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Most of what's needed to be said about this Zoro power level and limits has been said, I've just gone back a week's worth of posts and it's literally the same things being repeated. A lot of what has been mentioned in terms of the character and his limit is speculative until we see him pushed in this arc(hopefully), so we can re-evaluate these points afer the fact.
I will be deleting any of the same arguments unless you can provide manga/databook evidence to continue this, so the onus is on you.

There's been too many snide, troll and passive aggressive posts recently. I don't care if you agree with each other or not. If you can't defend your arguments or have nothing constructive to add, then re-evaluate its necessity. I definitely don't want to see any bashing; of character or users.

Also, any discussions not relating to power level will be treated as off-topic, so please take those the correct threads( spoiler: there are pages of threads) or make one. I'll pin this to the top of the page.

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On panel - hitting Marco and Luffy and Chinjao.
Off panel - cornering Roger and fighting Rocks crew. Mountains as training vs Chinjao. Team-up vs Shiki.

I am sure Mihawk has more in both on panel and off panel.
Aside from slashing a frozen wave, what else on panel?
 

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again, with all the talks about panels, shouldnt that apply to Roger too? We've seen one panel where they clashed. Regarding titles, sure that is important and perhaps true but no battles there... so if anything Roger Garp isnt conclusive..
We saw how both Roger and Whitebeard handle the weapon users, with their own weapons. Garp hasnt shown how he handles sharp weapons.
There is no Roger vs Garp, not even one panel. There is rumor of cornering him many times and that could as well be each of them standing on their ships.
Aside from slashing a frozen wave, what else on panel?
Slash towards Whitebeard? Slash towards Luffy through the battlefield? Clash with Vista? Clash with Sir Crocodile? Plenty of on panel feats for Mihawk...
 

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We saw how both Roger and Whitebeard handle the weapon users, with their own weapons. Garp hasnt shown how he handles sharp weapons.
alright, so Roger is greater than Garp because he's a weapon user... gotcha.... thanks
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There is no Roger vs Garp, not even one panel. There is rumor of cornering him many times and that could as well be each of them standing on their ships.
yep, there isnt... and like i said, Roger has fought only on one panel. So if we have to base Garp as weak cos we've seen only a few, same should apply to Roger too.. that's the bottomline
 

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yep, there isnt... and like i said, Roger has fought only on one panel. So if we have to base Garp as weak cos we've seen only a few, same should apply to Roger too.. that's the bottomline
No, you are missing the point. It is not about few panels from Garp. It is about 0 panels from Garp showing how he deals with sharp weapons.
 

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How many panels are there showing how Mihawk deals with fists?
 

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How many panels are there showing how Mihawk deals with fists?
The same how he deals with weapons except it is far easier?
 

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Luffy was much weaker than anyone on Marineford. Is that the best Mihawk can do?
 

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Luffy was much weaker than anyone on Marineford. Is that the best Mihawk can do?
Cracker vs Luffy should paint you a better picture how a hand fares versus a sword. Cant use "much weaker" excuse now.
 

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Luffy was much weaker than anyone on Marineford.
Come again?
Luffy was by far stronger than majority of the people at the war
 

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Cracker vs Luffy should paint you a better picture how a hand fares versus a sword. Cant use "much weaker" excuse now.
I see, that's a very impressive feat from Mihawk.

Going by that logic, Luffy vs Arlong shows how Garp deals with swords.
 

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Luffy breaks the sword?
Luffy never broke the Pretzel afaik, especially not with his hand. He made sure to keep them away from the sword after it was nearly cut off.
 

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Going by that logic, Luffy vs Arlong shows how Garp deals with swords.
Or Sabo vs Bastille


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I said that Roger fought people before he even thought about sailing to Raftel or becoming the Pirate King. When he was looking for a Poneglyph to get to Raftel, he found Big Mom's and avoided fighting her. Roger could be weak as hell, but if he managed to get away because he's good at escaping, then that'd be more important because he can avoid fights.

