One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[M3J]

Doesn't make sense no matter how I look at it.
I mean, there were many fights Luffy didn't witness first hand and we the audience did and armament hardening (Koka) was used - off my head is Vergo vs Law and Smoker.
So saying it's the view of Luffy extrapolated to the audience is an extreme stretch.

Luckily it's a theory that seems to have no ground and as you said, is an extreme stretch. I think it's just a simple case of Oda having fleshed things out during or after the time-skip.

 

[HereNThere]

Jeah. but then he just reassembles himself... and no real damage was done, thats why he is special.Just because you used haki on your slash and hurt him in the progress, you dont nullify the abilities of his body. You can cut his arm off... he just callls it back. Same with his friggin head.

He should be no different than Luffy or Katakuri. If he's attacked by a blade coated in haki, he should be truly cut, blood and all, with no potential to piece that part of him back together as he normally would.

 

[nik87]

With Haki, he will definitely be harmed.

Ok, let's assume that it is so. You cut Buggy's limb off with Haki, he attaches the parts back together. What did you accomplish, where is the damage?

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Ok, let's assume that it is so. You cut Buggy's limb off with Haki, he attaches the parts back together. What did you accomplish, where is the damage?

He'll be injured and bleed at the area where he's cut. But unlike regular humans, he can always reattach his limbs.
Having the ability to split will not save him from being harmed by Haki users.

 

[nik87]

He'll be injured and bleed at the area where he's cut. But unlike regular humans, he can always reattach his limbs.
Having the ability to split will not save him from being harmed by Haki users.

Why would he bleed from a cut when there is no cut after he re-attaches it back together?

 

[Shasha23]

Why would he bleed from a cut when there is no cut after he re-attaches it back together?

If he for example he gets his hand cut off, he wont be able to reattach it like it was before, he would need to always use his ability to move the hand, but if he gets his head cut off then its GG no coming back from that.

 

[Fox666]

IMHO you guys have too much conviction about how a magical ability works.

Luffy's ability turn him into rubber. Unlike a regular person, he can survive even if his body is squished. However, Haki can still hurt his "real body".

Buggy's ability turn him into a creature that can survive even if sliced into small pieces. Would a Haki slash just turn him into small pieces, or would it hurt his "real body"?

 

[nik87]

If he for example he gets his hand cut off, he wont be able to reattach it like it was before, he would need to always use his ability to move the hand, but if he gets his head cut off then its GG no coming back from that.

In that case, Haki would prevent Buggy's DF from working and that's never the case.

 

[Shasha23]

In that case, Haki would prevent Buggy's DF from working and that's never the case.

How would it?
Buggy's DF works just fine but if cut with haki then he stays cut, it would be the same if a logia lost a limb in battle that limb wont be regenerating again.

 

[XXGenesis]

Haki doesnt prevent Buggy's fruit from working....it simply harms him...


As somebody said if he gets his hand chopped off..Hell still be able to move it..

 

[HereNThere]

As somebody said if he gets his hand chopped off..Hell still be able to move it..

I'm not totally sold on that personally.

Aokiji is an ice man, yet Akainu was able to permanently sever his leg.

On the same token, Aokiji was able to grievously scar Akainu, despite Akainu being a magma man.

Once haki hits you, the damage is permanent. So Buggy's severed arm should be "dead" and unresponsive to his fruit abilities.

 

[nik87]

How would it?
Buggy's DF works just fine but if cut with haki then he stays cut, it would be the same if a logia lost a limb in battle that limb wont be regenerating again.

As somebody said if he gets his hand chopped off..Hell still be able to move it..

But Buggy's fruit allows him to re-attach the cut parts, logia doesnt allow that.
If he cannot put his body together after Haki slashes, his fruit isnt working and it should since Haki doesnt prevent any fruit from working.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I'm not totally sold on that personally.

Aokiji is an ice man, yet Akainu was able to permanently sever his leg.

On the same token, Aokiji was able to grievously scar Akainu, despite Akainu being a magma man.

Once haki hits you, the damage is permanent. So Buggy's severed arm should be "dead" and unresponsive to his fruit abilities.

Their battles lasted for days and resulted probably in: who got more stamina. in the end none of the two could regenerate their wounds because they werent able too. Their DF abilities were exhausted. A vaporized leg from an unconscious Aokiji cant regenerate.

We have seen with Buggy that his parts were shot across eastblue and he still could merge with them .

 

[HereNThere]

Their battles lasted for days and resulted probably in: who got more stamina. in the end none of the two could regenerate their wounds because they werent able too. Their DF abilities were exhausted. A vaporized leg from an unconscious Aokiji cant regenerate.

We have seen with Buggy that his parts were shot across eastblue and he still could merge with them .

Kuzan has several scars from the fight, I doubt all of them were at the tail end of the scuffle. Same with Akainu. Hell, especially with Akainu, who theroetically holds the elemental advantage over Aokiji, yet still had scars from their fight.

Buggy's parts were just separated from the range of his influence. They weren't severed by the use of haki.

I think Occam's Razor fits the bill in this situation. Haki has been shown to harm DF users of various types of body altering abilities. Therefore, Buggy, who is such a user, would be vulnerable to a Haki infused blade attack. There is no real reason to believe that that wouldn't be the case.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I think Occam's Razor fits the bill in this situation. Haki has been shown to harm DF users of various types of body altering abilities. Therefore, Buggy, who is such a user, would be vulnerable to a Haki infused blade attack. There is no real reason to believe that that wouldn't be the case.

I see that, but like i said in terms of cutting Buggys fruit is truly special. You can defeat him easily per blunt force etc. But severed limps etc., dont have any impact of him. His DF Powers are in every pore of his body. But we arguing in a circle, lets see if we get a panel in the near future who shows us what happens.

 

[HereNThere]

His DF Powers are in every pore of his body. But we arguing in a circle, lets see if we get a panel in the near future who shows us what happens.

That's the case with every DF user, but I agree. We'll just have to wait.

 

[King Moe]

It's Sanji, Jimbei, and then Zoro if we judging by feats and performance. After 4 hype tool fights, Zoro lost of his hype since then with whole fanbase and they are measuring him better. Sanji and Jimbei have done better than him looking at the statics.

 

[XXGenesis]

I'm not totally sold on that personally.

Aokiji is an ice man, yet Akainu was able to permanently sever his leg.

On the same token, Aokiji was able to grievously scar Akainu, despite Akainu being a magma man.

Once haki hits you, the damage is permanent. So Buggy's severed arm should be "dead" and unresponsive to his fruit abilities.

Yea, your right. I shortly started to think about it. Whatever limb is lost due to a haki attack..that limb is now severed from its main body. It has no more DF powers.

But Buggy's fruit allows him to re-attach the cut parts, logia doesnt allow that.
If he cannot put his body together after Haki slashes, his fruit isnt working and it should since Haki doesnt prevent any fruit from working.

So does a logia..they can be shot apart by bazookas & guns and reform..if those were haki bullets, they ain't regrowing a real arm back..only a prostehtic with DF powers if such Is possible

 

[Fox666]

But we arguing in a circle, lets see if we get a panel in the near future who shows us what happens.

We are not going see Buggy being killed

 

[HereNThere]

We are not going see Buggy being killed

To be fair, he wouldn't have to be killed. A small nick on the cheek would work as proof.