One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Crimson Ice]

Yet… he is the one who get injured after the fight even though he is the phoenix while King and Queen are just fine after the fight..

LOL we see him hurting Queen?!?!?!?!?!? Not to mention, that still doesn't change he wasn't getting tossed around like Zoro.

 

[grey matter]

Yet… he is the one who get injured after the fight even though he is the phoenix while King and Queen are just fine after the fight..

Yea, 2v1 for hours + spending energy healing up thousands of soldiers. Before which he fought BM for a few chapters. And he's still up and running, and probably will be the one to take down that flame Yokai

No matter how you look at it, he came out looking better than King or Queen

 

[slavkovski]

LOL we see him hurting Queen?!?!?!?!?!? Not to mention, that still doesn't change he wasn't getting tossed around like Zoro.

Yes we see him hurting Queen, but in the end Queen isnt injured, while Marco although we doesnt see him got injured due to queen (although we see one of his wing got cut by King iirc) complained that he is injured in this chapter

Yea, 2v1 for hours + spending energy healing up thousands of soldiers. Before which he fought BM for a few chapters. And he's still up and running, and probably will be the one to take down that flame Yokai

No matter how you look at it, he came out looking better than King or Queen

I dont know man, most of us think he is invincible due to his phoenix power and he will keep healing due to that.. but i'm not so sure about that now..

 

[KingRiel]

Not according the current showing.

They were close in the sense that of all the strawhats, Zoro was the closest to Luffy.

But it's more apparent than ever that Luffy really is a Tier or 2 above Zoro.

And it makes sense and shouldn't be a hot take. How can Zoro possibly compete with Luffy whose has all forms of Advanced haki and nearly maxed out stats in every category? Zoro doesn't even have Advanced CoA mastered fully yet, and that is a haki he has an aptitude for.

Luffy's devil fruit hasn't even awakened yet.

lmao luffy just got his upgrade a second ago, chill, zoro will get his in this fight too

 

[Crimson Ice]

Yes we see him hurting Queen, but in the end Queen isnt injured, while Marco although we doesnt see him got injured due to queen (although we see one of his wing got cut by King iirc) complained that he is injured in this chapter



I dont know man, most of us think he is invincible due to his phoenix power and he will keep healing due to that.. but i'm not so sure about that now..

If we see him hurting Queen that means he was injured. And I wasn't debating Marco's injures, everyone knows he did. I don't get the point of bringing Marco's injuries up, that was never the point.

 

[Prxnce]

Yeah that was CoC

But cool fake facts tho

Your haki is stronger "THAN BEFORE" too

And now it's confirmed BoAT is just the beginnings of Ryou. Zoro hasn't mastered it yet .

And if Zoro had CoA mastered why couldn't he cut Enel, which was AFTER he "UNLOCKED HAKI"

Different tranlsations for that chapter but I'll bite:

You do realize 'before' is talking about Jaya? Do the math will ya.

And somebody sensing latent haki is fray way from awakening let alone using it. Zoro was actively using it, don't need to be a master just to know how to use it. Hell, Zoro could have literally trained Luffy during the time skip

 

[Sachsenhesse]

The fact that there is no cross training in the crew makes no sense

Reminder that Nami climatact is a usoppmade technology.

the techniques are so poorly defined, you can't tell where one ends, and another begins.

Thats why i dont like haki at all.

 

[Ellenate]

Reminder that Nami climatact is a usoppmade technology.

Interestingly enough, they didn't even talk about it. He just gave her a note and explained nothing.

Who wouldn't have wanted to see ussop train with nami (...or even little flashbacks of it)?


Oda:

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Zoro vs King got Zoro looking like a YC2….
Why the hell did Oda make the SN preform so well against Yonkou…like what the hell!!

Should of shown us other characters. Because it’s hard as hell to scale these MF’ers

Excellent teamwork and they were using a lot of tricks , the super novas got defeated multiple times

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 20, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 20, 2021 ---

I'm wondering how King compares to Yamato and Marco in a one-on-one.
We've already seen him and Queen fight Marco, but it's honestly hard to say much when Marco has the ideal Devil Fruit for stalling a fight in which he has a disadvantage; he was even handling Kizaru.
Yet, likewise, it seemed that whatever Marco was throwing at King, the latter's build was simply taking it without any issues.
As for Yamato, we don't really have a point of reference in order to compare them, but she does appear to be around first-mate level. I mean, she was handling Kaido better than anyone (bar Luffy) that we've seen thus far, but her experience with her father might have helped. Kaido was also not rested or fresh by any means.

