One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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It's important that discussions from a current chapter are spoiler tagged until 24h have passed from an english release.

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• We will strive to avoid repetitive discussions and any extensive battle topics will be guided to the Davy Back fight to existing threads or new ones can be made there.

As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

If you wish to continue any of these discussion and remove it from the list, you will need to provide manga material as proof. If there's also anything you think we've covered numerous times, let me know and I'll update the list.

This is the only warning there'll be regarding these ground rules, anything no adhering will be removed. So please just check your posts before posting them.

 

[Fox666]

1. styles make fight, law's fruit is very broken when he's above you , we. saw smoker tango with law pretty well, yet vergo overwhelmed him hand to hand, styles make fights
2. law was also beat by doffy ( he's around yc3 or 4 imo )
3. sanji got beat cause of external factors
4. his brothers used external to get him not to retaliate
5. fairs, but wasn't he carrying luffy , heck he dealt with a bigger daifuku later on
6. not really a point , not everything in one piece is a lol stomp exchange , he has a tricky ability
7. sanji wasn't really trying to, he was just trying to test out his suit, heck luffy didn't either in a similar more recent skirmish and he's about to fight kaido
8. kyoshiro is very very strong
9. xx drake couldn't do much to sanji either
10. apoo is very strong, he's not a scrub lmao
11. the raid suit is part of his arsenal


luffy lost to ceasar and monet and he was at the time much much stronger than either

Is it not strange that you have to explain so many cases?

Actual Yonko commander level don't have a record like this. This includes Luffy using Gear 4, or Law, or Jinbe, Sabo, etc.

heck the cp9 arc is telling, the monster trio went from struggling badly against blueno , to overwhelming and defeating lucci , kaku and jyabura who were 2x -4x as strong as blueno , sanji and zero are gonna have to be around yc4- yc1 at the end of the arc

During the CP9 arc, abilities like Tekkai or Geppo were troublesome.

However, even during their initial encounter, Sanji proved he could easily break through Blueno's Tekkai, and was only defeated because of Blueno's ability. Luffy outmatched Blueno in both strength and speed before using Gear 2.

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Only Luffy can be determined to be YC level by that scale. Not even Jinbei

I think there's enough in the manga to prove that Jinbe is probably Yonko commander level:

Spoiler

 

[LadyVados]

Was anyone surprised by hearing that Kaido is the strongest man alive?

He's the strongest pirate, Mihawk, Dragon and Akainu can still be stronger, I still consider Mihawk no. 1.

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• Zoro got injured by Hawkins' Strawman;
• Zoro couldn't get past Kyoshiro, who effortlessly blocked his passage;
• Zoro got injured by Apoo's attack;
• Zoro and X Drake attacked Apoo together, but the later managed to defend himself;

Only because he was defending Luffy and Hawkins fanboys (yes they exist) consider Hawkins YC1 level. Nonetheless, Hawkins also performed very well against Law and lots of people consider Law YC level at least.

Zoro was injured and nerfed and I consider Denjiro YC level anyway.

As did Luffy.

Gag scene.

Via powerscaling Zoro is certaintly YC level. Vergo defeated Sanji who could hold his own against Judge who could match Snack. Zoro curbstomped Pica who is stronger than Vergo

Enma Zoro >> Pre-enma Zoro >>>>>> Pica > Vergo ~ Judge ~ Snack.

IMO Pre-enma Zoro was YC level and current Zoro is above YC level.

 

[Fox666]

He's the strongest pirate, Mihawk, Dragon and Akainu can still be stronger, I still consider Mihawk no. 1.

Mihawk is a pirate.

 

[LadyVados]

Mihawk is a pirate.

Killer doesn't know the Shichibukai system broke apart.

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Smoker once said about Shichibukai that Pirates are still pirates. That clearly means that in the general opinion Shichibukai are not considered pirates. What he was saying was that even though shichibukai are no longer pirates they are still pirates in their heart.

Shichibukai are privateers, WG employees.

 

[Fox666]

Killer doesn't know the Shichibukai system broke apart.

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Smoker once said about Shichibukai that Pirates are still pirates. That clearly means that in the general opinion Shichibukai are not considered pirates. What he was saying was that even though shichibukai are no longer pirates they are still pirates in their heart.

Shichibukai are privateers, WG employees.

Privateers are, by definition, pirates. There's no reason to assume the author would write it as something else.

 

[LadyVados]

Privateers are, by definition, pirates. There's no reason to assume the author would write it as something else.

They're a different category

 

[Fox666]

They're a different category

Even the manga itself constantly refers to the Shichibukai as "pirates".

 

[LadyVados]

Even the manga itself constantly refers to the Shichibukai as "pirates".

Pirates, marines and warlords are 3 categories.

