One Piece Mega Convo Thread

[M3J]

There's no reinterpretation, just each of us interpreting as we see it, just like you're doing.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

It's honestly still all too ambiguous to really know for sure what's needed. We do know that the pirates who want to be the King have to be strong enough to deal with whoever comes after them, but we also know that they can get to Raftel and become the King without fighting at all, though that's debatable when they get to Raftel or right before Raftel. I expect guardians or some shit to be there.

You're right, it simply requires going to Raftel. We also saw Usopp mention this.

Though you have to consider the fact that anything can be simplified to seem easy.

• Want to be a doctor? Just read a book boom, you're a doctor.
• Want to win the Formula 1 Grand Prix? Just get from point A to B faster than the other guy, boom, you're the winner.
• You want to rob the bank? Just crack the safe, get the money, walk out, easy.

While these are all true, there's obstacles that make simple tasks difficult. Luffy is not the only one trying to find the One Piece, he has competition from Emperors, Supernova and many other Pirates.

Even stealing a Poneglyph is not easy, we saw what Luffy and co. had to do just to steal Big Mom's Poneglyph. They had to fight to get it. Granted, by the time Brook stole a copy, he was held in Big Mom's arms and they had to sneak into her room and save Brook.
We can look at it from that perspective and said... they could just have escaped at that point and they actually wou;ldn't have needed to confront Big Mom if Sanji just agreed to come with them.

Thing is even then, for Brook to steal that copy, he had to fight. They had to have a stupid amount of luck, they needed allies, they need Brulee hostage, they needed Big Mom's vivre card, they also needed someone who knew the layout of Big Mom's kingdom in and out. Usually, this would be literally impossible, but the SHs get away with it because of luck.
Meaning realistically, one can't even steal a poneglyph copy, you would realistically have to fight because sneaking in is close to impossible.

So, we have the fact:

• One can't sneak into an Emperor's territory and steal a Poneglyph.

This means fighting the Emperors is inevitable for 99.9% of people generally meaning war is the only way to acquire Poneglyphs.

Other obstacle is as we saw... Pirates want to prove their strength. Usopp is asking Luffy what manliness has to do with anything? Luffy's got pride, he has some sense of ego, and fighting fulfils that.
Pirates generally want to prove their strength to be Pirate King, in reality, it's not as simple as just stealing all 4 Poneglyphs and finding Raftel. It's a lot more difficult than that.

What Luffy has done to reach this point seems simple because of luck, Bare in mind, literally everything Luffy has done, people tried to do for years and failed:

• Crocodile's Baroque work was active for years.. it took Luffy a mere few days to end that.
• Enel was in power for years, Luffy took him down in a day? or 2? Something an entire nation couldn't do.
• Luffy broke into Enies Lobby and did the impossible and also survived Buster-call.
• Broke into Impel Down and escaped, something only done by a rival of Roger 20 years ago.
• Dressrosa, we know almost 20 years ago, Sengoku tried to stop Doflamingo and even the RA tried to stop his operations... what took the RA and Navy almost 20 years... Luffy in a day does what they couldn't.

So just imagine... yes, finding One Piece is just going to Raftel. For 800 years, no one accomplished it besides Roger. Luffy's about to do the same. Being pirate King is close to impossible unless you're not just powerful, but incredibly lucky which Luffy has on his side.

Simply put, anything Luffy accomplishes is comically made to look a 101 times easier than it is in reality, and realistically a goal that should be accomplished over decades of planning, not just turning up and taking action without a plan like Luffy does 10/10 times.

To be Pirate King without fighting is pretty much close to impossible given that the odds are so so low.

 

[Bandit99]

Quick thought:
How did doflamingo know about the Ope Ope no mi being able to make some immortal? Probably means that it's been done before right?

Doffy knows a lot of secrets about the WG. So maybe the immortality operation was performed on Im-sama?

 

[M3J]

You're right, it simply requires going to Raftel. We also saw Usopp mention this.

Though you have to consider the fact that anything can be simplified to seem easy.

• Want to be a doctor? Just read a book boom, you're a doctor.
• Want to win the Formula 1 Grand Prix? Just get from point A to B faster than the other guy, boom, you're the winner.
• You want to rob the bank? Just crack the safe, get the money, walk out, easy.

While these are all true, there's obstacles that make simple tasks difficult. Luffy is not the only one trying to find the One Piece, he has competition from Emperors, Supernova and many other Pirates.

