BB gave Shanks that scar before he acquire his Dark DF or sometime between then and the duel with Ace.

 

[Schabrak]

They were veteran. How about you provide a proof for this bold part?

How would you know they were veterans? Please provide a single panel showing them as powerful commanders/high ranking pirates of WB's crew yourself. You won't find a single one, I can assure you of that.

How about Newgate talking with Shanks and praising his duells with Mihawk as legendary?

It is.

"It is." is your argument? Ahahaha, wow. So you got nothing, nothing at all to show me how and why Marco would be treated differently than the rest of Red hairs crew.

http://www.mangareader.net/103-2631-17/one-piece/chapter-524.html "We have already angered the ruler of the sea." In another translation, "We have angered the King of the Sea." Lack of knowledge about the Manga if anything.

Just like Shanks is the ruler of his seas? Just like Big Mam and Kaido are emperors of their seas? Yeah, that's one hell of a strong argument you made.

It was stated already by Momonga which is why I put it in a quote. I will find the chapter for you, don't worry.

EDIT: Meh, it was an anime only statement; episode 434.

So this one is out of your list or argument too.

He was equal to the other two, all of which were inferior to WB. Something made ridiculously clear in this Manga.

It was said the he had the epitaph "The Strongest Man in the World" because at his prime, he was clearly the strongest person on earth after Roger [was executed]. That was twenty years ago, two years ago he shared the title of emperor of the pirate with three others. He had the strongest paramecia fruit, likely even the strongest known earth besides the very usefull darkness fruit, which Teach has sough for two decades. The last page of their clash in 434 shows them being quiet equal in form of the sky splitting in half.

My opinion is wrong because you said so?

For one, this was entirely a debate of opinions, by you, Vagabond, Razh, and everyone else.

When I crush whatever ounce of logic in you opinion, you demand "evidence" from me? You're quickly losing your credibility.

It is wrong, because it's clearly wrong. Shanks was a member of Gol's crew, Jozu and Marco were likely members of Edward's crew. That's all we know about them, aside from Shanks and Buggy being one fo the youngest members of the crew, young, but strong enough to sail with the Pirate Kings crew, strong enough to survive the Grandline. What do we know about Jozu and Marco from that time? Absolutely nothing, so I ask you again, where you got the idea that they were above Shanks, or worse, how those couple years they were sailing through the New World have any influence to the current Emeperor Shanks? Please be my guest and explain this to me.

You talk about crushing argument when you can't even provide a locgical and on the manga based reasoning...

 

[M3J]

Read the post I quoted just now once again. See how many points I make in it. The whole thing about Shanks being a greenhorn was one of many things(and people didn't even understand the point of it). I don't care how crazy awesome Shanks is, he and his pirates are not on the same pedestal as the WB Pirates.

What proof do you have? Shanks is not only a Yonkou, but no other Yonkou went after him because they feared losing their strength IF they won. Shanks was on the same pedestal as the Whitebeard pirates, otherwise he'd never become a Yonkou in the first place or even fight Kaidou and make it out alive.