One Piece Mega Convo Thread

[Eigengrau]

*coughtinfoilcough*
I really don't get why that channel is so popular...

I know, they're mostly just shots in the dark most of the time, but y'know... I watch some of them mostly to just pass the time
Not to mention that it somewhat pisses me off that someone would just go on and form all those intricate theories based on a couple of words and such, but in the end they're just theories, so yep

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

I know, they're mostly just shots in the dark most of the time, but y'know... I watch some of them mostly to just pass the time
Not to mention that it somewhat pisses me off that someone would just go on and form all those intricate theories based on a couple of words and such, but in the end they're just theories, so yep

Well I can see how it can be appealing. But even when it's intricate tinfoil is tinfoil in the end.I don't know a single Youtuber who has some legit OP theories, and more than other works like GoT for example, it easily becomes ridiculous.
Oh well nothing wrong with passing time, but when it comes to theories I find that some of the best are on this forum.I can't really take those YT vids seriously.

 

[Shinsatsu]

I can't really take those YT vids seriously.

Exactly.
Sometimes I read fan theories, and I always wonder how the hell could they come up with these things from some half panel or cover art... I liked some of the theories I've read, because they were well built and had enough evidence to get my attention (like the Sanji/Satan one and the one about Zoro in Wano). But if you hear them on YT instead of reading them yourself, they tend to sound ridiculous... Maybe because everyone knows that Youtubers usually put up random content for the sake of those precious views with no regard to credibility.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Exactly.
Sometimes I read fan theories, and I always wonder how the hell could they come up with these things from some half panel or cover art... I liked some of the theories I've read, because they were well built and had enough evidence to get my attention (like the Sanji/Satan one and the one about Zoro in Wano). But if you hear them on YT instead of reading them yourself, they tend to sound ridiculous... Maybe because everyone knows that Youtubers usually put up random content for the sake of those precious views with no regard to credibility.

That's exactly how I feel, because of the way YT works it automatically loses credibility.Because if those Youtubers don't get enough views or likes they can't get as much money from YT, so they are tempted to hunt for views and likes at the price of the quality of their videos. And not to mention that I've noticed that in the past years tinfoil theories are very successful, again on YT.For example I used to watch Preston Jacobs vids, which is a guy who makes theories about ASOIF/Game of thrones, but his videos can only be seen as tinfoil. At first I found his thought process to be interesting, how he linked some details that could be seen as insignificant with more major ones to make his theories. But in the end I ended up unsubscribing from his channel after watching a couple of videos where he would do some very far-fetched assumptions based on a single line of text, that can be interpreted in a different way. So it really got ridiculous by the end.
In the end I'm not sure how these OP vids can contribute to have a better understanding of the manga, and I also prefer to read theories where I know that those who have posted them on this site or other forums have put a lot of thought into making them, and they're not just doing it for the views.

BTW epic set. I like it very much.

 

[Zehahaha]

Glad I'm not the only one thinking about that
Look at this statement anyway, Fishmen being mistreated by the WG... That's not even the fucking point, Fishmen were mistreated by humans as a whole, disregarding whether it is the WG or not (this is just so he can say Hack joined Revolutionaries because of that yata yata)

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

That's exactly how I feel, because of the way YT works it automatically loses credibility.Because if those Youtubers don't get enough views or likes they can't get as much money from YT, so they are tempted to hunt for views and likes at the price of the quality of their videos. And not to mention that I've noticed that in the past years tinfoil theories are very successful, again on YT.For example I used to watch Preston Jacobs vids, which is a guy who makes theories about ASOIF/Game of thrones, but his videos can only be seen as tinfoil. At first I found his thought process to be interesting, how he linked some details that could be seen as insignificant with more major ones to make his theories. But in the end I ended up unsubscribing from his channel after watching a couple of videos where he would do some very far-fetched assumptions based on a single line of text, that can be interpreted in a different way. So it really got ridiculous by the end.
In the end I'm not sure how these OP vids can contribute to have a better understanding of the manga, and I also prefer to read theories where I know that those who have posted them on this site or other forums have put a lot of thought into making them, and they're not just doing it for the views.

BTW epic set. I like it very much.

Lol, I stay far away from Youtube OP theorists, they watch One Piece and then tell you Luffy's next power-up would be 9 tails Naruto because Oda is a fan of Kishimoto...

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Lol, I stay far away from Youtube OP theorists, they watch One Piece and then tell you Luffy's next power-up would be 9 tails Naruto because Oda is a fan of Kishimoto...

Or the Luffy Monkey God transformation or something XD They can be pretty creative.
There's even a guy who draws fake OP chapters, some of which feature Dragon.

 

[hokageji]

i have a question!!

So going back to Blackbaerd in Jaya arc, Luffy and Zoro referred to him as "them" the source for the Cerebus theory. If that is the case, would Cavendish also be able to survive with 2 devil fruits??

Cavendish and Hakuba are like two souls or people in one body, first DF survives with Cavendish and the other with Hakuba.