Even stealing a Poneglyph is not easy, we saw what Luffy and co. had to do just to steal Big Mom's Poneglyph. They had to fight to get it. Granted, by the time Brook stole a copy, he was held in Big Mom's arms and they had to sneak into her room and save Brook.
We can look at it from that perspective and said... they could just have escaped at that point and they actually wou;ldn't have needed to confront Big Mom if Sanji just agreed to come with them.

Thing is even then, for Brook to steal that copy, he had to fight. They had to have a stupid amount of luck, they needed allies, they need Brulee hostage, they needed Big Mom's vivre card, they also needed someone who knew the layout of Big Mom's kingdom in and out. Usually, this would be literally impossible, but the SHs get away with it because of luck.
Meaning realistically, one can't even steal a poneglyph copy, you would realistically have to fight because sneaking in is close to impossible.

So, we have the fact:

• One can't sneak into an Emperor's territory and steal a Poneglyph.

This means fighting the Emperors is inevitable for 99.9% of people generally meaning war is the only way to acquire Poneglyphs.

Other obstacle is as we saw... Pirates want to prove their strength. Usopp is asking Luffy what manliness has to do with anything? Luffy's got pride, he has some sense of ego, and fighting fulfils that.
Pirates generally want to prove their strength to be Pirate King, in reality, it's not as simple as just stealing all 4 Poneglyphs and finding Raftel. It's a lot more difficult than that.

What Luffy has done to reach this point seems simple because of luck, Bare in mind, literally everything Luffy has done, people tried to do for years and failed:

• Crocodile's Baroque work was active for years.. it took Luffy a mere few days to end that.
• Enel was in power for years, Luffy took him down in a day? or 2? Something an entire nation couldn't do.
• Luffy broke into Enies Lobby and did the impossible and also survived Buster-call.
• Broke into Impel Down and escaped, something only done by a rival of Roger 20 years ago.
• Dressrosa, we know almost 20 years ago, Sengoku tried to stop Doflamingo and even the RA tried to stop his operations... what took the RA and Navy almost 20 years... Luffy in a day does what they couldn't.

So just imagine... yes, finding One Piece is just going to Raftel. For 800 years, no one accomplished it besides Roger. Luffy's about to do the same. Being pirate King is close to impossible unless you're not just powerful, but incredibly lucky which Luffy has on his side.

Simply put, anything Luffy accomplishes is comically made to look a 101 times easier than it is in reality, and realistically a goal that should be accomplished over decades of planning, not just turning up and taking action without a plan like Luffy does 10/10 times.

To be Pirate King without fighting is pretty much close to impossible given that the odds are so so low.

But there's still the chance of sneaking in, getting the poneglyph or its rubbing, and making it out alive. Other than that, I think we're on the same page, other than Luffy making it look easy. I think Luffy's accomplishments are difficult, but it feels like easy because he doesn't go down, he'll continue to fight until he's sure he's not needed anymore. Being a rubber fruit user and a YOLO person probably helps Luffy a lot.

Luffy's the queen of impossibles though, and it's one of the things that make this manga fun to watch. He'll punch the shit out of a Tenryuubito and put people in danger just because the person hurt his friend. Luffy's not only going to go to Raftel, but he's gonna change the world and bring about a huge change. I think ROger's had the most influence in the entire manga though, despite being dead.

 

[FetherMan]

bruh after luffy beats blackbeard, he'll literally be the strongest pirate. and if theres any marines that could be stronger than him like akainu, theyre gonna be in his way to become pirate king so he'll have to beat them too. so who left? there's no two ways about it. he'll be the strongest just like roger (and WB) was. end of story. you guys gotta stop tryner reinterpret things we've always known

One Piece isn’t DragonBall.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Maybe the DF the gorosei are talking about is law cause it’s been established as the ultimate DF , luffy fruit being secretly special would be cool too

 

[M3J]

Also, while I am 99% confident that Roger did not fight Big Mom when he was trying to get to the Poneglyph, I'm also 99% confident he did clash with her at least once before and likely won. The context based on what we know seems to imply that Roger tried to avoid getting into a fight with her because he wanted to get to Raftel before he died of his illness, as he had little time left.

There's no way Big Mom would let Roger get away with being called the strongest if he didn't beat her, IMO.

 

[Fox666]

Also, while I am 99% confident that Roger did not fight Big Mom when he was trying to get to the Poneglyph, I'm also 99% confident he did clash with her at least once before and likely won. The context based on what we know seems to imply that Roger tried to avoid getting into a fight with her because he wanted to get to Raftel before he died of his illness, as he had little time left.

There's no way Big Mom would let Roger get away with being called the strongest if he didn't beat her, IMO.

