One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

As much as I dislike this story telling choice , till the official translation comes out , it’s kinda implied

Bro no. It. *Isn't*

 

[albertwv]

Spoiler: 1032

Just reread the King vs Zolo new chapter fight.
No, this does not mean King's defense > Kaido's defense or even close to King > Kaido.
Kaido doesnt bother defending or dodging attacks as we've seen 9RS vs Kaido, 5 SNs vs Kaido, Yamato vs Kaido. Especially in Dragon form, Kaido doesnt bother dodging or defending because he is overconfident that no attack will phase him much less defeat him.
King defended himself with his durable wings from the Great Dragon Twister attack. This means King was not confident he would come out unharmed from that attack if he hadnt defended himself, also you can see King avoiding the 360 flying cannon attack in midair.

King talks about how durable his defense is compared to a Dragon, saying it is better. But that doesnt necessarily mean King is stronger than Kaido. Is like saying Ulti's head attack is stronger than Kaidos head attack. It could be, but thats because Ultis dinosaur df specializes in that area, while Dragon Kaidos head has not shown durability in attack. Regardless, I am not going to claim Ulti's attack power > Kaido attack

It is impressive that King defended himself from Zolos attack that made Dragon Kaido bleed and cry out, but it seems anybody on the roof can cut (make bleed and cry out) Kaido in Dragon form.

@LadyVados yes i am calling you crazy.

 

[XXGenesis]

Spoiler: 1032

King Wing’s when used to block has more durability than Kaidou’s scales in Dragon form…..Ok so What!! Kaido didn’t try to block & as to why he was damage….If Kaido used CoA to defend on the roof , none of the SN are damaging him…WtF?!?!?!

It’s not like King Blocked some huge attack. He blocked Emma’s sword strikes with his wings. There’s a reason to why he dodged the 360 pound cannon, that would have did damage…If Zoro pours more Haki into Enma King’s win are getting cut…

Relax Zoro hasn’t fully mastered how much Haki is needed to use Enma the way he wants to…Enma is a magic sword more magic and potent, than any sword he’s got. Him getting a new sword always been a power up, is giving him a power up & acces to a form of Haki he can’t use on his own yet…

 

[Fox666]

Spoiler: 1032

Call me crazy, but did the latest chapter just prove that King is more durable than Kaido ?

Spoiler: 1032

Any opponent of Luffy, Zoro, Law, Kidd, Killer or any of the Scabbards that didn't get easily injured is more durable than Kaido

 

[Crimson Ice]

Spoiler: 1032

Just reread the King vs Zolo new chapter fight.
No, this does not mean King's defense > Kaido's defense or even close to King > Kaido.
Kaido doesnt bother defending or dodging attacks as we've seen 9RS vs Kaido, 5 SNs vs Kaido, Yamato vs Kaido. Especially in Dragon form, Kaido doesnt bother dodging or defending because he is overconfident that no attack will phase him much less defeat him.
King defended himself with his durable wings from the Great Dragon Twister attack. This means King was not confident he would come out unharmed from that attack if he hadnt defended himself, also you can see King avoiding the 360 flying cannon attack in midair.

King talks about how durable his defense is compared to a Dragon, saying it is better. But that doesnt necessarily mean King is stronger than Kaido. Is like saying Ulti's head attack is stronger than Kaidos head attack. It could be, but thats because Ultis dinosaur df specializes in that area, while Dragon Kaidos head has not shown durability in attack. Regardless, I am not going to claim Ulti's attack power > Kaido attack

It is impressive that King defended himself from Zolos attack that made Dragon Kaido bleed and cry out, but it seems anybody on the roof can cut (make bleed and cry out) Kaido in Dragon form.

@LadyVados yes i am calling you crazy.

Spoiler

Just a quick heads up, I think when he mentioned dragons he was talking about the dragon type zoans; the dinosaurs. But yeah, King is not more durable as Kaido, not even close.

