One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

Kaido is the strongest pirate lol but he tied with Big Mom when they fought for days. Meanwhile Whitebeard was the strongest man when he was drawing with Roger. I am so confused about when titles count and don't count in the Western fandom. I'll just sit back and wait until Big Mom, Shanks and/or Mihawk throw a wrench in this as is always the case when these titles are clung on to.

To be fair, Zoro said "is known" rather than "is." It's not really an official title, and I"m sure if he planned on fighting Big Mom, he'd say the same about her, or about any Emperor.

And Whitebeard called the strongest man after Roger died, if I recall correctly. Titles however should be seen as a hype tool, not always a literal title. Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, but how do we know he took on every swordsman and beat them? What if he didn't fight someone superior because that swordsman didn't care to fight anyone unless needed? Or because he was on Wano and isolated?

I mean, Kaidou has been hyped, but he hasn't beaten Big Mom or any other Emperor, it's still a stalemate. Whitebeard has an excuse, his goal isn't to become the Pirate King or dominate anything. Big Mom hasn't had that hype either, and we know Shanks is a pacifist. Plus, given the hype that Luffy's gotten as Fifth Emperor, it seems titles are quite meaningless.

 

[LadyVados]

To be fair, Zoro said "is known" rather than "is." It's not really an official title, and I"m sure if he planned on fighting Big Mom, he'd say the same about her, or about any Emperor.

And Whitebeard called the strongest man after Roger died, if I recall correctly. Titles however should be seen as a hype tool, not always a literal title. Mihawk is the world's strongest swordsman, but how do we know he took on every swordsman and beat them? What if he didn't fight someone superior because that swordsman didn't care to fight anyone unless needed? Or because he was on Wano and isolated?

I mean, Kaidou has been hyped, but he hasn't beaten Big Mom or any other Emperor, it's still a stalemate. Whitebeard has an excuse, his goal isn't to become the Pirate King or dominate anything. Big Mom hasn't had that hype either, and we know Shanks is a pacifist. Plus, given the hype that Luffy's gotten as Fifth Emperor, it seems titles are quite meaningless.

I've heard that Oda said in an interview that Mihawk was the real WSS and that there is no secret swordsman anywhere who's actually stronger than Mihawk.

Also i have always considered Garp WB's equal.

 

[M3J]

That's good but Oda can easily contradict his statement simply by writing in that there's a better swordsman on Wano.

Dunno because Garp went after Roger all the time, but there's been no mention of him going after Whitebeard, even though he and ROger fought Whitebeard and others when they were part of Rox or Lox or w/e.

 

[LadyVados]

That's good but Oda can easily contradict his statement simply by writing in that there's a better swordsman on Wano.

That directly contradicts that tho.

Besides we haven't seen anyone in Wano better than YC level at best.

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 27, 2020, Original Post Date: Nov 27, 2020 ---

If Robin beats Maria how strong will she be ? YC level ?

 

[XXGenesis]

So Killer & Kidd refer to Kiado as the strongest Pirate; & Zoro views Kaido as the strongest in the world......Hmmm. So many view Shanks & BM to be weaker, yet Kiado hasn’t been able to defeat them, or destroy their crews.

The Yonkou stalemate each other, as they are a power balance of the world. But yes I’m sure if a war starts and they had to duke it out, somebody is going to fall. I think Old Man WB, with support from his crew Was the Strongest Man, just sick and their’s a lot of Context to Paramount War where he died.

Rocks Crew were the worst in history to be taken down by Roger & Garp. Who’s crew became the strongest in the world. WB a Man who rivaled the strongest Roger. A Dragon Became the strongest creature. & BM had the potential of a Admiral from a Kid with inhuman strength & durability. Big Kudo’s to Shanks to reaching this level and honestly Mihawk doesn’t have the other tangibles & intangibles as the Yonkou but he use to be a rival to one and reputation is very respected he has to be close.

Garp is stronger than Sengoku. Imo probably stalemates with Prime WB. While Sengoku wasn’t far behind like Shiki. Amongst the top legends.

Garp, Sengoku & WB are OLD. They all Weakened over time, still yet remained amongst the Strongest. While Kaido, BM & the Admirals all caught up to that threshold of power. & the world is vast and time has passed. Oden with out his premature death has all the hype & potential to have been Prime WB/Roger lv; Then theirs Greenbull & Fujitora whom lived somewhere out in the One piece universe. & BB secretly hide his powers and ambition for years.

So yea I’m not buying into Strongest Titles any more. They are mostly hype.

 

[Fox666]

So Killer & Kidd refer to Kiado as the strongest Pirate; & Zoro views Kaido as the strongest in the world......Hmmm. So many view Shanks & BM to be weaker, yet Kiado hasn’t been able to defeat them, or destroy their crews.

Even if he's the strongest, the difference is minimal.

If Kaido goes on a war against another Yonko, he and his crew will be weakened to the point another that Yonko can easily finish them off.

 

[LadyVados]

So yea I’m not buying into Strongest Titles any more. They are mostly hype.

The one exception though is probably Mihawk’s since Oda confirmed it and for story reasons.

 

[Pirate Queen]

The one exception though is probably Mihawk’s since Oda confirmed it and for story reasons.

Oh look, more hypocrisy

Oh don’t get me wrong I have no problem with people who ignore epithets entirely. I just have a problem with people who use them selectively.

 

[LadyVados]

Oh look, more hypocrisy

Again, Mihawk's is a special case because of the interview.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Again, Mihawk's is a special case because of the interview.

 

[LadyVados]

You know what, that's fair. Let's take epithets out of the equation entirely. It would make no sense for there to be a swordfighter stronger than Mihawk for story reasons, epithet or no epithet.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You know what, that's fair. Let's take epithets out of the equation entirely. It would make no sense for there to be a swordfighter stronger than Mihawk for story reasons, epithet or no epithet.

