One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

goldb · Aug 23, 2020

Ground Rules for the Power Level Discussion Thread

As always, please follow the guidelines set by the Forum Rules that apply across the board.

It's important that discussions from a current chapter are spoiler tagged until 24h have passed from an english release.

For the sake of constructive discussion, where and when possible please quote/ source any information you provide. Particularly when it comes to conversations carried over from other threads.
Avoid passive agressive posts, sly remarks or baiting/trolling. You can certainly have fun or disagree without it being at someone's expense.
Only use anime examples that are canon and as means to provide clarity to pages in the manga. Any other anime material is otherwise non-canon and should only be referenced if it can be proved that the mangaka had approved it.
We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

Shanks v Mihawk
Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
Zoro > Luffy
Zoro v Sanji
Is Smoker a top 30 character?
Mihawk's rank within the story
Law having CoC currently.
Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

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Shasha23 · Apr 29, 2020

@Pea LOL watch as Lexus comes back next page while changing the subject

Pirate Queen · Apr 29, 2020

Shasha23 said:
@Lexusflame it was entertaining reading your twisted logic that contradicted the author but now its just sad!

Whelp, you'll show me when Mihawk finally does something. You can go ahead and say "Take that!" And I'll give you a gold star for all the pain I put you through

nik87 · Apr 29, 2020

Swordphobia is quite strong here but only when it comes to Zoro and Mihawk.
When it is Shanks, nobody has a problem with swords... :stare

thedude · Apr 29, 2020

nik87 said:
Swordphobia is quite strong here but only when it comes to Zoro and Mihawk.
When it is Shanks, nobody has a problem with swords...

We don't talk about Shanks or his swords, because we haven't seen him in a real fight. You see...we don't make things up about people, we take what the manga actually gives us. And the manga has made clear that Yonko are the top of the heap strength wise. So however Shanks fights, he's in the top 4 of pirates.

BM also fights with swords and is stronger than Mihawk.

WB also fought with a blade that depending on how you classify, was a sword, and he was stronger than Mihawk even on the day he was having heart attacks.

~Akagami~ · Apr 29, 2020

Chapter 434 shanks meets whitebeard

WB mentions about Duels of shanks and mihawk. And duel between pirates are matter of pride so they must be kinda serious ones. ( Some people might object but it does have a merit ) making Mihawk pretty much near about shanks if not less

As for Marine ford battle neither WB used Haki clad attacks on any admiral nor any Schibukai. WB only wanted to save Ace. If WB used Haki attack in chapter 567 it would be aokiji as the 1st victim from marines. Marineford was a plot no justsu so Luffy progresses. Neither we saw WB full power nor admirals full potential

thedude · Apr 29, 2020

McNuss said:
Durability isn't just one thing, it s a core feat, and imho it is much more important than Sanji's biggest feat, speed.

Just look at the absolute Top Tier of One Piece:

Kaido, Big Mom, Whitebeard, Akainu,....

Durability is always played as a key feat.

And only Kizaru is known for being particularly fast.

Key is that these guys can fight for days and destroy entire islands in the proccess. Unlikely that Sanji will ever achieve anything like that, but Zoro has already almost achieved the latter as he can cut mountains.

Also first you tell me to "properly read the manga", but then you discard the canonical databooks? ??????

Also I don't know what you mean with "blocked a Yonko punch". That one time they counterattacked Big Mom, he was clearly just reinforcing Luffy.

Durability is great, it doesn't make him miles stronger. Until the manga starts presenting them otherwise, it is as it was - Zoro slightly stronger than Sanji, but roughly equal.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 29, 2020, Original Post Date: Apr 29, 2020 ---

Shasha23 said:
Zoro has referenced that the others are fine but never Sanji, your lying again, Sanji more often than not puts Nami in danger because of his stupidity.
Zoro smiling because Sanji saved Usopp means Jabra was strong? this is proof for you? are you serious?
Yes Zoro taking Luffy's damage is a feat and Sanji never attacked any yonko ship stop liying, you cant help but tell lies can you?

So, since i brought proof, will you be correcting this?

Pirate Queen · Apr 29, 2020

Pea said:
And who did Aokiji clash with? Who did Kizaru clash with?

I guess they're now YC level.

It means the YC were strong enough to tango with Admirals and eventually it was revealed the Admirals were > Yonko Commanders. They did clash, bu the results were apparent. Admirals > YC, that doesn't conflict with what I said at all. For all the talk of facts you sure know how to half ass them.