 

[Zehahaha]

i have a question!!

So going back to Blackbaerd in Jaya arc, Luffy and Zoro referred to him as "them" the source for the Cerebus theory. If that is the case, would Cavendish also be able to survive with 2 devil fruits??

Cavendish and Hakuba are like two souls or people in one body, first DF survives with Cavendish and the other with Hakuba.

They probably meant " them " as a crew, they knew he was a captain of his own crew
At least that's my own interpretation, I don't think Luffy and Zoro could sense something about BB's body while many of the guys who were with him in the WB crew were surprised he ate 2 fruits

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

They probably meant " them " as a crew, they knew he was a captain of his own crew
At least that's my own interpretation, I don't think Luffy and Zoro could sense something about BB's body while many of the guys who were with him in the WB crew were surprised he ate 2 fruits

Same here, I think they noticed the rest of his crew that are scattered around.
I don't think that at that point they could have sensed that there's more than one person in him, if that's even the case.That was even before Mantra/CoO was introduced, although it might not be what would allow them to sense that. Just that it's more likely they couldn't sense anything that is peculiar about his body.
As far as Cavendish goes, Hakuba is a persona. It's a dissociative disorder, so not sure if it's the same as BB whose body could be different from other humans, as hinted by Marco.

 

[hokageji]

They probably meant " them " as a crew, they knew he was a captain of his own crew
At least that's my own interpretation, I don't think Luffy and Zoro could sense something about BB's body while many of the guys who were with him in the WB crew were surprised he ate 2 fruits

Thats how I interpreted till the Cerebrus theory came along. I guess its unfair to place a theory over a theory but the fact remains, 2 souls in one body, can he consume another DF?

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Thats how I interpreted till the Cerebrus theory came along. I guess its unfair to place a theory over a theory but the fact remains, 2 souls in one body, can he consume another DF?

Well it's still one body, I would say it would be ineffective. The way Marco worded it suggests that there is something special about BB's body, not so much that he has two souls.And it's not the case with Cavendish/Hakuba either, it's most likely a dissociative identity disorder.

Dissociative identity disorder (formerly multiple personality disorder): the alternation of two or more distinct personality states with impaired recall among personality states. In extreme cases, the host personality is unaware of the other, alternating personalities; however, the alternate personalities are aware of all the existing personalities.[2] This category now includes the old derealization disorder category.

 

[Eigengrau]

Cavendish and Hakuba are like two souls or people in one body, first DF survives with Cavendish and the other with Hakuba.

They refer to Hakuba as being a split-personality of Cavendish - or was it the other way around? I think Cavendish was the split-personality and Hakuba the real one - so that doesn't really apply I think, they still share/use the same body, and remain the same person.

When we were first introduced to Hakuba, I thought that we were being introduced to a new type of DF that instead of being a Paramecia, Zoan or Logia, would be a type of DF that creates another personality for the user, or something like a "haunting" by a spirit or something of the sort, but I guess not, too bad.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Thats how I interpreted till the Cerebrus theory came along. I guess its unfair to place a theory over a theory but the fact remains, 2 souls in one body, can he consume another DF?

I believe BB is multiple people too, a biological chimera. In the Viz Translations shows 2 (3 in total) distinct Laughs coming from Blackbeard while he's talking to Luffy at Mock Town and every bit of the dialogue implies to me they were referring to Blackbeard as they, or else there shouldn't have been any confusion.

 

[goldb]

I believe BB is multiple people too, a biological chimera. In the Viz Translations shows 2 (3 in total) distinct Laughs coming from Blackbeard while he's talking to Luffy at Mock Town and every bit of the dialogue implies to me they were referring to Blackbeard as they, or else there shouldn't have been any confusion.

Not that I disagree with you( as the theory about Blackbeard's split personality and ability to absorb a secondary devil fruit has been around for a few years now) but he isn't the only character to have a distinct laugher (Dr Kureha, Mihawk, Garp, and even Luffy goes "hahaha" as opposed to his regular "Shishishi" laughter when something is really funny.

As for the comment made by Luffy and Zoro as they were leaving Mock Town, I always assumed they were referring to his crew, but you could be onto something.

I wanted to say that maybe a split personality is a result of having the Yami Yami no mi but as we know from Marco during the war, Teach has always been a bit different from others. So I'm hoping Oda's explanation is more than just an alter ego but something to do with his DNA or other.

 

[Shinsatsu]

Until Oda's explanation, I will always believe that BB can use the gura gura powers because his yami yami no mi allows him to. We know that he was searching for it his entire life... Also, I think that yami yami no mi has to be extremely special for him to devote his entire life... not to mention killing his nakama to obtain it. I also think that he's the (most) knowledgeable person about devil fruits. So I believe that that he's capable of absorbing devil fruit powers somehow, and using them (one at a time). The reason why he chose the gura gura is obvious... It's the most powerful one out there.
IMO, Marco's comment was just his theory.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

Until Oda's explanation, I will always believe that BB can use the gura gura powers because his yami yami no mi allows him to. We know that he was searching for it his entire life... Also, I think that yami yami no mi has to be extremely special for him to devote his entire life... not to mention killing his nakama to obtain it. I also think that he's the (most) knowledgeable person about devil fruits. So I believe that that he's capable of absorbing devil fruit powers somehow, and using them (one at a time). The reason why he chose the gura gura is obvious... It's the most powerful one out there.
IMO, Marco's comment was just his theory.

