One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

The most we got was Buggy saying he wanted to see the treasure, and Shanks telling Buggy that he will see it on his own when they grow up.

This also suggests Shanks do want to get to Laugh Tale.

I highly doubt that as Shanks doesn't seem to have made any move to get there. If anything, he probably would want to get there with the chosen one/the successor, but as far as I know, he hasn't shown any aspiration. I do think he could get to Raftel if he wanted to though, he seems pretty strong for that.

 

[XXGenesis]

Comparing a Pirate Captain Crew or even a Yonkou's Crew vs The Naval Forces(Military Force) of the WG isnt fair. Throw in old system of warlords, WG easily can own any 1 Emperor.

Admirals Vs Marco, Ace, Jozu, Vista
.....vs Katakrui, Smoothie, Cracker, Snack
.....vs King, Queen, Jack
.....vs Beckamn, Yassop, Lucky Roo

Admirals win Mid Diff; Greenbull & Fujitora IMO are more High Commander lv than the OG Admirals who are very well Yonkou Lv in their own rights.

Strongest commander imo are
Marco, Vista
King. Queen & Jack
Beckman, Yassop
Katakuri, Smoothie

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Mihawk's title is the World's Strongest Swordsman, not the World's Greatest Fighter. He can be the best swordsman but not a great fighter,

Except that swordsman is a type of fighter
Which makes him the strongest against all swordsmen in a fight
And shanks is a swordsman, so... tough luck, my friend, mihawk is the stronger one

 

[thedude]

In my opinion the problem with WB crew and the Admirals is that they have the spotlight before the time-skip. At that time the power levels are much different than they are today. I think the Fleet Admiral have the power of a Yonko and the Admirals the power of the Yonko Commanders. I always think that the Marines have the same power of the Yonkos crews.

Just to be crystal clear, in my opinion the power pyramid is the following:

Akainu = Kaido = BM = Shanks. I don’t know if BB is stronger than them, he seems to be as strong as they are, but I don’t know if I put him in the same level or a level above them.

Kizaru, Fujitora, Green Bull = Katakuri, Cracker, Smoothie = King, Queen, Jack. Again we have a problem here. BB crew seems to be overpower, all of them seems to be monstrous strong. I don’t know if I put them here or a little above this guys. And Shanks crew seems to be a little stronger than them to since they are said to be close to Shanks in power. Marco to is said to be fairly strong (he is mentioned as one of the very few that can fight with BB) so I put the trio of WB as Vista, Jozu and Thatch or Ace.

I think it just a matter of seeing the patterns in all those groups. A leader, tree strong trust man and a larger group of strong individuals to make a good support. They are the Vice Admirals of Marines, the Ministers of BM, the F6 and the numbers of Kaido, the others commanders of WB

Don't agree with your power rankings, but I do agree with your first statement, stuff pre-Timeskip has to be taken with proper context. Oda hadn't developed haki the same as he has now (when Akainu was stopped by a slash and he said "damn haki users", he was unhurt by the slash. If it happened today he'd be cut there). So pre-timeskip vs post-timeskip isn't the best way to judge things, Oda hadn't fleshed things out.

I don't think there is anything to say that the Fleet Admiral is the strongest. It's just a promotion based on various things (in this case, it was strength, Akainu did beat Aokiji, but that doesn't mean he's stronger than Kizaru or Fujitora now. It just means he wanted the promotion and they didn't.)

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Comparing a Pirate Captain Crew or even a Yonkou's Crew vs The Naval Forces(Military Force) of the WG isnt fair. Throw in old system of warlords, WG easily can own any 1 Emperor.

Admirals Vs Marco, Ace, Jozu, Vista
.....vs Katakrui, Smoothie, Cracker, Snack
.....vs King, Queen, Jack
.....vs Beckamn, Yassop, Lucky Roo

Admirals win Mid Diff; Greenbull & Fujitora IMO are more High Commander lv than the OG Admirals who are very well Yonkou Lv in their own rights.

Strongest commander imo are
Marco, Vista
King. Queen & Jack
Beckman, Yassop
Katakuri, Smoothie

if the WG could easily own 1 emperor, they would. In the end, they needed home turf advantage, plus the intervention of Blackbeard's crew, just to defeat 1 dying Yonko. "easily" doesn't really work for that. If they were that strong, what's stopping them from taking out any one of the Yonko at any time?

We really have to trust Oda's words, he's been pretty clear on how strong a Yonko and his crew is. He's shown us how reluctant they are to even consider challenging one.

 

[XXGenesis]

We really have to trust Oda's words, he's been pretty clear on how strong a Yonko and his crew is. He's shown us how reluctant they are to even consider challenging one.

1 Emperor doesn't hold the entire balance of power by their self. The 4 of them create that make up of Power within the World.

If Shanks didnt interfere the Marines would have killed ever member & supporter of the WB pirates in attendance. If BB didnt intervene WB would have caused more damage to Marineford, but still would have been killed by an Admiral no doubt.

Take another logistic look at the Marine's casualty rate compared to WB Crew...Ace died, & WB was mortally injured after confronting Akainu. 10 Commanders battle worn and exhausted, Jozu hurt & incapacitated, Marco battle worn, Vista healthy but not at full stamina....Compared to 1 slightly injured Akainu, Akoji & Kizaru who haven't broken a sweet, with a few VA & battle crazed veteran marines.

 

[M3J]

Except that swordsman is a type of fighter
Which makes him the strongest against all swordsmen in a fight
And shanks is a swordsman, so... tough luck, my friend, mihawk is the stronger one

Shanks is also an Emperor whose strength seems to be enough that no Yonkou or Marine would dare attack him whereas people had no problem attacking the WSS.