I figure all three are around the same level in a prolonged fight.

IMO, overall: Marco > King >= Yamato

By feats and portrayal, Marco is the strongest. 2nd in command of the strongest pirate crew (WB crew was stated to be the strongest in Marineford). Fought equally with Kizaru, tho both weren't really serious. Outright matched attack power of angry Akainu intended to kill Luffy, the only one in the arc to do so with a serious admiral other than WB himself. Compared directly to admirals in the databook. Held back BM for a few chapters. Fought King + Queen in a 2v1 for hours, while spending energy on healing up thousands of soldiers, and is still up and running (probably will be the one to defeat/absorb/eat the fire Yonkai).
He's probably the closest non Yonko pirate we have to an admiral, apart from Luffy and likely Ben Beckman (hype)

That being said, how each fare in certain situations is also different. Because they all have their pros and cons

I'll just assume King and Marco have advanced armament, based on their status in the series.
But Yamato also has advanced conqueror's in addition to advanced armament (pretty sure she has it)

So, in a fight against Kaido (or even other Yonkos), Yamato or Marco will perform best out of the three. Yamato because advanced conqueror's is much more effective against Kaido than advanced armament. Marco obviously can't match the DPS of Yamato who wield advanced conqueror's, but he can last much longer because he's a tanky boi. In this scenario:
Yamato ~ Marco > King

But, in a fight against each other, advanced armament and advanced conqueror's are bonuses, rather than game changers. Because none of the three requires the above two haki to be damaged, all of them seemingly can be damaged in conventional means (as for King, we'll have to see. But Marco was able to draw blood from King multiple times).
In such fights, I give Marco the win quite handily. He has broken durability, good attack power and flight. King has flight to edge out Yamato. So, in this scenario:
Marco > King > Yamato

I don’t think Yamato experience with her dad helps significantly , kaido is a simple fighter , punch , kick , smash or a blast , you have to be tough enough to take the hits , powerful enough to damage him
It’s not like Yamato a trick fighter

Yamato has so far shown , she’s fought kaido the longest , I think she inherited kaido unreal endurance
Yamato has advanced armament and advanced conquerors , the latter a skill only the strongest of the strong can use
I’d say Yamato is YC1+ tier

in actual attack power and ability to damage people
Yamato > king >= Marco

raw physical strength
Yamato >Marco >= king

But haki skills
Yamato >> marco > king
people need to remember something , in regards to lineage and succession Yamato has inherited two of the top 10 strongest chacaters in universe , she’s the new “oden” and at the same time The Child of kaido that’s clearly inherited kaido’s strength
Yamato took a barrage from kaido in base and is still good enough to go around to disable the bombs

and lastly Yamato been a freak of nature in strength
The moment she took on gear 2 + gear 3 luffy who was trying to get past her and without Yamato really trying to go all out either , id say she’s very powerful

yamato was stronger than luffy (imo) till luffy got conquerors costing

 

[grey matter]

I don’t think Yamato experience with her dad helps significantly , kaido is a simple fighter , punch , kick , smash or a blast , you have to be tough enough to take the hits , powerful enough to damage him
It’s not like Yamato a trick fighter

Yamato has so far shown , she’s fought kaido the longest , I think she inherited kaido unreal endurance
Yamato has advanced armament and advanced conquerors , the latter a skill only the strongest of the strong can use
I’d say Yamato is YC1+ tier

in actual attack power and ability to damage people
Yamato > king >= Marco

raw physical strength
Yamato >Marco >= king

But haki skills
Yamato >> marco > king
people need to remember something , in regards to lineage and succession Yamato has inherited two of the top 10 strongest chacaters in universe , she’s the new “oden” and at the same time The Child of kaido that’s clearly inherited kaido’s strength
Yamato took a barrage from kaido in base and is still good enough to go around to disable the bombs

and lastly Yamato been a freak of nature in strength
The moment she took on gear 2 + gear 3 luffy who was trying to get past her and without Yamato really trying to go all out either , id say she’s very powerful

yamato was stronger than luffy (imo) till luffy got conquerors costing

Ehh, we'll just go on a circle about Yamato lol.

