One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[AmitDS]

I said this in another thread but I'll just reiterate it here:

Zoro vs. King is simply still in the phase of the fight where the big bad appears infallible and undefeatable.

We all saw this in Katakuri's fight against Luffy in WCI. Katakuri was literally untouchable until Luffy found out about his mouth/temper and began picking up FS (and using Snakeman). When Zoro inevitably uncovers King's Achilles' Heel, which is gonna happen sooner rather than later (considering he's actively looking for King's weakness atm lol), this fight will hopefully make a lot more sense to some people. I mean, in this same chapter, Enma began reacting to Hiyori's shamisen music and started to suck excessive amounts of his haki. It's not that hard to see what Oda is writing for us here.

 

[XXGenesis]

Lol this fandom is super toxic. Now it’s Luffy vs Zoro. Naruto vs debates didn’t even get this bad lml. & it was a much more plausible thing for that story. While in One Piece we get fandom bashing…..Wow….Sanji’s was a mix of criticism, heavy criticism & hate. This Zoro stuff is just corny. Because it’s all retaliatory, ppl complain about other ppls takes…lmao so the character has to be trash because some has a trash take on Zoro…lmfao

 

[Federicoxxx]

One thing we’ve seen from Zoro’s past fights is that they follow the same pattern, especially against tough opponents. First he gets overwhelmed, then he figures out their techniques/or how to actually wound them. And then he one shots them lol. That’s been the pattern for many of his fights since the start. Calling it now he will one shot King during the climax of their battle

Also I just wanna add I don’t think Luffy is Yonkou level yet (he definitely is on his way up to that level though) and Kaido won’t be defeated by Luffy in this arc IMO



Yeah he definitely wasn’t shook lol, looks more like he was surprised if anything.

WELL it goes with the narrative... IF LUFFY DONT DEFEAT KAIDO ..STORY CANT CONTINUE... cause i CANT even glimpse at the chance
of he scaping injured.. and suffer a 2year timeskip rodeo to get strong and coming back.THATS NOT GONNA HAPPEN...
so one way or another KAIDO will be defeated BY THE MAIN PROTAGONIST... LUFFY.,,

once it happen.. would you consider him yonko level? ... luffy care a D*** about being a yonko.. and having status..
kaido is just a huge mountain on his way to be PK and reach RAFTEL ..also he want to fullfill momo promise... and help wano people on the process

the close to luffy claiming something like dat..was on fishman island...when he says to BM fishman island was his turf.
but it was more related cause he was pissed at the injustices and control she had in there...

how we can continue the history then? .... and NO .. NO FRIKING WAY KAIDO WAS GONNA be defeated by zoro or someone else
LUFFY IS THE MAIN PROTAGONIST THAT ALWAYS HAS.. AND WILL DEFEAT THE MAIN BAD GUY....

 

[Aaaa]

This defies the very definition of what at “one-shot” is.
King has already blocked several of Zoro’s attacks, and taken an attack from Zoro when Zoro and Sanji attacked King and Queen together.

Not looking at the entire fight tho, kind of just focusing on his fights after he figures out his opponent, he usually bodies them with ease after. Hoping that won’t be the case in this fight but it looks likely since the meds he’s on can only last for so long.

@modz permaban him immediately

Lool ( ͡°Ɛ ͡°)

how we can continue the history then? .... and NO .. NO FRIKING WAY KAIDO WAS GONNA be defeated by zoro or someone else
LUFFY IS THE MAIN PROTAGONIST THAT ALWAYS HAS.. AND WILL DEFEAT THE MAIN BAD GUY....

calm down m8

 

[Crimson Ice]

My opinion of Marco has only grown. King is tossing Zoro around, and Marco, despite fighting King and Queen simultaneously, wasn't getting tossed like this.

