One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[Fox666]

But was it because of strength? There's some air pressure applied to Rokushiki attacks and whatnot. I am not sure how it works, but it seems something special to CP9.

 

[M3J]

All Crocodile needs to do is touch Lucci and suck out water. And I'm pretty sure Shigan can't hurt Crocodile the way it hurt Luffy.

 

[Shasha23]

Like Lucci will stand there while Crocodile is busy touching him? or are you forgetting that Lucci is much much faster and far better fighter, in the end the fight will end the moment Lucci starts using water to damage him.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Crocodile>Lucci

This is actually a great match up. Everyone's making good points.

Power: Crocodile>Lucci
Speed: Crocodile < Lucci
Enduranc: Crocodile < Lucci
DF Mastery Crocodile: = Lucci
One-Shot Capability: Crocodile > Lucci
Hype Crocodile > Lucci

 

[hokageji]

How did we even get to Lucci vs Crocodile.

I think Lucci has a significant advantage by purely being Zoan. The fact that he is a part of CP0, which operates in the new world to me suggests that he can effectively use Haki to his advantage as well. Don't think he did in Enes Lobby.That itself to Crocodile is a disadvantage. Having a zoan ability with weakness to water being one, and then the general weaknesses that a logia faces...
However, I'd argue that Crocodile is significantly stronger than we know, even if pre timeskip beat him. He briefly battled Doflamingo, Jozu, stopped Mihawk and Akainu from attacking Luffy, don't think we can call him slow after that...

 

[M3J]

what water? If Lucci somehow comes prepared, then sure, but otherwise if Crocodile touches Lucci, which will likely happen, then Lucci's in trouble. If Lucci and Crocodile can use haki though, then I could see Lucci winning.

 

[Shasha23]

Why this has gone on for 2 pages i don't know, surely Lucci is greater than Crocodile in every way except notoriety.
In the end Enel was the strongest and greatest enemy Luffy fought pre timeskip and only lost because of BS reasons, and i say lost loosely since he never got taken out he simply decided to leave and not kill everyone with his riago attack.

 

[XXGenesis]

ODA has admitted he put Croc too early in the story. Luffy shouldnt have been able to take out a Logia at the time but he did due to water being Crocs big weakness....Croc has basically shown us his awekening also Lml in hindsight ....After his defeat we see him during Enies lobby no real contenders or feats..But in Marineford he challenges both Doffy & Jozu..Both who i believe are ranked at Low Commander Lv..*Jozu may be a Mid commander* juss my speculation....

That being said..Croc was given an unreasonable power up for the story sake, to even out the PL..Thats how I view it...So if Croc & PreTS Lucci fight..

I see Croc with the advantage at 1st being a Logia leaving Lucci powerless to hurt him..But Lucci isnt dumb and is physically Croc's superior so he wont take heavy damage..2nd phase of the fight Lucci sustsins some damage, with Croc a little gassed out, but Lucci discovers Crocs weakness to water, and proceeds to put a hurting on Croc dishing out more damage than Croc was able to land...3rd Phase Croc starts to go all out with his awakening and hook, however Lucci suffers more damage but is a zoan so he recovers quickly, and proceedd to pummel Croc in his Zoan state....

After the time skip, favor is still to Lucci..But i have to say its a high-mid Difficulty fight for Lucci.

 

[nik87]

Who cares about Strawhats and their shenanigans, make Lucci vs Crocodile happen!

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Crocodile in the war is the same Crocodile that Luffy fought. You don't get miraculously stronger while in prison.

What difference? There is no need at all for Crocodile to engage with Lucci in close quarter combat. He did that in his final fight with Luffy because he felt his pride was hurt. Keep in mind that Robin also screwed over his entire plan that he worked on for years, and than that pesky little pirate rookie that was supposed to have died twice appears again and just never gives up. Crocodile didn't use much of his devil fruit arsenal anymore during his final fight.

I don't think Impel down is such a wonderful place that Crocodile would have stayed there, alive, for so long without going through hardship. The way he was in Alabasta, he was probably the weakest of the bunch in level 6, he had no where to go but up.

