One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

Im speaking individually.

1 Yonko = 1 Admiral

Unless im misunderstanding the question

Nope, everyone is answering the question and providing more dialogue. Exactly what I was looking for.

Akainu removing half of WB's face and still kicking ass afterwards is definitely a feat. I change my mind I think Akainu could take WB with high diff...as for the others they probably dont match up too well against WB.

 

[Shasha23]

Well that's something big enough that wouldn't be glossed over.


As a swordsman yes. Mihawk doesn't have CoC though, which we've seen the yonko using to split the skies.

It wouldn't be for the first time Oda just skips something major, the most likely scenario is that the 3 admirals went after Boa, Mihawk and Whitebear Jr. while Stainless went after Buggy since they were the only 4 remaining shichibukai at the time,

CoC is not everything, Garp doesn't have it and one might argue he was stronger than Roger and Whitebeard

 

[Pirate Queen]

It wouldn't be for the first time Oda just skips something major, the most likely scenario is that the 3 admirals went after Boa, Mihawk and Whitebear Jr. while Stainless went after Buggy since they were the only 4 remaining shichibukai at the time,

CoC is not everything, Garp doesn't have it and one might argue he was stronger than Roger and Whitebeard

It would make sense for Fujitora to go after Hancock because he has the advantage of being blind and immune to her beauty. In fact the manga hinted that with Fuji being on a ship in the middle of the calm belt where Amazon Lily is located.

 

[Holt]

It wouldn't be for the first time Oda just skips something major, the most likely scenario is that the 3 admirals went after Boa, Mihawk and Whitebear Jr. while Stainless went after Buggy since they were the only 4 remaining shichibukai at the time,

CoC is not everything, Garp doesn't have it and one might argue he was stronger than Roger and Whitebeard

Coby said they were going after Boa. I'd argue the marines will never do anything as crazy as sending all admirals out especially with reverie ongoing. Way too risky.

It isn't, but it's clearly important. Garp was Roger's rival but I don't think he was ever stated to be superior to either. In fact, Roger more or less turned himself in. It still remains that CoC yonko level clashing splits the skies while Mihawk's slash intended for WB was stopped by Jozu. There isn't much to say about this. I'm a fan of both Shanks and Mihawk. I believe though that the manga doesn't necessarily support Mihawk being superior to Shanks despite the title

 

[Shasha23]

It would make sense for Fujitora to go after Hancock because he has the advantage of being blind and immune to her beauty. In fact the manga hinted that with Fuji being on a ship in the middle of the calm belt where Amazon Lily is located.

Yeap and i cant remember the whole thing but it sounded like they were even fighting sea kings during the whole thing.
Kizaru probably went after Jr. since the marines where complaining about Jr. to him which means Ryokugyu when after Mihawk

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Coby said they were going after Boa. I'd argue the marines will never do anything as crazy as sending all admirals out especially with reverie ongoing. Way too risky.

It isn't, but it's clearly important. Garp was Roger's rival but I don't think he was ever stated to be superior to either. In fact, Roger more or less turned himself in. It still remains that CoC yonko level clashing splits the skies while Mihawk's slash intended for WB was stopped by Jozu. There isn't much to say about this. I'm a fan of both Shanks and Mihawk. I believe though that the manga doesn't necessarily support Mihawk being superior to Shanks despite the title

Reverie ended 1 week ago.

Garp stopped Rocks the greatest thread the WG had ever had, it could be argued that since Whitebeard and Roger had always been equal the 2 fought while Garp defeated Rocks and became a marine hero.
Oda pretty much says your wrong when he decided to make Mihawk WSS and not Shanks, thinking otherwise is foolish since it contradicts the manga and mangaka!

 

[Fox666]

One thing I wonder though, why not have the shichibukai's crews also join in against Whitebeard?

The Shichibukai are the only ones obligated to obey the government orders. Apparently the government is not even sure who their crew is.

 

[M3J]

What is overall combat including?

hand-to-hand as well as sword fighting?