If Big Mom lost to either Whitebeard or Roger, it would be enough for any of them to be recognized as stronger than her.

That said, I think Roger did show his superiority to Big Mom when he fought with Garp against Rocks.

 

[M3J]

If Big Mom lost to either Whitebeard or Roger, it would be enough for any of them to be recognized as stronger than her.

That said, I think Roger did show his superiority to Big Mom when he fought with Garp against Rocks.

Could have, but that's up in the air as well. Did either of htem fight Big Mom? Whitebeard? Kaidou? Who fought Xebec? Did they gang upon Xebec? Did Sengoku go up against the underlings while Roger and Garp took on Whitebeard and Xebec or just Xebec?

Plus, wasn't this before Big Mom and Whitebeard were at their prime? Like, the past is still so vague that we can't say this or that happened for sure, yanno?

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Also, while I am 99% confident that Roger did not fight Big Mom when he was trying to get to the Poneglyph, I'm also 99% confident he did clash with her at least once before and likely won. The context based on what we know seems to imply that Roger tried to avoid getting into a fight with her because he wanted to get to Raftel before he died of his illness, as he had little time left.

There's no way Big Mom would let Roger get away with being called the strongest if he didn't beat her, IMO.

99% is very bold.
If we go back to WCI, we were told Kid went to WCI and got chased out which was true. By that, we would also say 99%, Kid didn't fight anyone.
Although when we came to Wano, we were told while he did get chased out of WCI, he did injure a commander, so yes, Roger did leave WCI, but we can't say he definitely didn't fight with Big Mom.

Even Luffy who came to just save Sanji and the Vinsmokes still ended up clashing with Big Mom, so, it's quite possible they did fight and Roger was able to successfully take her down,
On top of that, Big Mom knew Roger used VOAT to read the Poneglyph which may suggest she witnessed Roger do it, so at the very least, there must have been an encounter.

On a different note, Roger's reputation must have been so bad if King thought the closest thing to JoyBoy was Kaido of all people, the warmonger. Then again, only few people knew Roger was a good person.

 

[chess4]

I think Rocks is Shank's father, and Dragon is Rocks younger brother. That would make Liffy and Shanks first cousins. I always thought that Garp took Ace in because he knew that he and Roger were related because of the D. It's not that at all, Rogers knew Garp would do it because he did it before.

I have this strange feeling that Rocks was not entirely a bad guy and during the God Valley incident, he opened Garp and Rogers eyes to the truth of the world. It is too obvious that Rogers took care of a baby Shanks and Buggy. Garp has never referred to Dragon as his son, so I think Garp's daughter fell in love with Dragon and is somehow related to why Dragon is so pissed with the world government.

The Ds are too important to the story for there not to be more known Ds I'm the story I thought. I think Shanks and Kidd both will be revealed to be Ds In the coming chapters.

I also have a theory on Shanks being able to see the future or at least snippets of possible outcomes based on events taking place. I have feeling that he cut Kidds arm off, know that it would play a part in him taking down Big Mom.

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Lastly, I think Shiki will pop up to save Big Mom from being killed, but I think Kaido will die a glorious death defending Luffy because he will realize he is the real Joyboy. Kaido will finally get his wish of dying like Oden and Whitebeard?

I think Kaido's backstop will be tragic because I don't think he started as a bad guy and probably was like his daughter.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think Edward Weevil's soul purpose in this manga is to set up for Blackbeard to order Moriah to steal his shadow and put it into Whitebeard's corpse.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

I think Edward Weevil's soul purpose in this manga is to set up for Blackbeard to order Moriah to steal his shadow and put it into Whitebeard's corpse.

That would be an interesting twist...

Would give Luffy even more reason to hate BB.

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I think Rocks is Shank's father, and Dragon is Rocks younger brother. That would make Liffy and Shanks first cousins. I always thought that Garp took Ace in because he knew that he and Roger were related because of the D. It's not that at all, Rogers knew Garp would do it because he did it before.

I have this strange feeling that Rocks was not entirely a bad guy and during the God Valley incident, he opened Garp and Rogers eyes to the truth of the world. It is too obvious that Rogers took care of a baby Shanks and Buggy. Garp has never referred to Dragon as his son, so I think Garp's daughter fell in love with Dragon and is somehow related to why Dragon is so pissed with the world government.

The Ds are too important to the story for there not to be more known Ds I'm the story I thought. I think Shanks and Kidd both will be revealed to be Ds In the coming chapters.

I also have a theory on Shanks being able to see the future or at least snippets of possible outcomes based on events taking place. I have feeling that he cut Kidds arm off, know that it would play a part in him taking down Big Mom.