Like I've said before, I'm 100% sure that Kaido wouldn't have killed her at all. Throughout the fight, the dude was trying to talk her into giving up and becoming the shogun of Wano. Yamato has tried this several times with Kaido, he always beats her up. He would've simply beat her up again and locked her up in the cell or something, if Luffy didn't show up

Ulti, who I consider YC4 tier, was able to compete with base Yamato.
Of course her zoan and hybrid forms are a big buff. But I doubt it jumping her upto YC1+.

Overall, I consider Yamato a solid YC1

She's esp effective against Kaido because of advanced conqueror's. This is the area I agree with you, her haki is much superior to other two.
This is also the reason she can deal well with Kaido. Cause brute strength alone with no haki will accomplish nothing against Kaido

But, just because she can pull off more damage against Kaido doesn't mean she has higher damage output in general. Like I've said before, how each fare varies by situation. Kaido is a very specific case cause of his semi "invulnerability". But against each other, this specialty of Yamato is more of a bonus than a decisive factor

And no, I'm not considering her automatic top tier because of sharing genetics with Kaido. Out of all BM's kids (she has like what, 100 kids or something?), only Katakuri is special. And even he's more like Yamato special only, not BM special.
Yamato can be damaged by normal attacks, unlike Kaido.
As for inherited will from Oden, we'll have to see. For me, it's Momonuske than Yamato, Yamato is more like an extreme fangirl of Oden. The only confirmed carriers of inherited will so far are Shanks (of Roger), and Luffy (of Shanks/Roger. And maybe a bit of WB).

If we have to compare stats, this would be how I personally place them:

Pure attack power (disregarding haki):
Marco > King > Yamato
Marco was able to match the attack power of angry akainu.

Defense (i.e ability to negate damage all together):
King >> Yamato > Marco
King highest cause of what he showed in current chapter.

Armament haki:
Yamato > Marco > King

Conqueror's haki:
Only Yamato has this lol. Yamato >>>

Durability:
Marco >> Yamato >= King
Marco far superior cause his regen is broken

Speed/CQC:
Marco > King > Yamato
A lot of panels we saw of Marco vs King and Queen was Marco smacking them around, a big factor here was his speed. Marco also has his speed feat of keeping up with Kizaru.
King > Yamato here cause of flight, otherwise they're about equal


Overall, I only consider Marco a YC1+ among these three. Mainly because of his feats against admirals, portrayal of direct comparison to admirals in data book, portrayal of 2nd in command of the strongest pirate crew, and his feat of 1v2 against King/Queen for hours while simultaneously spending energy healing up thousands of soldiers.

Outside of Marco, I consider current Kid and Law YC1+ as well, and Zoro by the end of the arc (prediction)

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Ehh, we'll just go on a circle about Yamato lol.

Like I've said before, I'm 100% sure that Kaido wouldn't have killed her at all. Throughout the fight, the dude was trying to talk her into giving up and becoming the shogun of Wano. Yamato has tried this several times with Kaido, he always beats her up. He would've simply beat her up again and locked her up in the cell or something, if Luffy didn't show up

Ulti, who I consider YC4 tier, was able to compete with base Yamato.
Of course her zoan and hybrid forms are a big buff. But I doubt it jumping her upto YC1+.

Overall, I consider Yamato a solid YC1

She's esp effective against Kaido because of advanced conqueror's. This is the area I agree with you, her haki is much superior to other two.
This is also the reason she can deal well with Kaido. Cause brute strength alone with no haki will accomplish nothing against Kaido

But, just because she can pull off more damage against Kaido doesn't mean she has higher damage output in general. Like I've said before, how each fare varies by situation. Kaido is a very specific case cause of his semi "invulnerability". But against each other, this specialty of Yamato is more of a bonus than a decisive factor

And no, I'm not considering her automatic top tier because of sharing genetics with Kaido. Out of all BM's kids (she has like what, 100 kids or something?), only Katakuri is special. And even he's more like Yamato special only, not BM special.
Yamato can be damaged by normal attacks, unlike Kaido.
As for inherited will from Oden, we'll have to see. For me, it's Momonuske than Yamato, Yamato is more like an extreme fangirl of Oden. The only confirmed carriers of inherited will so far are Shanks (of Roger), and Luffy (of Shanks/Roger. And maybe a bit of WB).

