One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

They all got knocked out with lightning attack, and Usopp and Sanji were able to get up and help save Nami. No one else was.
Plus, I think Sanji and Usopp woke up on their own while Zoro and others were at the site of fight and disturbance.

We can do this durability bullshit all day, but it doesn't change the fact that the trio are extremely durable when they need to be. Maybe Zoro was chosen to take in Luffy's pain as a way of showing his growth, as he went from willing to kill Luffy if Luffy stood in his way of his dream to willing to sacrifice his dream so Luffy can achieve his. Zoro is probably the most durable while Sanji is the least, but they're still on the same tier.

This whole versus thing is annoying as hell and spawns countless of dumb arguments where both sides are selective.

 

[Shasha23]

You must have forgotten that Enel went to merry and knocked them out before the battle even started and they only woke up after The fighting in the jungle was done!
Also the attack he used on them were not even named but casual attacks he used on fodder, the only named attack Sanji tanked was after saving Nami and he woke up during the celebrations, I don’t know what your aim is by trying to give Sanji feats he doesn’t have so ill just take it you forgot about the events of that arc

 

[thedude]

They all got knocked out with lightning attack, and Usopp and Sanji were able to get up and help save Nami. No one else was.
Plus, I think Sanji and Usopp woke up on their own while Zoro and others were at the site of fight and disturbance.

We can do this durability bullshit all day, but it doesn't change the fact that the trio are extremely durable when they need to be. Maybe Zoro was chosen to take in Luffy's pain as a way of showing his growth, as he went from willing to kill Luffy if Luffy stood in his way of his dream to willing to sacrifice his dream so Luffy can achieve his. Zoro is probably the most durable while Sanji is the least, but they're still on the same tier.

This whole versus thing is annoying as hell and spawns countless of dumb arguments where both sides are selective.

Good point in the story aspect of Zoro taking luffys pain in TB. Oda chose him for story reasons. Putting his crew first instead of his ambition, a change in his character, one Mihawk even noted when Zoro begged for training.

And Zoro was literally knocked out just this arc for far less damage than either he or Sanji has during TB. Maybe Oda knocks characters out for story reasons...nah, he clearly has a power level chart that he references for each action a character has, that makes more sense...

 

[Mwhitt]

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@thedude @M3J I would ignore them you guys are wasting your time. Hopefully new chapter saves us from this Zoro vs Sanji purgatory hell we are stuck in. With that being said can't wait to have to defend Apoo after this chapter lol.

 

[thedude]

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@thedude @M3J I would ignore them you guys are wasting your time. Hopefully new chapter saves us from this Zoro vs Sanji purgatory hell we are stuck in. With that being said can't wait to have to defend Apoo after this chapter lol.

Apoo is in the category of Foxy and other Paramecia users whose powers are really strong. I wonder what the SN (non-SH's) ranking would be?

Kid=Law
Apoo=Hawkins=Drake=Urouge
Bege
Bonny
Killer

Can't really rank Bonney and Killer to be honest. I don't think Killer with a different weapon and mentally broken is his full power, but I don't think he's above any of the captains, other than Bonney probably.

I'd also put my first two levels very close. I just think Kid/Law are the end game "friendly rivals" for Luffy so they are and will be stronger than the rest.

 

[Mwhitt]

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Apoo is in the category of Foxy and other Paramecia users whose powers are really strong. I wonder what the SN (non-SH's) ranking would be?

Kid=Law
Apoo=Hawkins=Drake=Urouge
Bege
Bonny
Killer

Can't really rank Bonney and Killer to be honest. I don't think Killer with a different weapon and mentally broken is his full power, but I don't think he's above any of the captains, other than Bonney probably.

I'd also put my first two levels very close. I just think Kid/Law are the end game "friendly rivals" for Luffy so they are and will be stronger than the rest.

Hopefully Drake will get to show he is up there with Kidd and Law but I do agree Kidd and Law should be end game rivals/companions (more Law's thing). Killer I believe is still up there with the rest of the males. It was brief but Killer was still going toe to toe with Urouge in Saboady. Zoro also acknowledged Killer was strong. People also forget that Killer and Zoro fought for an unspecified amount of time and that only changed because the fox attacked Zoro and gave Killer an opening which he took advantage of. Zoro also used the situation to land his attack which ended the fight but he went down to. I mean Zoro is still Zoro so Killer still impressed me with his attack power. I would have Killer with Hawkins, Urouge, Apoo or maybe a little lower not at the bottom for me.

I understand your reasoning though. Bonney will likely be at the bottom cause well Oda.

 

[Brandish μ]

Guys, please don't discuss spoilers here until 24hrs after the chap drops, unless you use spoiler tags.

 

[thedude]

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Hopefully Drake will get to show he is up there with Kidd and Law but I do agree Kidd and Law should be end game rivals/companions (more Law's thing). Killer I believe is still up there with the rest of the males. It was brief but Killer was still going toe to toe with Urouge in Saboady. Zoro also acknowledged Killer was strong. People also forget that Killer and Zoro fought for an unspecified amount of time and that only changed because the fox attacked Zoro and gave Killer an opening which he took advantage of. Zoro also used the situation to land his attack which ended the fight but he went down to. I mean Zoro is still Zoro so Killer still impressed me with his attack power. I would have Killer with Hawkins, Urouge, Apoo or maybe a little lower not at the bottom for me.

I understand your reasoning though. Bonney will likely be at the bottom cause well Oda.

i wasn't really putting Killer at the bottom so much as not rating him given lack of data. His fight with Zoro is like you said, unspecified time, but he was also handicapped by his mental state, so I can't say "that shows Killer is weaker by X amount".