If Luffy was the strongest pirate of his era, and he picked up a sword and called himself a swordsman, would he be able to beat a WSS in swordsmanship? Highly doubt it. And Mihawk has given no indication he could take on fighters without his swords either.

 

[M3J]

Even with the warlords, the WG could not easily beat an Emperor. The reason why there's a stalemate between the Emperors and the Marines is because if one tried to take the other out, whether Big Mom vs. Shanks or Blackbeard vs. the Marines, it'd result in a Pyrrhic victory that make it easier or easy for the next opponent to beat them. For example, if Big Mom or Blackbeard wins after taking heavy losses, Kaidou could swoop in and beat either or even both at the same time.

I mean, the whole reason why Big Mom is so pissed off at one of her daughters is because she planned on using the marriage as an alliance with the giants and add their power to hers so she could finally take out Emperors.

 

[Fox666]

Also even if the WG took down one of the Emperors, the others would form alliances.

 

[albertwv]

How I see it, WG vs. 1 Yonkou's crew, its a 50/50 chance the WG might win. WG = Marines and 7 Warlords. WG was afraid of WB and RH pirates teaming up, just like Kaido and BM forming an alliance. There's no way the WG can beat them together. Same goes for any Yonko vs. Yonko.

Akainu lost easily against WB, if WB was full health he would take down Akainu even faster. Akainu is NOT equal to any Yonko. He might put up a fight but other than that he would lose. The only reason he is dangerous is because of his DF, just like Enel. Enel's DF is overpowered but Enel would lose to Rob Lucci in Enies Lobby, if Lucci had haki at that time.

 

[M3J]

Also even if the WG took down one of the Emperors, the others would form alliances.

Highly doubt this. Whitebeard was taken down, but there was no alliance after that. I think Big Mom and Kaidou formed an alliance because of their shared enmity in Luffy. Even if they did, there'd likely be betrayal at some point as each Emperor bar Whitebeard (and possibly Shanks) want to become the Pirate King.

If they wanted to, they could have formed an alliance to take down the Marines long ago.

 

[nik87]

None. Even Zoro doesn't mention Shanks vs. Mihawk.

Mihawk's title is the World's Strongest Swordsman, not the World's Greatest Fighter. He can be the best swordsman but not a great fighter, otherwise he'd have the hype that Whitebeard and Kaidou did/does.

That was my point... You wish their duel would be mentioned more while no duel is being mentioned more...

How can he be best swordsman but not a great fighter? Swordsmanship is a way of fighting and he is the best at it.

Sure, he lacks hype compared to WSC and WSM but it's obviously because he is different character entirely. He is a loner and he doesnt use a cannon to hunt rabbits.

 

[AmitDS]

I think Kaido's son could be his strongest commander which would push Jack to 4th place and becoming the Snack of Kaido's crew. I say this, not only because it's Kaido's son that's being revealed, but because Jack was a kid when Kaido and his crew dominated Wano and beat Oden 20+ years ago, so Kaido having a son who was a teen or young man back then to fight alongside King and Queen could make sense. Snack was also a kid 20+ years ago so the weakest commanders could be the kids back then who are now in their 20s-early 30s.

 

[M3J]

Swordsmanship is about fighting with swords. Being a great fighter is more than just swordsmanship. Mihawk can be a great swordsman but bad at hand-to-hand fighting. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Yeah, and it makes me wonder if Mihawk being the greatest swordsman was only because of Shanks losing his arm.

Nah, he'd still have hype as someone who's considered the World's Strongest and is a warlord.

 

[nik87]

Swordsmanship is about fighting with swords. Being a great fighter is more than just swordsmanship. Mihawk can be a great swordsman but bad at hand-to-hand fighting. Not sure what's so hard to understand.

Yeah, and it makes me wonder if Mihawk being the greatest swordsman was only because of Shanks losing his arm.

Nah, he'd still have hype as someone who's considered the World's Strongest and is a warlord.

Being wss is being a good fighter even if you suck without swords. Why would he fight without swords in the first place?

I wonder if Shanks is a Yonko only because he was fighting Mihawk.
He has the hype as world's strongest...

 

[M3J]

Yes, but it's not being a great fighter if you can't fight without swords. Zoro has also been forced to fight without swords as well, if I recall correctly (although this was only during Davy Jones?), and he managed to do good deal of damage.

 

[Aki1991]

Why is Akainu so underestimated here?

 

[M3J]

Because people think Whitebeard was owning him when all I remember is that Akainu kept getting back up and fighting.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Shanks is also an Emperor whose strength seems to be enough that no Yonkou or Marine would dare attack him whereas people had no problem attacking the WSS.

If Luffy was the strongest pirate of his era, and he picked up a sword and called himself a swordsman, would he be able to beat a WSS in swordsmanship? Highly doubt it. And Mihawk has given no indication he could take on fighters without his swords either.

Sure, nobody dared to attack shanks, except that kidd made an alliance for that......
Also shanks crew were afraid when they saw hawkeye in his territory (when he informed about luffy)

When did i say mihawk is the strongest fighter? He is just the strongest in swordsmanship and no one can beat him, including shanks

 

[M3J]

Imagine all this hype over Mihawk only for the manga to reveal that Mihawk got that title only because Shanks lost an arm, not because he beat Shanks.

Kidd made an alliance for that. Other than Krieg, no one tried to gather lots of swordsmen to take down Mihawk. I also don't remember Shanks' crew being afraid of Mihawk.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Bartolomeo also had no problems to invade shanks territory even tho "no yonko dare to attack him"

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Other than Krieg, no one tried to gather lots of swordsmen to take down Mihawk.

Except krieg never even planned that. Mihawk just cut the ship coz he was bored.