If we have to compare stats, this would be how I personally place them:

Pure attack power (disregarding haki):
Marco > King > Yamato
Marco was able to match the attack power of angry akainu.

Defense (i.e ability to negate damage all together):
King >> Yamato > Marco
King highest cause of what he showed in current chapter.

Armament haki:
Yamato > Marco > King

Conqueror's haki:
Only Yamato has this lol. Yamato >>>

Durability:
Marco >> Yamato >= King
Marco far superior cause his regen is broken

Speed/CQC:
Marco > King > Yamato
A lot of panels we saw of Marco vs King and Queen was Marco smacking them around, a big factor here was his speed. Marco also has his speed feat of keeping up with Kizaru.
King > Yamato here cause of flight, otherwise they're about equal


Overall, I only consider Marco a YC1+ among these three. Mainly because of his feats against admirals, portrayal of direct comparison to admirals in data book, portrayal of 2nd in command of the strongest pirate crew, and his feat of 1v2 against King/Queen for hours while simultaneously spending energy healing up thousands of soldiers.

Outside of Marco, I consider current Kid and Law YC1+ as well, and Zoro by the end of the arc (prediction)

Marco never matched the attack power of akainu , he got thrown back
Akainu got past him and all the whitebeard commanders very very quickly despite them trying hard to stop him , they didn’t even last an entire chapter
Yamato stalled Kaido for 6-10 chapters

ulti and Yamato literally lasted for a chapter , it was a brief skirmish , it lasted about the same as luffy and ulti and no one sees their clash as anything indicative of strength

kaido couldn’t blitz Yamato tho , neither could gear 2 + 3 luffy , or overpower Yamato with g2 and gear buff

Yamato has the book of oden and knows what he wants , Yamato has stated all that
Multiple people can inherit a will

Yamato has clearly inherited kaido’a strength

 

[AmitDS]

Had someone reply to me "Zoro will never be stronger than Luffy" to a post about King and yonko commanders
May as well have said he'll never be Pirate King.

That is how I know what the real motivation is behind opposition to what King said, a desperation to maintain the Luffy > Zoro status quo even when its irrelevant. Just hope that wasn't the same person who referred to the VCs in attempt to make a point

That was me.

@Bold That is true. Always has been. Always will be. Sorry Zoro-sama. King is inferior to Kaido and his VC tells the same. Sorry about your feelings.
We both know why I said that lol so pls.

"Motivation behind King opposition" lmao.
The literal only reason you're going so hard for King is because of the Zoro agenda. It's as clear as day to anyone really lol. You guys still can't fathom after 2 decades and 1000+ chapters that Zoro is inferior to Luffy and his subordinate and closer to people like Sanji ()
Just a couple of weeks ago, King was "trash" and "beneath Zoro" as he was "dancing with Kaido." Then Zoro dismissed himself after Ashura and King was cemented as his opponent and then the wanking started. Like clockwork.
The ones who are in the Luffy > Zoro camp are eating good and sitting pretty and have always been since the manga's inception. The fact that you're trying to portray this as if it's up for debate and due to an agenda or bias is hilarious to me.

I don't know why people are so antsy about these plot developments. Dw, Zoro is getting his time to shine in an extreme-diff fight against YC1 King and is getting a power-up with Enma.

 

[Fallou]

You are obsessed with Zolo. Are you Nik hiding behind this profile? You and LadyVados would get along pretty well.

Zolo struggled versus Kaku who had a lower PL than Lucci who was equal in strength with Gear 2 Luffy.
Zolo > Kaku eventually but that didnt put him near Lucci's level, yet Luffy in Gears was near Luccis level. If you want to ignore that fact then do you.