 

[King Moe]

Enel knocked out Sanji and Usopp for majority of the arc with a casual nameless attack.
Zoro and Robin took named attacks and woke up faster than Sanji did.

There has never been any instance where Sanji has show equal or better durability than Zoro!

Actually Sanji tank named attack by Enel and did something to make him regret afterwards while Zoro was treated like a bitch under Enel's foot. Portrayals shows especially in same arc right now, Sanji has better tanking than man who fainted from a casual stab of unnamed attack. Using pre-timeskip feats are irrelevant if their current situations doesn't show like that.

Sanji has better durability feats than him and this isn't first time he shown it. Get off your headcannon and admit when you beat.

 

[Takuan]

Sanji has better durability feats than him

Alright now that's just preposterous

 

[King Moe]

Alright now that's just preposterous

Looking at current with one tanking T6Hs and Supernova attacks and one getting injured by nerf pleasure to lead fainting, yeah it's preporterous to say Zoro is durability. If we talking about Jimbei, I can accept that, but Zoro got hype tool this arc badly.

 

[nik87]

Zoro is the true endurance king, not Luffy. It has always been like that from the start of the manga and it wont change.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro is the true endurance king, not Luffy. It has always been like that from the start of the manga and it wont change.

Luffy v Katakuri proved this wrong a long time ago

 

[Fox666]

There's durability and there's endurance. Durability is how much damage your body can take. Endurance is for how long you can push yourself.

I don't think Zoro or Sanji have any extraordinary endurance. Luffy is the only one special in that aspect.

It's even crazier when you think that Gear 2 increase Luffy's metabolism. He's the only one who could fight at 200% for a full day.

 

[M3J]

You must have forgotten that Enel went to merry and knocked them out before the battle even started and they only woke up after The fighting in the jungle was done!
Also the attack he used on them were not even named but casual attacks he used on fodder, the only named attack Sanji tanked was after saving Nami and he woke up during the celebrations, I don’t know what your aim is by trying to give Sanji feats he doesn’t have so ill just take it you forgot about the events of that arc

No, I know Enel had to do a sneak attack on them and take them out. EVen after the damage Sanji and Usopp took, they were able to get in Enel's way and make it harder for him to carry out his plan.

It doesn't even matter whether they're named or not, they're still potent attacks. He took two of them, which Zoro and others didn't. Sanji has feats there, no matter how much you try to ignore it or rewrite the arc as you wish it was written.

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@thedude @M3J I would ignore them you guys are wasting your time. Hopefully new chapter saves us from this Zoro vs Sanji purgatory hell we are stuck in. With that being said can't wait to have to defend Apoo after this chapter lol.

Nah, I'm doing it because I'm bored, otherwise I know they have nothing to argue with.

 

[Shasha23]

No, I know Enel had to do a sneak attack on them and take them out. EVen after the damage Sanji and Usopp took, they were able to get in Enel's way and make it harder for him to carry out his plan.

It doesn't even matter whether they're named or not, they're still potent attacks. He took two of them, which Zoro and others didn't. Sanji has feats there, no matter how much you try to ignore it or rewrite the arc as you wish it was written.

Your main point was that Sanji dealt better with Enel's attack which he didnt, he wasnt able to cope with the thunder attacks thats why from early in the day just as the battle/war started, he took a nameless attack that knocked him out until the battle was done, and the 2nd attack he took he tanked it like a boss and said "thanks for the light" but even then that attack took him out until the celebrations started.

LOL No Enels attacks vary depending on how much power he discharges, he even says how much power he discharges per attack.
Zoro took 3 attacks and only 1 of them KO'd him for a little bit while the 1st and 3nd didnt, i think you should stop with this claims and go back and read that arc again because you have facts twisted.

No one said Sanji doesnt have feats, but you claiming he has feats he doesnt have is a problem, but seeing as i have been pointing this out to you now for a while but you are still refusing to accept what the manga shown us i will give up on you since its pretty clear at this point you are refusing to accept what Oda shown us in that arc!

 

[nik87]

Luffy v Katakuri proved this wrong a long time ago

Funny enough, it's an arc where Zoro isnt present because he dwarfed his endurance in every arc expect EL where Kaku wasnt strong enough to push Zoro further than getting negged the moment Zoro pulled a power-up.
Now, Wano is where Zoro's endurance strikes back and the king of endurance wants his throne back. As we can see today:

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He is off to a good start with ignoring his chest being sliced open

 

[Pirate Queen]

Ahhh, the lies we tell ourselves.

 

[M3J]

No one but Luffy was able to cope with the thunder attacks, but Sanji and Usopp were able to get up when Enel was fighting and make a difference. Nameless or not, lightning is still not a fun thing to get hit by. Bringing up "nameless attack" is also a dumb point if it looks like the same attack with little to no difference, unless you can somehow prove it's different/weaker. Sanji was still able to get up in time for the celebrations despite being hit with lightning twice.

I still don't see how not naming his attacks mean he didn't put in max power. True, Zoro did, but he still didn't join the fight when he got back up like Sanji and Usopp did.

He has feats, and Oda has shown us. I can't help it if you continue to ignore it, that's your problem, not mine.

 

[thedude]

Zoro the endurance king...unless he gets stabbed once and gets knocked out for multiple hours...lol

One of the more consistent aspects of Zoro is he gets knocked out a lot. Buggy did it. Mihawk did it (no shame). Mr 1 did it (Zoro won, but the fight knocked him out after). Enel did it. Killer did it. Durability is too random, i don't get why people want to hold it up as his thing.