One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

Think more your always misunderstand what I mean in narration. Got check posts carefully as I am not stating neither what you mean nor cherrypicking. Just don't bring stuff that has nothing to do with conversation and talk another time then.

Well, that's it. There went any ounce of interest I had left in trying to talk some sense into you, so this is the end of our debates.

Took me long enough.

Wait like anime movies or anime in general?

Anime does heinous things from time to time. The way they brought down Mihawk's performance at Marineford (for the sake of making the episodes longer) was what made me drop it and stick to the manga.

Strongest hand to hand combattants il a 1v1 are imo

Akainu
Kaido
Prime Garp
Diamond Jozu
Boa Hancock
Jimbe
Luffy
Old garp

Akainu that high without his magma? I mean, his haki is pretty strong and he can even "logia-dodge" haki-infused attacks, but all the damage he dealt through the war was using his haki in tandem with his magma (piercing Ace, Jimbei and Whitebeard's face); nothing too impressive if we took away his DF.

 

[Ramen]

He is man. He is only major one who have rivalry with the crew and grows with him. Coby we seen how he was when they face and was one-shot material. It's not pushing narration, it call using logical and see difference. Though logical goes out the window with you seeing how your going by in your posts.

Yes all of us are illogical and you're the only one who's using his head lol.

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Smoker is also one shot material. One G4 punch and it's over.

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Though logical goes out the window with you seeing how your going by in your posts.

You say this to every single person you debate lmao.

 

[King Moe]

Well, that's it. There went any ounce of interest I had left in trying to talk some sense into you, so this is the end of our debates.

Took me long enough.


Anime does heinous things from time to time. The way they brought down Mihawk's performance at Marineford (for the sake of making the episodes longer) was what made me drop it and stick to the manga.


Akainu that high without his magma? I mean, his haki is pretty strong and he can even "logia-dodge" haki-infused attacks, but all the damage he dealt through the war was using his haki in tandem with his magma (piercing Ace, Jimbei and Whitebeard's face); nothing too impressive if we took away his DF.

Same, you seem to talk with agenda more than trying to honestly understand. We won't get anywhere if this leading to these 'misunderstanding'. Agree to Disagree.

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Yes all of us are illogical and you're the only one who's using his head lol.

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Smoker is also one shot material. One G4 punch and it's over.

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You say this to every single person you debate lmao.

When involve others? See now your putting words in others mouth. Got stop that xD.

They never fought, so you don't know and take more than that on current Smoker. We not talking PH Smoker

Only few people like Nik and your truly being no different on how you respond.

 

[Ramen]

When involve others? See now your putting words in others mouth. Got stop that xD.

No but you said to me and others that were not being logical. You legit said to @Moegara when discussing Zoro and Sanji in Wano.

They never fought, so you don't know and take more than that on current Smoker. We not talking PH Smoker

Current Smoker is not a thing. Last time we saw him he was getting foddered.

Only few people like Nik and your truly being no different on how you respond.

I've never said Zoro will be the strongest and solo Kaido so....not really.

 

[King Moe]

No but you said to me and others that were not being logical. You legit said to @Moegara when discussing Zoro and Sanji in Wano.




Current Smoker is not a thing. Last time we saw him he was getting foddered.



I've never said Zoro will be the strongest and solo Kaido so....not really.

You said 'all of us' as in 'everyone' I talk to here and only stated it to a few like you two on your 'logical', but I respect what others said on their end and didn't say their side was illogical. Just because we can't agree and you don't like it, doesn't mean you should put words on others mouth.

He gotten stronger since PH, so yeah he wouldn't be fodderize at all. You got no proof on that and we not talking about PH Smoker.

You lead to talks to add in there though, so....Yeah.

Again we can do this all day in debating each other, but just stop with snark remarks and let's continue to our own business.

 

[afromarco005]

Think our long conversation is proof of that. What more is there?

You put parts of that among your conversation especially use WSS why he be stronger than others like Sanji. Again we going back in circles. If you can't admit fault, then we not getting anywhere.

Let's stop talking until another time to each other.

Why in the world would anyone think that Sanji is stronger than the WSS? Mihawk is leagues above Sanji

Well, that's it. There went any ounce of interest I had left in trying to talk some sense into you, so this is the end of our debates.

Took me long enough.