Gear 4 would demolish Zolo. Zolo doesnt have FS or speed like G4 Luffy does. Luffy > Zolo will always be true, Oda wants it that way, but there are the occasional fans who want to believe Zolo is stronger than Luffy. Thats not going to happen so please go back to your corner and stay quiet.

Anyways,
Luffy first used CoC in Sabaody.
In ID when Luffy fought BB, BB mentioned Luffy's haki had gotten stronger. What did he mean by that? Which type of haki? I believe BB was talking about CoC. I say this because BB when he first met Luffy, they only stared at each other ready to fight but they didnt fight at all. Back then Luffy must've been using CoC unconsciously. I doubt BB was talking about Luffy's CoA, because how would BB know how strong Luffys CoA was before, since they never physically fought until ID.

Zolo didnt use any type of haki until Post TS.

I really have to laugh at the level of insane denial we're facing here
It borders on unhealthy obsession. It's also kinda gross.
Luffy would wreck Zoro any day: FS would allow him to dodge pretty much anything Zoro threw at him. And Luffy has superior haki.
Hell, Zoro doesn't even have confirmed CoC. And it's a manga fact. He doesn't have advanced CoA either, the closest he's come to that is by using Oden residual haki inside Enma.
He's currently struggling against King, and that's why the fanboys are being such haters

You also have to wonder at the lack of understanding of the way a story works. So Zoro is superior to Luffy, but secretly?

Something so big, unexpected in a manga where strength is so important, and yet it's never mentioned, just hinted at in veeery devious ways (so only the true fans would understand)? What purpose does it serve? What's the interest of that?

It's like saying Oda's plan since the beginning has been to put Zoro above Luffy, but he's keeping the surprise and the duel between them until when?
When Luffy's PK? And the manga ends on Zoro beating Luffy in a duel? In what insane alternative universe would such crap happen?

People who think that are basing their reasoning on fake facts, wishful thinking, and an unhealthy adoration of a character that doesn't even exist. They also think they know the secret truth to things.

 

[Gallon]

IMO, overall: Marco > King >= Yamato

By feats and portrayal, Marco is the strongest. 2nd in command of the strongest pirate crew (WB crew was stated to be the strongest in Marineford). Fought equally with Kizaru, tho both weren't really serious. Outright matched attack power of angry Akainu intended to kill Luffy, the only one in the arc to do so with a serious admiral other than WB himself. Compared directly to admirals in the databook. Held back BM for a few chapters. Fought King + Queen in a 2v1 for hours, while spending energy on healing up thousands of soldiers, and is still up and running (probably will be the one to defeat/absorb/eat the fire Yonkai).
He's probably the closest non Yonko pirate we have to an admiral, apart from Luffy and likely Ben Beckman (hype)

That being said, how each fare in certain situations is also different. Because they all have their pros and cons

I'll just assume King and Marco have advanced armament, based on their status in the series.
But Yamato also has advanced conqueror's in addition to advanced armament (pretty sure she has it)

So, in a fight against Kaido (or even other Yonkos), Yamato or Marco will perform best out of the three. Yamato because advanced conqueror's is much more effective against Kaido than advanced armament. Marco obviously can't match the DPS of Yamato who wield advanced conqueror's, but he can last much longer because he's a tanky boi. In this scenario:
Yamato ~ Marco > King

But, in a fight against each other, advanced armament and advanced conqueror's are bonuses, rather than game changers. Because none of the three requires the above two haki to be damaged, all of them seemingly can be damaged in conventional means (as for King, we'll have to see. But Marco was able to draw blood from King multiple times).
In such fights, I give Marco the win quite handily. He has broken durability, good attack power and flight. King has flight to edge out Yamato. So, in this scenario:
Marco > King > Yamato

I think you're giving Conqueror's coating far less credit than it deserves; it makes blows significantly more devastating, increases reach, as well as allows one to use it defensively as a barrier. It is a game changer. Plus, Yamato is one of the only characters that has taken a direct CoC blow from Kaido and stayed conscious - King cannot hit as hard, and Marco's attack power is even lower than King's.
All three excel at different things, so I don't think it's easy to rank them comfortably.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

zoro vs luffy is a troll topic. you have a protagonist and his underling and we're talking about whether or not his underling is secretly stronger than him? zoro has never defeated an enemy as strong as luffy's opponents in a single arc buuuuut ackshually what the author is really telling is that zoro should be fighting those guys instead. i have an actual aneurysm trying to justify this thought process

 

[albertwv]

So is Sanji vs Queen's fight over? Please tell me it isnt. It could not end like that. It was super anti-climatic. I actually want to see more of them fighting. Not that I enjoy each character but as YC2s they deserve a good fight.