Refer to my smoker statement earlier.

 

[Pirate Queen]

The lengths swordbois go to deny facts lol

Mihawk is now... not a pirate.


Bruh, this is hilarious

 

[LadyVados]

The lengths swordbois go to deny facts lol

Mihawk is now... not a pirate.


Bruh, this is hilarious

He doesn't have a jolly roger or a crew. He doesn't even really have a ship.

 

[Fox666]

Pirates, marines and warlords are 3 categories.

Refer to my smoker statement earlier.

[Citation needed]

 

[Pirate Queen]

He doesn't have a jolly roger or a crew. He doesn't even really have a ship.

Broooooooo you are serious!

Fuckn A hahahahaha holy shit. Mihawk isn't a pirate. 900+ chapters, we've been wrong this WHOLE TIME

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[Citation needed]

This is making me laugh so hard

 

[LadyVados]

[Citation needed]

They're ex-pirates at best.

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Besides I still think Kaido will pick up the giant sword in his hybrid form so this discussion is redundant.

As it is...

 

[Fox666]

He doesn't have a jolly roger or a crew. He doesn't even really have a ship.

Most of the Shichibukai had Jolly Rogers and crews.

As far we know, Weevil never had a crew.

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They're ex-pirates at best.

Moriah, Weevil and Buggy were clearly still committing acts of piracy, attacking other pirates ships and stealing treasure.

 

[Demonspeed]

??? Did people expect Mihawk to be stronger than Kaidou? Why?

 

[Pirate Queen]

People forget that Shichibukai are famously considered "Dogs of the World Government."

So either Mihawk is a dog or not the strongest pirate in One Piece.

Oooof tough choice

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??? Did people expect Mihawk to be stronger than Kaidou? Why?

Because they can't stand Mihawk being weaker than anyone.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Is it not strange that you have to explain so many cases?

Actual Yonko commander level don't have a record like this. This includes Luffy using Gear 4, or Law, or Jinbe, Sabo, etc.


During the CP9 arc, abilities like Tekkai or Geppo were troublesome.

However, even during their initial encounter, Sanji proved he could easily break through Blueno's Tekkai, and was only defeated because of Blueno's ability. Luffy outmatched Blueno in both strength and speed before using Gear 2.

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I think there's enough in the manga to prove that Jinbe is probably Yonko commander level:

Spoiler

sanji never easily broke through bleuno's tekkai

he was struggling with and had to get in multiple hits to possible get through it , blueno did get worried
but he went from that to matching jyabura who was 2.5 stronger in base , without adding his zoan enhancement in just an arc

 

[albertwv]

Mihawk is a pirate. Kaido > Mihawk.

Ignore Whis he is Nik hiding in a new account. Who else cares so much about swordsmen than Nik? Whis = Nik.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

He's the strongest pirate, Mihawk, Dragon and Akainu can still be stronger, I still consider Mihawk no. 1.

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Only because he was defending Luffy and Hawkins fanboys (yes they exist) consider Hawkins YC1 level. Nonetheless, Hawkins also performed very well against Law and lots of people consider Law YC level at least.

Zoro was injured and nerfed and I consider Denjiro YC level anyway.

As did Luffy.

Gag scene.

Via powerscaling Zoro is certaintly YC level. Vergo defeated Sanji who could hold his own against Judge who could match Snack. Zoro curbstomped Pica who is stronger than Vergo

Enma Zoro >> Pre-enma Zoro >>>>>> Pica > Vergo ~ Judge ~ Snack.

IMO Pre-enma Zoro was YC level and current Zoro is above YC level.

LMAO , there is no fucking way zoro is magically just stronger than king ,beckman, katakuri and marco

he's never been forced to grow at all most of the timeskip , him waking up stronger than those guys even with enma is hilarious , Zoro might have enma but he's not oden level strong
also law would have trashed pica just as easy , doesn't mean he's yc1 level , pica is an executive of a dude who was yc2/3 level , pica is wayyyyyy below yc3 level , laughably below

 

[M3J]

??? Did people expect Mihawk to be stronger than Kaidou? Why?

probably because if Mihawk is > Kaidou, then Zoro > everyone if he beats Mihawk.

But jeez I wish you guys ignored bad posts instead of continuously entertaining it. Post after post of stupidity is annoying. There's really no need to continue debating whether or not shichibukai are pirates given that manga say they still are. Post proof and end it there.

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sanji never easily broke through bleuno's tekkai

he was struggling with and had to get in multiple hits to possible get through it , blueno did get worried
but he went from that to matching jyabura who was 2.5 stronger in base , without adding his zoan enhancement in just an arc

To be fair, Oda did tell us that the Straw Hats weren't as strong when they were in doubt.