Anime does heinous things from time to time. The way they brought down Mihawk's performance at Marineford (for the sake of making the episodes longer) was what made me drop it and stick to the manga.


Akainu that high without his magma? I mean, his haki is pretty strong and he can even "logia-dodge" haki-infused attacks, but all the damage he dealt through the war was using his haki in tandem with his magma (piercing Ace, Jimbei and Whitebeard's face); nothing too impressive if we took away his DF.

Akainu is perhaps the tankiest character on my list he isnt going down first in a fist fight plus his strenght is gargantuan. Jimbe is top 3 underwater.

 

[Nie Li]

Akainu is perhaps the tankiest character on my list he isnt going down first in a fist fight plus his strenght is gargantuan. Jimbe is top 3 underwater.

Fair point. I didn't take into account the earthquake-punches he tanked and he was still standing and active.

 

[Ramen]

Akainu is perhaps the tankiest character on my list he isnt going down first in a fist fight plus his strenght is gargantuan.

In terms of knocking someone out for a long period of time, I think only Kaido could.

 

[King Moe]

Why in the world would anyone think that Sanji is stronger than the WSS? Mihawk is leagues above Sanji


Akainu is perhaps the tankiest character on my list he isnt going down first in a fist fight plus his strenght is gargantuan. Jimbe is top 3 underwater.

Mihawk is about YC lvl from what we seen and Sanji will surpass that long before at EOS. Idk what or where your looking and being WSS doesn't push to be stronger than Sanji. Oda pushing them to be equal rivals on how he goes with their relationship without stating who strong than other. No shame on Zoro on being equal to him. There be others who stronger than him and equal with him. Got accept that even in EOS.

 

[goldb]

I say his PH lvl version is which I agree. Though we don't know his current version, but I feel next time we see him he come back top 30 and I will agree to do changes like you want me when we visit the topic again when we see him.

You don't need to make changes to your list if we've agreed that Smoker isn't in the top 30 strongest characters. Once he's reintroduced and the manga showcases his strength at that time, we can revisit this topic. For now we can move on to other discussions.

I said they have similar traits, but won't exactly be the same on what who they going to be. Luffy isn't going to be like Roger all the way as he be his own person as well Smoker to Garp as similar, but different on where they lead to. I see Smoker going to FA as staying VA has no sense to him much on why he does that. Just stating on traits they share with those they remind in the series from past generation when Roger was around. Not necessarily they be 100% like them as again they are their own person too. Obvious there will be differences between both characters xD.

First of all, Luffy is compared to Roger by people who personally know Roger (Shanks, Rayleigh), we've not seen anyone compare Smoker to Garp. We've not seen anyone being compared to Garp. I'll give you that one of the traits they share seems to be lack of respect for authority (or at least just the WG/Celestial Dragons), other than that they're nothing alike; not in terms of strength, reputation or personality ( Garp is carefree by nature, Smoker is more of hardass). Feel free to prove me wrong.
All Marines chase pirates, Tsuru was doing the same thing to Doflamingo, so Smoker doing that to the SH isn't a point for comparison with Garp. If there's anyone to compare to Garp it would be Coby; seeing as he's the one who was trained by him and therefore inherited his Marine "Justice" you could say. But even then, it's a loose case to make.

BOLDEN PART: Why doesn't it make sense for Smoker to remain a VA at the end of the series? Especially if you're comparing him to Garp who stayed at that rank his entire career and built a legendary status for himself.
I don't disagree that he could become Fleet Admiral come the end of the series but it won't be "because it doesn't make sense for him to stay as a Vice Admiral" because that's not a logical reason.

But the underlying thing is, as @Moegara pointed out, this new generation of characters don't have to match up with the previous one. So just because Luffy reminds certain characters of Roger, doesn't then mean there needs to be another Garp, another Rayleigh, another Whitebeard, so on and so forth.

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@goldb Seems like the Smoker debates are irrelevant at this point.

Yeah I'm gonna add it to the list, until the manga can provide any material to show his current strength and prove us otherwise.

 

[Nie Li]

Okay, whaaaat?