Luffy's statement is based on him wanting to fight the Emperors. It's a choice, not a necessity. Same with fighting the Marines. All three characters have no problem with fighting.

And yet, Whitebeard was never a Pirate King, the only one who was reached Raftel and so far, was said to not have fought Big Mom. But then again, you agree here, we just disagree on strength being a necessity as well. In Luffy's case though, I don't disagree as he plans to fight and likes to fight people.
All I know is that in the manga him being Pirate King is always met with people talking about strength, beating the emperors/admirals, being the strongest, conquering the seas, finding OP, having it all etc. so clearly it's not only about reaching Raftel even though it is actually impossible in verse to reach Raftel without ever fighting anyone.
Big Mom talks about beating the other emperors as something that would allow her to snatch the title of PK and WB who was known as the strongest was stated to be the one closest to the title, clearly showing that the Pirate King title entails power and isn't about navigational feats only.

If it wasn't about power then the emperors, supernova and shichibukai wouldn't be thought of to the the closest to OP. Everyone would have an equal chance. So based on all the manga info we have from the start to now, to be PK, one needs to reach Raftel after conquering the obstacles that stand in the way and Luffy will surpass Roger at least because he's uncovering the truth about the void century at the right time (to make a difference).

A weak pirate who finds raftel etc. would not be one who is free, conquered the seas or one who has fame, power, wealth etc. He'd basically be Usopp's version i.e. someone who took a shortcut and got to Raftel without putting in the work. This is why WB was the closest to being the PK, because his power equaled Roger's so he only needed to find Raftel, OP etc to claim the title for his own.

You're using Usopp saying that just finding Raftel by having Rayleigh give all the answers, would make Luffy PK as if it's a fact when Luffy similarly stated that defeating the emperors and admirals would be something he needs to do to be PK. So why is only Usopp right but everyone else (Luffy, Big Mom, Rayleigh, Chinjao etc.) wrong?


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Um correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Luffy literally say he'd surpass Roger? Lol
 

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Shanks knows he can't stop WB but he is more than capable of stopping Kaido is the most likely to have happened
Not disagreeing but I always felt Kaido trying to stop whitebeard was like his own suicide mission... If whitebeard is dead, nobody can kill him..... farfteched, but would be true to his character.

t is not about few panels from Garp. It is about 0 panels from Garp showing how he deals with sharp weapons.
Yes, and that proves nothing... till you argue that blades > fists.....
 

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Not disagreeing but I always felt Kaido trying to stop whitebeard was like his own suicide mission... If whitebeard is dead, nobody can kill him..... farfteched, but would be true to his character.


Yes, and that proves nothing... till you argue that blades > fists.....
Wild theory Shanks had to ensure WB and Ace died so that Luffy had a clear path to the throne and Kaido saving WB would have ruined everything lol
 

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Wild theory Shanks had to ensure WB and Ace died so that Luffy had a clear path to the throne and Kaido saving WB would have ruined everything lol
That's a very weird theory considering Whitebeard had no aspiration to become Pirate King, and Shanks himself could have trained Luffy to fight Ace if need be. I can't see Shanks doing something like that though, he should know how Luffy would feel about stuff like that. Didn't Ace even say he wanted to see Luffy become Pirate King?
 

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That's a very weird theory considering Whitebeard had no aspiration to become Pirate King, and Shanks himself could have trained Luffy to fight Ace if need be. I can't see Shanks doing something like that though, he should know how Luffy would feel about stuff like that. Didn't Ace even say he wanted to see Luffy become Pirate King?
Let me dream my nonsense dreams yo.
 

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Yes, and that proves nothing... till you argue that blades > fists.....
It proves everything. Not a single instance in 22 years explains how barehanded combatant will deal with a sword.
Yes, blade>fist was shown on panel, Luffy vs Cracker has spoon-fed it to all of us but some still question the superiority of the sword.
 
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