Actually nvm

 

[Pirate Queen]

Beating someone and being on their level are two different things. Luffy wasn't katakuri's level when he beat him and he wasn't on doflamingo's.
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How are you not sipping the kool-aid but then say Luffy bet Katakuri?

Katauri let Luffy win

 

[KingRiel]

If King was Luffy's main opponent, Luffy would not hold back. King would be instantly overwhelmed.

If he was willing to go G4 with Ulti what makes you thing he wouldn't with King?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 19, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 19, 2021 ---

There is evidence that Luffy can fight Yonko. There is no evidence that 1 v 1 Zoro could handle King. Let alone Kaido or Big Mom, without outside assistance.

there is evidence of that in the whole manga, zoro was always close to luffy in power, he's still behind luffy, but close.

 

[Pirate Queen]

there is evidence of that in the whole manga, zoro was always close to luffy in power, he's still behind luffy, but close.

Not according the current showing.

They were close in the sense that of all the strawhats, Zoro was the closest to Luffy.

But it's more apparent than ever that Luffy really is a Tier or 2 above Zoro.

And it makes sense and shouldn't be a hot take. How can Zoro possibly compete with Luffy whose has all forms of Advanced haki and nearly maxed out stats in every category? Zoro doesn't even have Advanced CoA mastered fully yet, and that is a haki he has an aptitude for.

Luffy's devil fruit hasn't even awakened yet.

 

[Ellenate]

How are you not sipping the kool-aid but then say Luffy bet Katakuri?

Katauri let Luffy win

You saying luffy couldn't take katakuri even after he stabbed himself... now you talking my language.

...they're going to kick you out of the cult if you keep spittin facts.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You saying luffy couldn't take katakuri even after he stabbed himself... now you talking my language.

...they're going to kick you out of the cult if you keep spittin facts.

Manga facts are manga facts whether you are a fanboi/gurl of a character or not

 

[Ellenate]

Manga facts are manga facts whether you are a fanboi/gurl of a character or not

i always saw that fight as katakuri letting him win so i never examined it but-

him stabbing himself was still not enough of an advantage for luffy to win.
he basically had to say f*** it and lay down still to give him the win.

then luffy stood up like he really did something...

that's honestly pretty sad ngl

 

[M3J]

To be fair, Luffy took tons of beating from Katakuri prior to that moment, so he must have been in more pain. If not for that, who knows. But to claim he's now on an emperor level, at this moment, is quite ridiculous when he got his ass handed to him by Kaidou multiple time already. None of the supernovas are, until they can fight on an even footing (or mostly even footing even if they are weaker) with an emperor.

 

[Pirate Queen]

i always saw that fight as katakuri letting him win so i never examined it but-

him stabbing himself was still not enough of an advantage for luffy to win.
he basically had to say f*** it and lay down still to give him the win.

then luffy stood up like he really did something...

that's honestly pretty sad ngl

The second Katakuri started respecting Luffy he lost the mental aspect of the fight. Which Oda considers Luffys real victories.

Luffy just wasn't a match for Katakuri until the middle of the fight.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 19, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 19, 2021 ---

To be fair, Luffy took tons of beating from Katakuri prior to that moment, so he must have been in more pain. If not for that, who knows. But to claim he's now on an emperor level, at this moment, is quite ridiculous when he got his ass handed to him by Kaidou multiple time already. None of the supernovas are, until they can fight on an even footing (or mostly even footing even if they are weaker) with an emperor.

 

[Ketimatsu]

Why are we having a non-sense discussion about power level again? That's not Dragon Ball we are talking about... that's the beauty of OP, it is all about match ups and power, and why it is not always the strongest who wins a fight. if Luffy was not in rubber, Enel would have disposed of him in one second.

First moment Luffy makes a careless move as he usually does when he fights, Zoro would cut his arms off. Game Over

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why are we having a non-sense discussion about power level again? That's not Dragon Ball we are talking about... that's the beauty of OP, it is all about match ups and power, and why it is not always the strongest who wins a fight. if Luffy was not in rubber, Enel would have disposed of him in one second.