After two weeks of arguing that Sanji right now is LEAGUES above Zoro, putting Sanji on a top 30 while leaving Zoro out of it. Two weeks of undermining everything about current Zoro while hyping current Sanji, and now all of a sudden:

Mihawk is about YC lvl from what we seen and Sanji will surpass that long before at EOS. Idk what or where your looking and being WSS doesn't push to be stronger than Sanji. Oda pushing them to be equal rivals on how he goes with their relationship without stating who strong than other. No shame on Zoro on being equal to him. There be others who stronger than him and equal with him. Got accept that even in EOS.

I swear I'm not trying to be snark but this has got to be trolling. I just can't not point this out. I cannot.

 

[King Moe]

Okay, whaaaat?

After two weeks of arguing that Sanji right now is LEAGUES above Zoro, putting Sanji on a top 30 while leaving Zoro out of it. Two weeks of undermining everything about current Zoro while hyping current Sanji, and now all of a sudden:


I swear I'm not trying to be snark but this has got to be trolling. I just can't not point this out. I cannot.

Your doing it again with snarks with that post.

Talking about EOS, not right now currently. I see Oda always making them equal despite what others think from both sides. It how he sees their relationship and it will stick even to EOS as he will won't give out who is stronger one in how he likes their relationship.

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You don't need to make changes to your list if we've agreed that Smoker isn't in the top 30 strongest characters. Once he's reintroduced and the manga showcases his strength at that time, we can revisit this topic. For now we can move on to other discussions.



First of all, Luffy is compared to Roger by people who personally know Roger (Shanks, Rayleigh), we've not seen anyone compare Smoker to Garp. We've not seen anyone being compared to Garp. I'll give you that one of the traits they share seems to be lack of respect for authority (or at least just the WG/Celestial Dragons), other than that they're nothing alike; not in terms of strength, reputation or personality ( Garp is carefree by nature, Smoker is more of hardass). Feel free to prove me wrong.
All Marines chase pirates, Tsuru was doing the same thing to Doflamingo, so Smoker doing that to the SH isn't a point for comparison with Garp. If there's anyone to compare to Garp it would be Coby; seeing as he's the one who was trained by him and therefore inherited his Marine "Justice" you could say. But even then, it's a loose case to make.

BOLDEN PART: Why doesn't it make sense for Smoker to remain a VA at the end of the series? Especially if you're comparing him to Garp who stayed at that rank his entire career and built a legendary status for himself.
I don't disagree that he could become Fleet Admiral come the end of the series but it won't be "because it doesn't make sense for him to stay as a Vice Admiral" because that's not a logical reason.

But the underlying thing is, as @Moegara pointed out, this new generation of characters don't have to match up with the previous one. So just because Luffy reminds certain characters of Roger, doesn't then mean there needs to be another Garp, another Rayleigh, another Whitebeard, so on and so forth.

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Yeah I'm gonna add it to the list, until the manga can provide any material to show his current strength and prove us otherwise.

Sure thing, we can move on.

Actually more than just lack of respect as they also have reputation in the Marines while power right now, I can't say since we have to see how Smoker been since then and we don't know how Garp was when he was much younger to that age to say on that. Personality for sure, but Garp looks more serious in his youth even to his attitude to Roger even behind bars as right now he is more carefree, but back then he looks to be more duty type of guy like Smoker was. Didn't see much carefree with him back then compare to his age right now.

Not really same thing as Smoker wants to hunt down Strawhats even leaving his original base before to show how serious he is while Tsuru was just small occurrence while we don't exactly know how long she been chasing him truly. Lol on Coby as he has shown nothing in same serious to chase Luffy or others or even want to as he rather fanboy to do other things than chasing after them. Smoker on other hand makes it his major goal to chase them around all over ever since East Blue in Roguetown. Coby we know his stance and relationship to them, not in same spirit on how Garp to Roger was while Smoker and Luffy have that more vibe to it.

I mean he could, but don't see why he doesn't want promotion as if he was fine with ranking, he would stay Captain till now if promotions he wasn't after. Doesn't seem to have same stance on promotions like Garp does, so doubt it go like that until evidence say something on his stance about it. He looks more like wanting to rank up to gain more authority and d what he wants than just relax in position he is in.

True that just because Luffy and Roger parallel doesn't mean same on others too, but given what Oda is doing and getting vibes of what Luffy becoming, it make sense some spots will be there as do you think Luffy won't have his challenges or people to fight even at EOS? Still think there be those who be his Whitebeard, Garp, Shiki, Sengoku, Xebec, etc., but of course not bound by have to be there, but more because of how Oda will push a name for themselves than following someone footsteps. Already he planting the seeds of major rivals to Luffy and his crew which looking to be Kidd, Law, Smoker, Blackbeard, etc..