Some fans love to use the phrase "stronger in overall combat" to justify their wrong assessment since they can't accept why the author made another character superior to their favorite character.

what a shitty logic

It doesn't really matter how ferocious the marines have gotten though. The power gap is not something that can be bypassed with that. Fuujitora is an admiral and yet we have Zoro and Sabo holding their own against him. If they were really that ferocious, then all marines will be bloodthirsty (not that it makes much of a difference anyway). The point is, if Mihawk really was stronger than a yonko (Shanks), the marines would have to at least send an admiral after him if they had any plans to capture. Anything less is pointless. I think they underestimate him (and Hancock and Weevil) but that only helps the Shanks > Mihawk point.

I do think Yonko > Admirals though. The only person I'd really put in the bracket even if being strict is Akainu. He has to be Yonko level. The others are barely there. DF or not, Akainu is an absolute monster tbh. For the other admirals, I don't really think they'd best a yonko 1v1 (except it's Blackbeard maybe). For Akainu, I can't say exactly. He's good enough to be firmly in the yonko bracket

But what if it can be, or they think it is? Akainu might have had the Marines train hard enough that the few soldiers could probably take on the veterans of pre-timeskip years. Fujitora also didn't seem to get too serious, he just used gravity against Zoro and few clashes with the sword. Fujitora could have taken it easy because he didn't sense malice from Zoro or didn't trust Doflamingo.

But that's true, but I guess they think it's not worth it against one man. The likes of Shanks and Whitebeard weren't confronted because they had their crew behind them, whereas MIhawk is alone.

What about Aokiji given they both fought for ten days in an extremely close fight?

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The Shichibukai are the only ones obligated to obey the government orders. Apparently the government is not even sure who their crew is.

So are their crews? It does feel like Oda didn't have much idea of their crews though

 

[nik87]

hand-to-hand as well as sword fighting?

That wont help Shanks to win, if anything he loses easier if he turns to non-sword.

 

[M3J]

Highly debatable as Shanks did become an Emperor with just one arm.

 

[nik87]

Highly debatable as Shanks did become an Emperor with just one arm.

One arm is enough to use a sword.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

One arm is enough to use a sword.

It's preferable to have both.
Yet Shanks is so badass that when he (intentionally) lost an arm, he said it was nothing - hinting it doesn't prevent him from getting stronger.

Head forward some years later and dude has risen to the status of Yonko. You can ask what makes you a Yonko?
First comes your ridiculous strength that makes others perceive you as a different creature (almost like some god).
Then comes having powerful subordinates and a crazy large crew/allies/network of people.

Mihawk seems as powerful as the strongest Yonko Commanders but he's definitely not on the same level as Yonkos - he never got the chance to fight one.

 

[nik87]

Mihawk seems as powerful as the strongest Yonko Commanders but he's definitely not on the same level as Yonkos - he never got the chance to fight one.

Head forward some years later and dude has risen to the status of Yonko.

Didnt he fight the same guy who became Yonko? Also, dont tell me Shanks is the only one who grew and Mihawk remained the same.
There is nothing to judge Mihawk's power by. He has told us long ago that he is not a brute who uses a cannon to hunt a rabbit.
He was already WSS, achieved his goal. He has no crew and territories to obtain a Yonko status. There is no title above WSS even if he is stronger than literally anyone but we can assume that he was nr3 with Kaido and Whitebeard around who were nr1 and nr2.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

What is overall combat including?

It includes physical strength, speed, endurance, stamina, durability, Haki, DF ability, weapon skills (sword, bisento, trident, club, baton, knives, etc), and anything associated with being regarded as powerful in One Piece terms. A character may have just one, a combination, or all of this.

For example: Kuina is physically weaker than Zoro yet she's the better swords(wo)man. Mostly the reason Mihawk is regarded as WSS. There's most likely no one better in the art of swordsmanship than him in the current era.

Usopp is physically weaker than most characters yet he is adept at sniping - there are very few that can rival or better this particular skill of his. His father, one of Blackbeard's subordinates and that's mostly it. He's also able to endure great pain were it not for this, he should be dead many times over.

The future PK, Luffy has all the combat abilities except weapon mastery.
Katakuri on the other hand has a good combination of everything in his overall combat ability. He has Haki (all 3), great physical strength, good durability, decent stamina, good endurance, weapon mastery (trident), great speed, total mastery of his devil fruit...