 

[Gallon]

I'm wondering how King compares to Yamato and Marco in a one-on-one.
We've already seen him and Queen fight Marco, but it's honestly hard to say much when Marco has the ideal Devil Fruit for stalling a fight in which he has a disadvantage; he was even handling Kizaru.
Yet, likewise, it seemed that whatever Marco was throwing at King, the latter's build was simply taking it without any issues.
As for Yamato, we don't really have a point of reference in order to compare them, but she does appear to be around first-mate level. I mean, she was handling Kaido better than anyone (bar Luffy) that we've seen thus far, but her experience with her father might have helped. Kaido was also not rested or fresh by any means.

I figure all three are around the same level in a prolonged fight.

 

[M3J]

I feel Yamato might be superior just because she was able to handle Kaidou well enough. I don't think other than taking damage, Marco would have done as well, and probably not King either.

 

[grey matter]

My opinion of Marco has only grown. King is tossing Zoro around, and Marco, despite fighting King and Queen simultaneously, wasn't getting tossed like this.

Right. He was the one doing the tossing around lol, for the most part

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

i do feel its clear that luffy as he is considerably above zoro
he's better at all 3 types of haki by a considerable level than zoro, armament ( 2 stages of advanced , zoro has none ), COO ( luffy has future sight ), coc ( luffy can use it consciously and clad his attacks in it )
raw speed is luffy (just in base and that's minus gear 2 and gear 4) , probably equal for stamina and endurance, destructive capability maybe tied ( i feel g4 luffy is higher tho ), attack speed
really gonna be interesting if yamato joins the crew

 

[Prxnce]

Every arc Zoro drags this out of the community. Hody and Hyouzou, Pica and Vergo, Doffy and Fujitora, Monet and Luffy, I could go on. Between Zoro, King and Kaido the only constant was Kokujo O Tastumaki. Kaido was hurt and King was not, then he flexed he's on a whole other level than Dragons/Dinos -- this has people literally crying again because of its factual implications

When King said his durability is superior to others, I think he meant compared to the others like Queen, Drake, P1, etc l. Everyone else except Kaido.
Anyway we had to block Zoro’s tatsumaki but Kaido just let himself get hit without suffering much damage.
Anyway, Zoro’s powerup will be coming soon so im glad. Hopefully it’s aCoC coating.

He did reply in context of both Dragons and Dinosaurs on the subject but it is hilarious how many readers are triggered by King's words. Its the same old threaders correlating it to 'strength' cause they are always desperate to undermine whatever happens with Zoro.

Blueno had the strongest Tekkai of CP9, didn't see anybody correlate that to him being stronger than Jyabura, Lucci or Kaku and pretty sure that was revealed before the doroki chart. Kaku also had the strongest Rankyaku, so many other examples have been given Teach/Marco/Katakuri etc.

When it comes to Zoro, anything his opponents have that is portrayed superior to Luffy's suggested opponent's is met with irrational comments and asinine deduction. Not a single person has argued King is stronger than Kaido yet that is what most of the comments responded with in opposition.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Haki aura/flow indicates advanced armament to me.

Zoro has shown this long back

zoro can't use it, if not he'd have bypassed king's weird defence and internally damaged him
at the very least when luffy was using ryou , he'd have acknowledged that Luffy can use it too
maybe zoro can but not one panel indicates he can use ryou

 

[Prxnce]

Had someone reply to me "Zoro will never be stronger than Luffy" to a post about King and yonko commanders
May as well have said he'll never be Pirate King.

That is how I know what the real motivation is behind opposition to what King said, a desperation to maintain the Luffy > Zoro status quo even when its irrelevant. Just hope that wasn't the same person who referred to the VCs in attempt to make a point

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Every arc Zoro drags this out of the community. Hody and Hyouzou, Pica and Vergo, Doffy and Fujitora, Monet and Luffy, I could go on. Between Zoro, King and Kaido the only constant was Kokujo O Tastumaki. Kaido was hurt and King was not, then he flexed he's on a whole other level than Dragons/Dinos -- this has people literally crying again because of its factual implications



He did reply in context of both Dragons and Dinosaurs on the subject but it is hilarious how many readers are triggered by King's words. Its the same old threaders correlating it to 'strength' cause they are always desperate to undermine whatever happens with Zoro.