We shouldn't zero-out the possibility that Luffy won't have his challenges even in EOS along him and his crew be only famous people to make a name for themselves same way past legends did. Wouldn't put past Oda to do that as he want to build New Generation to have big reputation probably even bigger than last one.

 

[M3J]

I'm just guessing how strong Dragon is, based on portrayal. Agreed that he poses the greatest threat to the WG which is more than just strength - but it's impossible to separate the two imo..

Dragon is being saved for later too, which is a factor for me. Ivankov noted how strong Dragon's will is, so he's going to be a top tier haki user.



I ranked them, otherwise I'd be 'on the fence' for about 20 choices.



I wanted to wedge in some of the marines, before getting to Shanks. There might be a small gap between Mama and Shanks(?).



There's probably no commander stronger than Luffy atm, he's about the crack into the top tier.

It is possible though, given that Dragon's notoriety isn't because of his strength, but because of the fact that he's the leader of the only group that's actively against the Government. Though I will concede that logic would state that Dragon is strong enough to challenge the World Government.

But wouldn't it be more of a fact that the two Emperors are on an even plane, possibly inferior only to Shanks?

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Couldn't find the "Who will fight who" thread that used to be there not so long ago, if memory serves me right.

But I thought that I would share my thoughts on why Sanji vs King makes sense. Some of the points are already well known by the readership, but anyways...

1. Both are aerial fighters.
2. Both share a similar fighting style where they use kicks.
3. Both can implement fire into their attacks.
4. King is... King... Sanji is a prince.
5. Both wear black suits. Both are wearing a mask (corona conscious folks).

As to the argument that Sanji can't be that strong, I think he totally can.

This whole situation is akin to Ennies Lobby, where each Strawhat was given a power up. First none of them was a good match for CP9, but later down the line they get to their level.

If this is not the proper time for the SHs to finally get to that Yonko crew level then I don't know when they will.

On top of that Sanji has a suit. The potential is there. We just need to wait.

To me it all adds up. Sanji vs King —> commander level.

Luffy vs BM/Kaido —> Yonko level.

BM might face a bunch of SHs and IMO together (Brook vs homies, Franky vs BM herself, Nami versus some of BMs attacks) they can fend her off for a while, before someone stronger (Jinbei, Marco, both?) comes to support them and grant them a victory.

 

[HereNThere]

Is Garp the strongest H2H character in One Piece?

Undoubtedly. So far, I only see Luffy, Sabo, Jinbe and, maybe, Blackbeard as the runner ups in terms of pure H2H.

The OG Admirals and Kaido might be closer to him, but I need to see more from their basic combat abilities. In Kaido's case, I need to see how he does without his club. They definitely have the physical ability, but actual fisticuffs have yet to be seen.

When Boa, Jozu, and Sanji get some feats, they might be notable as well.

 

[thedude]

Undoubtedly. So far, I only see Luffy, Sabo, Jinbe and, maybe, Blackbeard as the runner ups in terms of pure H2H.

The OG Admirals and Kaido might be closer to him, but I need to see more from their basic combat abilities. In Kaido's case, I need to see how he does without his club. They definitely have the physical ability, but actual fisticuffs have yet to be seen.

When Boa, Jozu, and Sanji get some feats, they might be notable as well.

I'd wager Dragon is stronger hand to hand. He doesn't seem to have a weapon, and he clearly taught Sabo his skills (hence the dragon claw move Sabo did).

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I think the top 10 EOS characters will be:

1. Luffy
2. Kidd
3. Law
4. Smoker
5. Blackbeard
6. Sanji and Zoro
7. Sabo
8. Hina
9. Coby
10. Yamato

I am debating on putting Hina and Coby as Idk how strong he be even be Admiral as EOS TOP 10 is stretch to say for him and for Hina, could see her being next Sengoku or Tsuru given they have same vibe relationship with Smoker like Garp will be to Sengoku and Tsuru and they are powerful beings respectfully.

Plus there got be few strong EOS Females who can reach top 10 and could be Hina and Yamato, but again could edit this later when to give it more thought.