 

[nik87]

It includes physical strength, speed, endurance, stamina, durability, Haki, DF ability, weapon skills (sword, bisento, trident, club, baton, knives, etc)

In which of those stats is Shanks better than Mihawk?

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

He was already WSS

Guess what?
Katakuri is world strongest Trident user.
Whitebeard is world strongest Bisento user.
Yasopp is world strongest sniper.
I could go on...

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In which of those stats is Shanks better than Mihawk?

By what we've seen, Shanks has better endurance since he has lost an arm and passed it as nothing. Didn't even flinch.
We've not seen Mihawk deal with pain so until then...

Shanks has greater Haki mastery (all 3) than Mihawk who at best has 2 colours that's a fact.

Mihawk has better sword mastery than Shanks since he's obviously WSS.

As for other stats. More fight screen time will reveal for both characters although it's a no-brainer how powerful they both are.

 

[nik87]

Guess what?
Katakuri is world strongest Trident user.
Whitebeard is world strongest Bisento user.
Yasopp is world strongest sniper.
I could go on...

Oda never gave attention to those through the official World's Strongest titles.

By what we've seen, Shanks has better endurance since he has lost an arm and passed it as nothing. Didn't even flinch.
We've not seen Mihawk deal with pain so until then...
Shanks has greater Haki mastery (all 3) than Mihawk who at best has 2 colours that's a fact.
Mihawk has better sword mastery than Shanks since he's obviously WSS.
As for other stats. More fight screen time will reveal for both characters although it's a no-brainer how powerful they both are.

Eh? Better endurance? No endurance feats from either of them. Shanks only has shown that his body isnt durable, same for everyone else not Kaido and BM.
Greater Haki mastery? Based on what? Lack of black blade? No CoO feats? Do you know for a fact that Mihawk doesnt have CoC and why is it important since it does nothing?
I dont see anything superior from Shanks except him having CoC for sure and Mihawk perhaps not having it and so far CoC plays no role at all in a fight.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Eh? Better endurance? No endurance feats from either of them.

Do you even know what endurance is? I hope you aren't confusing endurance with durability.

The ability to tolerate pain/hardship, that's endurance.
Whitebeard is number one with what we've seen.
Kaido and Big Mom have not shown any endurance feat because of their durability.

In fact Kaido may as well have poor endurance given his scene with Oden.
Shanks has great endurance from what we've seen of him losing a limb and still carrying on like nothing happened. He was even smiling and laughing to Luffy telling him to be more of a man and not to cry.

It also seems you've forgotten some parts of the Manga. Shanks CoO was confirmed a very long time ago. I can remember the Anime portrayed it better:
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His CoA was confirmed when he blocked Akainu's Magma with a mere sword. The only thing that kept his sword from burning was his armament Haki.
Don't forget this!

 

[nik87]

Do you even know what endurance is? I hope you aren't confusing endurance with durability.
The ability to tolerate pain/hardship, that's endurance.

How long did he endure it? For the duration of the entire sentence that Luffy mustered? He didnt fight with that wound like WB did. It is an irrelevant scene.

Shanks CoO was confirmed a very long time ago.

Confirmed yes but any hype around it? Higher hype than a guy with a nickname Hawkeye(Clairvoyant)? None.

His CoA was confirmed when he blocked Akainu's Magma with a mere sword. The only thing that kept his sword from burning was his armament Haki.
Don't forget this!

It was a simple flow blast that Sentomaru and Boa Marigold can use too as well as weak old grandpa Hyo...

I am still waiting to see what "overall combat" can do for Shanks to help him against Mihawk but so far nobody has anything.

 

[Fox666]

It also seems you've forgotten some parts of the Manga. Shanks CoO was confirmed a very long time ago. I can remember the Anime portrayed it better:

I think that's actually Conqueror's Haki. A few times when Luffy was clashing against another Conqueror (i.e. Chinjao), they could tell it was Conqueror's Haki, most likely because of this sort of shockwave...

 

[M3J]

One arm is enough to use a sword.

And one arm is enough to be one of the best fighters.

In which of those stats is Shanks better than Mihawk?

In which of those stats is Mihawk better than Shanks?