I am stuck with the notion that the SHs fights should be modeled like Enies Lobby CP9 fights. Those fights made so much sense and actually were uninterrupted battles. It pushed each SH into past their limit. And since Onigashima seems to be parallel to Enies Lobby in story (Zoans, climatic battle, raid, etc) I was hoping to see long drawn out difficult battles. So please Oda, do not let this be the end of

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

That was me.

@Bold That is true. Always has been. Always will be. Sorry Zoro-sama. King is inferior to Kaido and his VC tells the same. Sorry about your feelings.
We both know why I said that lol so pls.

"Motivation behind King opposition" lmao.
The literal only reason you're going so hard for King is because of the Zoro agenda. It's as clear as day to anyone really lol. You guys still can't fathom after 2 decades and 1000+ chapters that Zoro is inferior to Luffy and his subordinate and closer to people like Sanji ()
Just a couple of weeks ago, King was "trash" and "beneath Zoro" as he was "dancing with Kaido." Then Zoro dismissed himself after Ashura and King was cemented as his opponent and then the wanking started. Like clockwork.
The ones who are in the Luffy > Zoro camp are eating good and sitting pretty and have always been since the manga's inception. The fact that you're trying to portray this as if it's up for debate and due to an agenda or bias is hilarious to me.

I don't know why people are so antsy about these plot developments. Dw, Zoro is getting his time to shine in an extreme-diff fight against YC1 King and is getting a power-up with Enma. Enjoy it lol

Lmaooo at king hype
I noticed it and saw it coming and it’s so funny to me

 

[Pirate Queen]

That was me.

@Bold That is true. Always has been. Always will be. Sorry Zoro-sama. King is inferior to Kaido and his VC tells the same. Sorry about your feelings.
We both know why I said that lol so pls.

"Motivation behind King opposition" lmao.
The literal only reason you're going so hard for King is because of the Zoro agenda. It's as clear as day to anyone really lol. You guys still can't fathom after 2 decades and 1000+ chapters that Zoro is inferior to Luffy and his subordinate and closer to people like Sanji ()
Just a couple of weeks ago, King was "trash" and "beneath Zoro" as he was "dancing with Kaido." Then Zoro dismissed himself after Ashura and King was cemented as his opponent and then the wanking started. Like clockwork.
The ones who are in the Luffy > Zoro camp are eating good and sitting pretty and have always been since the manga's inception. The fact that you're trying to portray this as if it's up for debate and due to an agenda or bias is hilarious to me.

I don't know why people are so antsy about these plot developments. Dw, Zoro is getting his time to shine in an extreme-diff fight against YC1 King and is getting a power-up with Enma.

He tried to act like you said something controversial

 

[XXGenesis]

Interesting to see the Mods are in on it to.
Completely blowing the Zoro vs Luffy debate out the water. If that’s the case don’t say Jack squat…To Zoro fans that say he demolishes Sanji….

Why is the conversation so serious over fictional entertainment?? Vegeta fans never prayed, hoped & argue that he could beat Goku or that he’s close? What about Naruto vs Sasuke WTF!! Get over ya selves! Damn

Are you that mad no body else in the SHP crew could challenege Luffy to a good match besides Zoro??

The agenda of Downplaying Zoro is too strong on this forum it’s toxic asf

 

[Ketimatsu]

How are you going to bitch about us talking about power levels and then end it by saying Zoro is able to cut Luffy's arms off?

Get over yourself

Toxic fanbase answer, just proved my point perfectly as you did not get the sense of my message.

Anyway, mostly commenting on the other thread that was going astray. No need to take it personal, not targeting anyone here. Take a chill pill.