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Lol, give me where Garp was fanboy to Roger as his attitude was not like that and more of Smoker. Coby is giving me like Aokiji who also is fanboy given how we saw flashback of him admiring Garp like fanboy would, so it shows more. Smoker is his major Marine Rival, it's not Coby at all no matter how you want push as can't see guy who too fanboy to be enough to challenge Luffy lol.

I don't have issues with this, but I think Shanks will be above Sanji and Zoro. I guess he may die...but I see him up there. I don't see Smoker anywhere close though. Coby and Smoker can swap here, Hina is irrelevant. I'm assuming you have people dead here so you didn't list them.

 

[HereNThere]

I'd wager Dragon is stronger hand to hand. He doesn't seem to have a weapon, and he clearly taught Sabo his skills (hence the dragon claw move Sabo did).

I'm just waiting to see him actually do something before placing him on any of my lists. Or at least someone hyping him up in story.

 

[albertwv]

Please can we stop with the EOS Rankings. We'll get there when we get there and it's no fun predicting it. For all we know, it can be way different. Stop ranking Dragon or Im and even Kong when we have no idea where their strength lies. Dragon hasnt shown any feat whatsoever, maybe the WG fears him because of the Revs but not like they fear the Yonko. Also, the Revs vs the BB pirates was disappointing on how they had to retreat. IF Dragon was really powerful, like how you all list him at the top, then he wouldnt have ran away from BB, and honesty I dont think BB is that strong compared to the rest of the Yonkos. I think BB is the weakest Yonko, he hasnt been shown to have a strong defense like Kaido and BM. neither has Shanks but we know Shanks is def powerful.

Lets rank the YC's and executives and Warlords.
For some reason, (due to the bounties) I think Dogtooth is the weakest of the YC1s. I know bounties do NOT represent strength but I use it as a tool to compare it. So I see Dogtooth being as strong as Jack YC3. I can be wrong and will proudly admit it. Anyways the general consensus on this DISCUSSION THREAD, i dont care about any other website's discussion thread but this one, is that: (I will rank them how I think and you can give your input, btw I am not including BB Pirates)
YC1: Marco>Beckman>King>Dogtooth
YC2: Jozu>Yasopp>Queen>Smoothie
YC3: Vista>Lucky>Jack>Cracker

And honestly, until Luffy has shown us how strong he currently is, I dont think he is stronger than Marco yet, but hey I can be wrong later on in this arc. I still dont think Luffy will solo Kaido.

OFF TOPIC: I dont agree with how Oda is progressing the story after Dressrosa with the power levels. Oda shouldve kept it going with the SHs having a 1v1. Luffy shouldve fought more YCs, especially Jack either at Zou or in Wano or even Queen in Udon, i was hoping for that.

 

[goldb]

Actually more than just lack of respect as they also have reputation in the Marines while power right now, I can't say since we have to see how Smoker been since then and we don't know how Garp was when he was much younger to that age to say on that. Personality for sure, but Garp looks more serious in his youth even to his attitude to Roger even behind bars as right now he is more carefree, but back then he looks to be more duty type of guy like Smoker was. Didn't see much carefree with him back then compare to his age right now.

What's Smoker reputation in the Marines? I wouldn't really use the Roger scene as an example because I don't think you could expect any Marine to be carefree in that situation talking to the World's most dangerous pirate at the time and them asking for ridiculous favours. Other than that, he has shown other moments of him being dutiful (for example when facing Don Chinjao, God Valley Incident) but more often than not, he'll just do what he wants unless he's given a direct command to do otherwise ( for example walking away from Kong or Sengoku ordering him to capture Luffy after he initially agreed to let him leave Water 7). I don't think that there has to be a choice between being carefree or dutiful; heck in that respect Aokiji was also similar in just doing what he wanted but also still doing his duty when he needed to.

Not really same thing as Smoker wants to hunt down Strawhats even leaving his original base before to show how serious he is while Tsuru was just small occurrence while we don't exactly know how long she been chasing him truly. Lol on Coby as he has shown nothing in same serious to chase Luffy or others or even want to as he rather fanboy to do other things than chasing after them. Smoker on other hand makes it his major goal to chase them around all over ever since East Blue in Roguetown. Coby we know his stance and relationship to them, not in same spirit on how Garp to Roger was while Smoker and Luffy have that more vibe to it.