First moment Luffy makes a careless move as he usually does when he fights, Zoro would cut his arms off. Game Over

How are you going to bitch about us talking about power levels and then end it by saying Zoro is able to cut Luffy's arms off?

Get over yourself

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Why are we having a non-sense discussion about power level again? That's not Dragon Ball we are talking about... that's the beauty of OP, it is all about match ups and power, and why it is not always the strongest who wins a fight. if Luffy was not in rubber, Enel would have disposed of him in one second.

First moment Luffy makes a careless move as he usually does when he fights, Zoro would cut his arms off. Game Over

besides luffy and veeery few exceptions, the stronger of two fighters IS normally the one to win. at least in higher level fights. lower level guys can get cheesed by dumb stuff but higher level guys are more rounded and complete in their abilities. take WB for an extreme example. you cant beat him with hax. only real skill. this match up stuff is a myth that people exaggerate after seeing stuff like luffy getting bodied by things like nora nora beam. but luffy is an exception because he is the main character and the author loves to make him look dumb and weak so that his victories look better. but power levels are actually very rigid. so no zoro doesnt cut luffy's arm in any world but imagination land.

 

[AmitDS]

A lot to unpack

The fact that you're having to pick at semantics and actually arguing whether Kaido is in fact stronger than King is so unfortunate. King is not stronger than Kaido, he doesn't possess stronger AP than Kaido, he's not more durable than Kaido. Marco was wrangling both him and Queen while Kaido was fighting a gauntlet. Marco injured King and had him bleeding so...

Pre-conceived notions or whatever? You guys are literally foaming at the mouth trying to convince everyone that King is secretly some sort of Kaido-equivalent because you need Zoro's opponent to be as strong or stronger than Luffy's xD
You're the one twisting King's line to mean that he's legit tankier than Kaido lol It's the irony for me. Kaido's whole schtick is tankiness and tenacity but now we're pretending that King is magically superior to him in that department.

King is going to be defeated by a ~YC1 levelled Zoro while Kaido is going to be pyrrhically defeated by Luffy after how many rematches and gauntlets later lol. I'm not saying anything else on this matter, these things can be discussed further in the Power Level Discussion Thread.

P.S. ZoLo will never be stronger than Luffy.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 20, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 20, 2021 ---

How are you going to bitch about us talking about power levels and then end it by saying Zoro is able to cut Luffy's arms off?

Get over yourself

I hope Zoro has a backup magic sword after Luffy's AdCoA/AdCoC breaks it.

 

[Aaaa]

One thing we’ve seen from Zoro’s past fights is that they follow the same pattern, especially against tough opponents. First he gets overwhelmed, then he figures out their techniques/or how to actually wound them. And then he one shots them lol. That’s been the pattern for many of his fights since the start. Calling it now he will one shot King during the climax of their battle

Also I just wanna add I don’t think Luffy is Yonkou level yet (he definitely is on his way up to that level though) and Kaido won’t be defeated by Luffy in this arc IMO

You gunna argue it didn't have him shook?

Just look at the panel...

Yeah he definitely wasn’t shook lol, looks more like he was surprised if anything.

 

[catagon87]

One thing we’ve seen from Zoro’s past fights is that they follow the same pattern, especially against tough opponents. First he gets overwhelmed, then he figures out their techniques/or how to actually wound them. And then he one shots them lol. That’s been the pattern for many of his fights since the start. Calling it now he will one shot King during the climax of their battle.

This defies the very definition of what at “one-shot” is.
King has already blocked several of Zoro’s attacks, and taken an attack from Zoro when Zoro and Sanji attacked King and Queen together.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Also I just wanna add I don’t think Luffy is Yonkou level yet (he definitely is on his way up to that level though) and Kaido won’t be defeated by Luffy in this arc IMO

@modz permaban him immediately