Yes there is. Zoro is a SH. Its only reason why Mihawk needs to be as strong as he is. Without Zoro, Mihawk fades into obscurity (And he actually already is). He adds no value to One Piece other than being a goal post.

Mihawk = All Blue = Being a Brave Warrior of the Sea = Making a map of the world = Returning to Laboon= Discovering the True history of the world.

He's just a goal post. The only thing that truly matter in OP is Pirate King, with Mihawk himself acknowledging it being a greater goal than even being WSS.

Whitebeard(WSM) was important because he blocked the way for others to be PK until Ace was ready.

Kaido(WSC) was important because he is on the verge of conquering the World and claiming OP for himself. Currently the biggest threat to Luffy.

Mihawk is... fighting off a Buster Call? There is no comparison.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Random but is doflamingo the most powerful non yonkou pirate prior to his defeat , I'm talking about actual influence not just strength
Yonkou commander level strength
A pretty strong crew overall
Celestial dragon privileges
Deep deep knowledge of the world,
Super wealthy
Most notorious under world broker and arms dealer also known as joker
Shichibukai
Secretly backed and protected kaido
All 3 haki , pretty hax DF that he awakened

Honestly it's weird to me that he never used the bird cage strings in combat , strings as powerful as those should have been retrained for combat use , they're nigh unbreakable and world have made great great weapons

 

[LaGOAT]

I believe DD is yonko commander level in fact I think he on cracker level

 

[HereNThere]

I'd say Boa probably will give him a run for his money she gets some action. Crocodile might have also got his act together as well.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The reason that other yonkou don't fight each other is some
Phyrric victories , people on the same level take days to defeat on end
And again kaido really wasn't trying to kill big mum imo , his fight was similar to when Rodger and Whitebeard fought and they partied for days
He was also looking to ally with her
Also more importantly the yonkou taking out each other isn't worth the hassle , they'd devastate each other in combat and might leave themselves vulnerable to attack from other pirates or the marines even

 

[XXGenesis]

The one exception though is probably Mihawk’s since Oda confirmed it and for story reasons.

Not when Other top tiers are also swordsman. So it’s a title of skill not power.

There’s too much semantics around the definition of a Swordsman. Between Swordsman who use swords & brawl (Roger, WB, Admirals). Swordsman with martial arts to compliment their Swordmanship (Kaku, any swordsmen who alternates H2H martial to compliment their sword style/also semantical to above definition) Then their are the tried and true Swordman....Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Brook, Etc etc.

If you look on the Wiki for Swordsman on One Piece. It’s define as those trained in the art of the sword. & doesn’t list everybody that uses a sword. Until Oda or someone else articulates the mynute difference of a Swordsman and someone who just happens to use a sword I’ll refrain any further from debating this.

Random but is doflamingo the most powerful non yonkou pirate prior to his defeat , I'm talking about actual influence not just strength
Yonkou commander level strength
A pretty strong crew overall
Celestial dragon privileges
Deep deep knowledge of the world,
Super wealthy
Most notorious under world broker and arms dealer also known as joker
Shichibukai
Secretly backed and protected kaido
All 3 haki , pretty hax DF that he awakened

Honestly it's weird to me that he never used the bird cage strings in combat , strings as powerful as those should have been retrained for combat use , they're nigh unbreakable and world have made great great weapons

I love Doffy as a character. His Bird Cage however is a Plot Device ability. Big enough to cover a island, blocks responder snails, invulnerable, takes a Hr to close, only way to stop it is to K.O the user.......very plot deviceish

That aside Doffy was a Light Heavy Weight. As for the many reason listed above. I believe Weevil is possibly stronger than He was. & Boa herself has a haxx DF ability.

But in terms of influence, underground and political power. Doffy was pretty strong.

 

[albertwv]

I think people overestimate Boa, I think she is below Doffy. She doesnt seem to show control of her CoC while Doffy does.
Kaido is the strongest currently in OP, there has been substantial amount of evidence that shows that in the manga. No debating that.
Doffy = Cracker, I have a hard time figuring out who is stronger, so I say 50/50. Doffy is YC3 level.
People claim Snack = Judge because there was 1 only 1 panel of them literally just facing each other, no combat though. I wouldnt say they are equal just based on that.

Where do we rank the BM Pirates internally?
Katakuri, Smoothie, Cracker, Snack, Perospero, Daifuki, Oven, Tamago
Is that fine or what ?

 

[Nie Li]

Not when Other top tiers are also swordsman. So it’s a title of skill not power.

There’s too much semantics around the definition of a Swordsman. Between Swordsman who use swords & brawl (Roger, WB, Admirals). Swordsman with martial arts to compliment their Swordmanship (Kaku, any swordsmen who alternates H2H martial to compliment their sword style/also semantical to above definition) Then their are the tried and true Swordman....Zoro, Mihawk, Vista, Brook, Etc etc.

If you look on the Wiki for Swordsman on One Piece. It’s define as those trained in the art of the sword. & doesn’t list everybody that uses a sword. Until Oda or someone else articulates the mynute difference of a Swordsman and someone who just happens to use a sword I’ll refrain any further from debating this.

Cabaji is officially considered Buggy's crew's main swordsman (both in the story and in official databooks), and Zoro even had some lines when fighting against him about "not making any excuses", so I'm pretty sure what the manga refers to as swordsmen is rather broad as long as their main weapons are swords.

Just pointing that out to add to the topic.

 

[HereNThere]

I think people overestimate Boa, I think she is below Doffy. She doesnt seem to show control of her CoC while Doffy does.

She hasn't shown much of anything though, to the point where she's not even had a chance to use CoC. We'll probably see what she can do if we get an update on the outside world.