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Lastly, I think Shiki will pop up to save Big Mom from being killed, but I think Kaido will die a glorious death defending Luffy because he will realize he is the real Joyboy. Kaido will finally get his wish of dying like Oden and Whitebeard?

I think Kaido's backstop will be tragic because I don't think he started as a bad guy and probably was like his daughter.

I like your Dragon is not Garps son but more like son in law idea. He could have changed his name from Xebec to Monkey for that very reason same as Ace did with Portagas vs Gol.

Some of the rest, especially things like Shiki of all ppl showing up is pretty farfetched.

 

[Core D. Roy]

Quick thought:
How did doflamingo know about the Ope Ope no mi being able to make some immortal? Probably means that it's been done before right?

Doffy knows a lot of secrets about the WG. So maybe the immortality operation was performed on Im-sama?

I've always wondered how the hell Doffy knows so much important shit about the WG when his family left Marijoa when he was a little kid. There's a missing chunk of history with Doffy and the celestial dragons with him coming back, before or during the time he decided to conquer Dressrosa.

 

[AmitDS]

I think Edward Weevil's soul purpose in this manga is to set up for Blackbeard to order Moriah to steal his shadow and put it into Whitebeard's corpse.

Now I want/need a Cindry-esque soul (re)possession of WB.

 

[goldb]

I've always wondered how the hell Doffy knows so much important shit about the WG when his family left Marijoa when he was a little kid. There's a missing chunk of history with Doffy and the celestial dragons with him coming back, before or during the time he decided to conquer Dressrosa.

I always figured that once he got involved in brokering and the underworld, he became aware of secrets or came into the possession of things that would be valuable to the Celestial Dragons; things that most brokers would dismiss, but he wouldn't because having had been a Celestial Dragon himself, he would know of their importance. Basically leveraging knowledge/goods for favours/power. I'm leaning more towards goods or other material things rather than secrets, simply because of who the WG are.

 

[Fox666]

Now I want/need a Cindry-esque soul (re)possession of WB.

Is that guy playing Weevil in the live-action series?

 

[Core D. Roy]

I always figured that once he got involved in brokering and the underworld, he became aware of secrets or came into the possession of things that would be valuable to the Celestial Dragons; things that most brokers would dismiss, but he wouldn't because having had been a Celestial Dragon himself, he would know of their importance. Basically leveraging knowledge/goods for favours/power. I'm leaning more towards goods or other material things rather than secrets, simply because of who the WG are.

There's no shortage of Croc/Doffy comparisons out there, but as a fan that was only moderately interested in either... I'm legit high-excited to learn about both of these characters in a post-Wano world. Last we saw of Croc he was looking mighty comfy, reading the papers about Luffy's exploits, and similarly Doffy was last seen getting some newspaper deets but sweating about being assassinated.

 

[goldb]

There's no shortage of Croc/Doffy comparisons out there, but as a fan that was only moderately interested in either... I'm legit high-excited to learn about both of these characters in a post-Wano world. Last we saw of Croc he was looking mighty comfy, reading the papers about Luffy's exploits, and similarly Doffy was last seen getting some newspaper deets but sweating about being assassinated.

Doflamingo is ripe for the picking where he is, I wouldn't be surprised if the next time we have any update of his character, he has been assassinated by Cipher Pol agents or worse, taken to Imu's big strawhat freezer.

As for Crocodile, I really want him to show up again, with more than just a panel. I'm curious as to how far into the NW he's gotten and details of his new crew.

 

[McNuss]

Doflamingo is ripe for the picking where he is, I wouldn't be surprised if the next time we have any update of his character, he has been assassinated by Cipher Pol agents or worse, taken to Imu's big strawhat freezer.

Doubt it. Oda barely kills his characters.
And Mingo is a fan favorite.

So even though he is just as despicable as Vergo, Monet and Absalom, people wouldn't feel his death justified. And he isn't Pedro either, who had "I'm going to die" pretty much written on his forehead.

While there would certainly be some dramatic shock value, nothing really changes narratively from eliminating Doflamingo now that he is in prison.

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As for Crocodile, I really want him to show up again, with more than just a panel. I'm curious as to how far into the NW he's gotten and details of his new crew.

Crocodile and Daz Bones are quite endangered as they are among the only powerful fruit users in the New World that have no kind of occupation that could prevent them from being hunted down by Blackbeard.

However, for the above reasons, I highly doubt Crocodile dies and his fruit would also be a tad too broken for a second or third tier Strawhat opponent. Daz Bones though, I am very, very afraid... He is the archetype of expendable.