Mihawk was straight up stalled by Vista for 2 chapters.

thedude · Apr 29, 2020

~Akagami~ said:
Chapter 434 shanks meets whitebeard

WB mentions about Duels of shanks and mihawk. And duel between pirates are matter of pride so they must be kinda serious ones. ( Some people might object but it does have a merit ) making Mihawk pretty much near about shanks if not less

As for Marine ford battle neither WB used Haki clad attacks on any admiral nor any Schibukai. WB only wanted to save Ace. If WB used Haki attack in chapter 567 it would be aokiji as the 1st victim from marines. Marineford was a plot no justsu so Luffy progresses. Neither we saw WB full power nor admirals full potential

He was near him 6 years before Shanks became a Yonko. I think it's safe to assume Shanks got stronger.

I ignore pre-timeskip haki stuff. Oda just hadn't developed it.

nik87 · Apr 29, 2020

thedude said:
We don't talk about Shanks or his swords, because we haven't seen him in a real fight. You see...we don't make things up about people, we take what the manga actually gives us. And the manga has made clear that Yonko are the top of the heap strength wise. So however Shanks fights, he's in the top 4 of pirates.
BM also fights with swords and is stronger than Mihawk.
WB also fought with a blade that depending on how you classify, was a sword, and he was stronger than Mihawk even on the day he was having heart attacks.

Based on the wrong translation Yonko are 4 strongest, based on actual translation they are 4 most powerful(as in political power).
What manga gave you is Mihawk being WSS despite 2 Yonko being swordsmen and that's where your relationship with manga ends.
Headcanon takes over at that point.

Pirate Queen · Apr 29, 2020

They are politically powerful @thedude Not THEE STRONGEST

Whitebeard attacked Marineford with pushing legislature through a congress! Not the Qukae Quake fruit! That Admirals fear his government connections not his Naginata! Whitebears summoned a tsunami, but not a tsunami of WATER but of government oversight and his demands for redistribution of government funds.

And Kaido is the WSC POLITICALLY! HE WAS DEFEATED 7 TIMES NOT BY PHYSICAL ALTERCATIONS BUT BY BEING DEFEATED IN THE COURTS!

Big Mom ratifying connections and through force marriages and producing children is why Mothe Caramel said Big Mom could possibly be a fleet admiral not because she was physically strong.

And Shanks... he has dark connection to the Gorosei who secretly control the world. Its was that strength, the strength of his tongue, that blocked Akainu's magma fist NOT his sword.

The Yonko are the 4 strongest POLITICALLY. WHY CANT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT!!!!

Shasha23 · Apr 29, 2020

thedude said:
So, since i brought proof, will you be correcting this?

Some of us cant see the invisible!
Or are you talking about when Sanji, CC, Chopper, Nami, Brook and Momo attacked the Queen Mama Chanter? if so why are you making it out as if it was just Sanji, or did you block out manga facts again because they didn't align with your delusions?

Pirate Queen · Apr 29, 2020

Shasha23 said:
Some of us cant see the invisible!

How do you not know Sanji attacked the Queen Momma Chanter?

Shasha23 · Apr 29, 2020

Lexusflame said:
How do you not know Sanji attacked the Queen Momma Chanter?

Because i read the One Piece manga written by Oda, and in that manga the people who attacked Queen Mama Chanter were Sanji, CC, Nami, Chopper, Brook and Momo.

Pirate Queen · Apr 29, 2020

Shasha23 said:
Because i read the One Piece manga written by Oda, and in that manga the people who attacked Queen Mama Chanter were Sanji, CC, Nami, Chopper, Brook and Momo.

But you said Sanji didn't attack a Yonko ship... and he clearly did

Shasha23 · Apr 29, 2020

Lexusflame said:
But you said Sanji didn't attack a Yonko ship... and he clearly did

Yes in the version of One Piece your reading he totally rekt the Queen Mama Chanter solo

nik87 · Apr 29, 2020

Wait a second. Is Zoro taking on all of Luffy's pain and suffering on top of his own damage compared to Sanji kicking cannons at a ship? :stare

Shasha23 · Apr 29, 2020

nik87 said:
Wait a second. Is Zoro taking on all of Luffy's pain and suffering on top of his own damage compared to Sanji kicking cannons at a ship?

Yes according to ~~Fox and Friends~~ Lexus and Friends

Pirate Queen · Apr 29, 2020

Shasha23 said:
Yes in the version of One Piece your reading he totally rekt the Queen Mama Chanter solo

I never said that lol. Your trying way too hard to make me appear like a liar. You said Sanji didnt attack a Yonko ship... but he did. Whatever else youare arguing I am not apart of. You were clearly wrong.

Man you are triggered by everything today...