Perhaps since it absorbs everything, it's like BB is a black hole , so it sucks everything. So it could be thanks to that that he's able to bypass the limit of one DF per user. It's as if he never had a DF to begin with, because he's a walking black hole lol.
And I don't think BB knows more about DFs than Vegapunk, he seems to know their true nature. Hopefully he'll be introduced soon as Smoker is going to meet him to have him cure the PH kids. When it comes to knowledge about DFs, outside of Vegapunk, it seems that BB and Doflamingo are the most knowledgeable ones out there. They seem to know a great deal about their properties, and I wonder does BB know about the Ope Ope and the immortal surgery? I think immortality would be the ultimate thing he could acquire, which might allow him to realize his dream and even live for all of eternity.Assuming it's really immortality and not just being ageless, which seems to be the case. But still he should be interested I think, and I'm not saying he should eat it himself, rather have maybe Doc Q eat it since he's confirmed to be the doctor.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Not that I disagree with you( as the theory about Blackbeard's split personality and ability to absorb a secondary devil fruit has been around for a few years now) but he isn't the only character to have a distinct laugher (Dr Kureha, Mihawk, Garp, and even Luffy goes "hahaha" as opposed to his regular "Shishishi" laughter when something is really funny.

As for the comment made by Luffy and Zoro as they were leaving Mock Town, I always assumed they were referring to his crew, but you could be onto something.

I wanted to say that maybe a split personality is a result of having the Yami Yami no mi but as we know from Marco during the war, Teach has always been a bit different from others. So I'm hoping Oda's explanation is more than just an alter ego but something to do with his DNA or other.

Oh by Biological Chimera, I don't mean split personality, I meant DNA wise. It's when multiple fertilized eggs merge is what I was referring to. The laughter of 3 different types were all presenting themselves at the same time as well.

My premise is he physically embodies multiple people which is why may appear to have multiple personalities, but I think it's his biological make which is the root cause of his phenomenal feats and why Marco refers to his body as atypical and this I find this is Marco's view of Blackbeard before he ate the Yami Yami, so I personally don't hold responsible his fruit for his ability to have multiple abilities.

 

[Eigengrau]

Oh by Biological Chimera, I don't mean split personality, I meant DNA wise. It's when multiple fertilized eggs merge is what I was referring to. The laughter of 3 different types were all presenting themselves at the same time as well.

My premise is he physically embodies multiple people which is why may appear to have multiple personalities, but I think it's his biological make which is the root cause of his phenomenal feats and why Marco refers to his body as atypical and this I find this is Marco's view of Blackbeard before he ate the Yami Yami, so I personally don't hold responsible his fruit for his ability to have multiple abilities.

I also think that could be a nice parallel with Luffy; despite Luffy not having flesh and blood brother(s) - that we know of - he still had Sabo/Ace, and BB likely never had brothers of his own because they're all within him, like how sometimes a baby eats another or something, while in the womb.

 

[Shinsatsu]

Perhaps since it absorbs everything, it's like BB is a black hole , so it sucks everything. So it could be thanks to that that he's able to bypass the limit of one DF per user. It's as if he never had a DF to begin with, because he's a walking black hole lol.
And I don't think BB knows more about DFs than Vegapunk, he seems to know their true nature. Hopefully he'll be introduced soon as Smoker is going to meet him to have him cure the PH kids. When it comes to knowledge about DFs, outside of Vegapunk, it seems that BB and Doflamingo are the most knowledgeable ones out there. They seem to know a great deal about their properties, and I wonder does BB know about the Ope Ope and the immortal surgery? I think immortality would be the ultimate thing he could acquire, which might allow him to realize his dream and even live for all of eternity.Assuming it's really immortality and not just being ageless, which seems to be the case. But still he should be interested I think, and I'm not saying he should eat it himself, rather have maybe Doc Q eat it since he's confirmed to be the doctor.

Whoa! I forgot about those scumbags. Let's just say then that the person who eats a DF and gets to experiment with its powers has to be the most knowledgeable person about that specific DF. That's why I didn't want to take what Marco said seriously, and I'm willing to ignore (for the first time) the fact that Oda doesn't include random dialogue lines in his story.
From what I've seen, I don't think that BB would enjoy being immortal. I think that he likes his adventures and enjoys the thrill of risking his life in order to achieve his goals (His face off with Magellan made me think that he is similar to luffy when it comes to recklessness...).
BB is a strong believer in fate and in the dreams of men... I would say that he won't go for immortality even if he knew about it, because it's like cheating fate.