Blueno had the strongest Tekkai of CP9, didn't see anybody correlate that to him being stronger than Jyabura, Lucci or Kaku and pretty sure that was revealed before the doroki chart. Kaku also had the strongest Rankyaku, so many other examples have been given Teach/Marco/Katakuri etc.

When it comes to Zoro, anything his opponents have that is portrayed superior to Luffy's suggested opponent's is met with irrational comments and asinine deduction. Not a single person has argued King is stronger than Kaido yet that is what most of the comments responded with in opposition.

maybe blueno had the strongest tekkai theoretically , but luffy broke through it cleanly with gear 2
where as lucci tanked multiple gear 2 hits with his tekkai repeatedly
heck even with skill jyabura was superior as he could use it while moving

heck I wouldn’tmind if king was superior in like coa or coo than kaido , but the durability thing is weird cause in particular that’s kaido’s calling card and speciality, kinda hoping it’s a trick or a translation issue cause we’ve had 300 chApters of hype and buildup into his durability ( heck he does suicide for fun ) , like both Zoro and luffy had to train to learn to cut kaido and now king is secretly more tough ? It’s like huhn ?!!?

 

[sulpheed]

Zoro is superior in sword skill than Luffy , but Luffy is stronger .

 

[grey matter]

I'm wondering how King compares to Yamato and Marco in a one-on-one.
We've already seen him and Queen fight Marco, but it's honestly hard to say much when Marco has the ideal Devil Fruit for stalling a fight in which he has a disadvantage; he was even handling Kizaru.
Yet, likewise, it seemed that whatever Marco was throwing at King, the latter's build was simply taking it without any issues.
As for Yamato, we don't really have a point of reference in order to compare them, but she does appear to be around first-mate level. I mean, she was handling Kaido better than anyone (bar Luffy) that we've seen thus far, but her experience with her father might have helped. Kaido was also not rested or fresh by any means.

I figure all three are around the same level in a prolonged fight.

IMO, overall: Marco > King >= Yamato

By feats and portrayal, Marco is the strongest. 2nd in command of the strongest pirate crew (WB crew was stated to be the strongest in Marineford). Fought equally with Kizaru, tho both weren't really serious. Outright matched attack power of angry Akainu intended to kill Luffy, the only one in the arc to do so with a serious admiral other than WB himself. Compared directly to admirals in the databook. Held back BM for a few chapters. Fought King + Queen in a 2v1 for hours, while spending energy on healing up thousands of soldiers, and is still up and running (probably will be the one to defeat/absorb/eat the fire Yonkai).
He's probably the closest non Yonko pirate we have to an admiral, apart from Luffy and likely Ben Beckman (hype)

That being said, how each fare in certain situations is also different. Because they all have their pros and cons

I'll just assume King and Marco have advanced armament, based on their status in the series.
But Yamato also has advanced conqueror's in addition to advanced armament (pretty sure she has it)

So, in a fight against Kaido (or even other Yonkos), Yamato or Marco will perform best out of the three. Yamato because advanced conqueror's is much more effective against Kaido than advanced armament. Marco obviously can't match the DPS of Yamato who wield advanced conqueror's, but he can last much longer because he's a tanky boi. In this scenario:
Yamato ~ Marco > King

But, in a fight against each other, advanced armament and advanced conqueror's are bonuses, rather than game changers. Because none of the three requires the above two haki to be damaged, all of them seemingly can be damaged in conventional means (as for King, we'll have to see. But Marco was able to draw blood from King multiple times).
In such fights, I give Marco the win quite handily. He has broken durability, good attack power and flight. King has flight to edge out Yamato. So, in this scenario:
Marco > King > Yamato