Tsuru wasn't just a small occurence. While Doflamingo and his crew were stationed in North Blue ( or even since Corazon joined the family), she chased them constantly; being tipped off about his location by Sengoku through Corazon (ch764-765). The only time it's mentioned that she didn't chase him while he was still in North Blue was when Corazon took Law to find treatment. Sure, so far Coby hasn't chased the SH's yet but his rank previous to the timeskip hadn't permitted him to do so. Also him being a fan of Luffy doesn't stop him from wanting to challenge him (we saw that when they met at Water 7 and he promised he'd get strong enough to challenge him in the NW) or make him any less serious; we've seen that with his current rank he's trust to lead serious missions and royal escorts that are trusted to HQ officers. But then again I did just say this was a loose comparison to prove a point about the Smoker/Garp parallels you are drawing.

I mean he could, but don't see why he doesn't want promotion as if he was fine with ranking, he would stay Captain till now if promotions he wasn't after. Doesn't seem to have same stance on promotions like Garp does, so doubt it go like that until evidence say something on his stance about it. He looks more like wanting to rank up to gain more authority and d what he wants than just relax in position he is in.

LOL you just said you don't know what Smoker's stance on promotion is then the next line is you saying what you think Smoker's thoughts on promotion is. So which one is it? Truth as I've said previously, being a Vice Admiral is currently more than what Smoker needs to allow him to chase the SH. By the end of the series, if he becomes a Fleet Admiral, that'll mean he'll be stuck behind a desk giving orders as we've previously seen all other Fleet Admirals do (Kong, Sengoku, Sakazuki). If anything he becomes an admiral by the end of the series and with the WG/Celestial Dragons out of the way, he wont have to worry about being subservient to them. WIth that higher rank, the only difference I'd see is him being able to order other Vice Admirals for a Buster Call on any location of his choosing but do you see Smoker doing such a thing or preferring to go after the SH himself?

True that just because Luffy and Roger parallel doesn't mean same on others too, but given what Oda is doing and getting vibes of what Luffy becoming, it make sense some spots will be there as do you think Luffy won't have his challenges or people to fight even at EOS? Still think there be those who be his Whitebeard, Garp, Shiki, Sengoku, Xebec, etc., but of course not bound by have to be there, but more because of how Oda will push a name for themselves than following someone footsteps. Already he planting the seeds of major rivals to Luffy and his crew which looking to be Kidd, Law, Smoker, Blackbeard, etc..

Luffy already has challengers; Kid, Law and Blackbeard. Besides the theorised comparisons between Xebec and Blackbeard, the other 2 pirates we've not been told or given hints of any comparisons between the previous and current generation. They're following their own journeys and agendas; nothing to do with the previous age of pirates.

We shouldn't zero-out the possibility that Luffy won't have his challenges even in EOS along him and his crew be only famous people to make a name for themselves same way past legends did. Wouldn't put past Oda to do that as he want to build New Generation to have big reputation probably even bigger than last one.

He will be pirate king and as long as he's at sea, he'll have other crews after his throne. There's no two ways about it.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Couldn't find the "Who will fight who" thread that used to be there not so long ago, if memory serves me right.

But I thought that I would share my thoughts on why Sanji vs King makes sense. Some of the points are already well known by the readership, but anyways...

1. Both are aerial fighters.
2. Both share a similar fighting style where they use kicks.
3. Both can implement fire into their attacks.
4. King is... King... Sanji is a prince.
5. Both wear black suits. Both are wearing a mask (corona conscious folks).

As to the argument that Sanji can't be that strong, I think he totally can.

This whole situation is akin to Ennies Lobby, where each Strawhat was given a power up. First none of them was a good match for CP9, but later down the line they get to their level.

If this is not the proper time for the SHs to finally get to that Yonko crew level then I don't know when they will.

On top of that Sanji has a suit. The potential is there. We just need to wait.

To me it all adds up. Sanji vs King —> commander level.

Luffy vs BM/Kaido —> Yonko level.

BM might face a bunch of SHs and IMO together (Brook vs homies, Franky vs BM herself, Nami versus some of BMs attacks) they can fend her off for a while, before someone stronger (Jinbei, Marco, both?) comes to support them and grant them a victory.

Oda has shown time and time again he has no problem inflating the Straw Hat's strength, especially the monster trio. Sanji will be able to put up a decent fight against King, he won't win tho.