Also Lucci has soru, he can engage anyone he wishes to engage in close combat whenever he wants, bar maybe Kizaru and similar top tiers.

I think Lucci beats even marine ford Croc tbh. Croco's clashes with Doflamingo, Akainu and Mihawk were all initiated by crocodile. It's not like he properly reacted to any of them. If anything he was dismissed and kinda looked down upon by them.

 

[McNuss]

I don't think Impel down is such a wonderful place that Crocodile would have stayed there, alive, for so long without going through hardship. The way he was in Alabasta, he was probably the weakest of the bunch in level 6, he had no where to go but up.

It's a prison, he is contained within seastone. There is ZERO chance he got stronger while there.

 

[Shasha23]

It's a prison, he is contained within seastone. There is ZERO chance he got stronger while there.

They were being tortured and beaten of course he would get stronger.

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

It's a prison, he is contained within seastone. There is ZERO chance he got stronger while there.

Sure, level 6 prisonners are totally going to respect his personal space once he's settled in. No one is going to want to take his lunch. No one is going to want to relieve their boredom by beating him up. No one is going to want to prove they are stronger than the new shichibukai on the block. He was clearly in the company of orderly angels, right?

 

[McNuss]

Sure, level 6 prisonners are totally going to respect his personal space once he's settled in. No one is going to want to take his lunch. No one is going to want to relieve their boredom by beating him up. No one is going to want to prove they are stronger than the new shichibukai on the block. He was clearly in the company of orderly angels, right?

He was there for just a few weeks max.

 

[M3J]

Have we seen prisoners fight each other? The only time I can recall is Blackbeard making them fight, otherwise majority either got along or left each other alone.

 

[Shasha23]

He was there for just a few weeks max.

NO, he was there for months

 

[Junior]

Yeah but it means that during the ceremony, security might be tighter now. Kaido might not take Luffy seriously, but doubt his calamities would underestimate himself after his deeds in WCI

I think Kaido is still not taking Luffy seriously, he beat Katakuri/Cracker, surely he should be thinking that one calamity won't be enough to beat him but oh well. Jack isn't as strong as Katakuri if you ask me, so I don't think Luffy will lose against Jack should a fight start somehow

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Saying Luffy beat Katakuri is a little disingenuous. There are layers to that.

 

[Zehahaha]

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Saying Luffy beat Katakuri is a little disingenuous. There are layers to that.

Say whatever you want to say, but he did. Eventually Katakuri was down and Luffy managed to leave. And that fight would've been different had Luffy had the ability to see the future from the get go... During that fight, not only Luffy had a severe disadvantage, but he managed to also be able to see the future as well and score a really close win

 

[M3J]

Yeah but it means that during the ceremony, security might be tighter now. Kaido might not take Luffy seriously, but doubt his calamities would underestimate himself after his deeds in WCI

I think Kaido is still not taking Luffy seriously, he beat Katakuri/Cracker, surely he should be thinking that one calamity won't be enough to beat him but oh well. Jack isn't as strong as Katakuri if you ask me, so I don't think Luffy will lose against Jack should a fight start somehow

It likely will be, but until then, Kinemon can use that to his advantage. or hell, during the ceremony or right before it, Kinemon can set up a fake Luffy and make Kaidou fall for the bait, which could weaken the security.

Pretty sure Jack's more dangerous than Katakuri. Katakuri didn't fight for few days in a row against multiple enemies, Jack did. You're underestimating Jack severely, and Kaidou probably is aware of how strong Jack is and thinks he can do the job by himself.

 

[Zehahaha]

Being capable of fighting for five days means nothing when you can be knocked out in five minutes.

Cat and Dog weren't strong enough to defeat him sooner, hence the reason it became a battle of who would last longer.

This

Ace and Jinbe fought for days, doesn't mean they are the strongest out there. I am not underestimating Jack, but against Katakuri, he won't do much because he can't see the future as simple as it is. I can see two ways you can beat Katakuri: 1- You see the future 2- You are too strong/fast for him. Doubt Jack is stronger than him by a wide margin

Katakuri for example would never let himself get hurt by Shutenmaru, because he'd have seen it coming already