 

[Prxnce]

maybe blueno had the strongest tekkai theoretically , but luffy broke through it cleanly with gear 2
where as lucci tanked multiple gear 2 hits with his tekkai repeatedly
heck even with skill jyabura was superior as he could use it while moving

heck I wouldn’tmind if king was superior in like coa or coo than kaido , but the durability thing is weird cause in particular that’s kaido’s calling card and speciality, kinda hoping it’s a trick or a translation issue cause we’ve had 300 chApters of hype and buildup into his durability ( heck he does suicide for fun ) , like both Zoro and luffy had to train to learn to cut kaido and now king is secretly more tough ? It’s like huhn ?!!?

Nah I agree, but why its such a controversy is crazy like I never thought in my life people could be bitter about fiction.

I take it objectively for what the author scripted as even in translation the nuance isn't dissimilar, however I also consider King may not be speaking in context of physical rigidity as I take into account he is still of an unknown race with unknown properties known as gods.

None of those considerations changes him saying his resilience is on a whole other level. He may not even be a physical entity thus not physically comparable to Kaido.

As for Kaido its not the first time Oda has hyped something unique only to normalize it. He did it with mantra/CoO, CoA, then even CoC, then Ryuo/BOAT - when all the scabbards popped off on Kaido everyone was like wtf?

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 20, 2021, Original Post Date: Nov 20, 2021 ---

So ya'll mods aren't gonna remove the power-scaling comments? Like what they got to do with the price of fish in China?

 

[XXGenesis]

Zoro vs King got Zoro looking like a YC2….
Why the hell did Oda make the SN preform so well against Yonkou…like what the hell!!

Should of shown us other characters. Because it’s hard as hell to scale these MF’ers

 

[Crimson Ice]

Every arc Zoro drags this out of the community. Hody and Hyouzou, Pica and Vergo, Doffy and Fujitora, Monet and Luffy, I could go on. Between Zoro, King and Kaido the only constant was Kokujo O Tastumaki. Kaido was hurt and King was not, then he flexed he's on a whole other level than Dragons/Dinos -- this has people literally crying again because of its factual implications



He did reply in context of both Dragons and Dinosaurs on the subject but it is hilarious how many readers are triggered by King's words. Its the same old threaders correlating it to 'strength' cause they are always desperate to undermine whatever happens with Zoro.

Blueno had the strongest Tekkai of CP9, didn't see anybody correlate that to him being stronger than Jyabura, Lucci or Kaku and pretty sure that was revealed before the doroki chart. Kaku also had the strongest Rankyaku, so many other examples have been given Teach/Marco/Katakuri etc.

When it comes to Zoro, anything his opponents have that is portrayed superior to Luffy's suggested opponent's is met with irrational comments and asinine deduction. Not a single person has argued King is stronger than Kaido yet that is what most of the comments responded with in opposition.

Blueno didn't have the strongest tekkai...Where did you get that from?

 

[Fallou]

I love how no other fandom in OP is so unreasonable and whiny. You never hear that shit from Luffy fans (cause they don't have to, he's the MC and wins against the strongest enemies), nor Sanji fans (they do complain a lot, but most of them have pretty much realized Sanji will never be at Zoros level, and given up on it).
But Zoro fans are soooo fragile.

And to that I'll add that weird fantasy a lot of them have about Zoro killing people (the magistrate, the bounty hunters at WP, Kaido)...

No other fandom in the OPverse is that bent on that ubhealthy murder fantasy. It's like ability to kill people would make a character more worthy of something.
Major cringe right there.

 

[slavkovski]

My opinion of Marco has only grown. King is tossing Zoro around, and Marco, despite fighting King and Queen simultaneously, wasn't getting tossed like this.

Right. He was the one doing the tossing around lol, for the most part

Yet… he is the one who get injured after the fight even though he is the phoenix while King and Queen are just fine after the fight..