One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

lol my comments get rmoved all the time. Why should I devote time to this forum?


What is the problem you suffering from? It's not a matter of opinion, it's a canon fact of manga that Law took a direct hit and CoC slash (Zoro only took the slash). You just undersold Law's durability. Doffy's bullet strings > Kaido´s club at this rate, you undersold Doffy and Vergo

Would you say Vergo can do more damage compare to Kaido onto Zoro? Curious on how you think on this.

 

[Critical mindset]

Would you say Vergo can do more damage compare to Kaido onto Zoro? Curious on how you think on this.

Yes, Vergo hits a lot harder than Kaido. Kaido without using CoC in hybrid was hitting Luffy around a bunch of time but coudn't put him down.

Zoro can clash with Kaido in a broken state but would get washed by Vergo

Vergo both has better armament haki than Kaido, and he is physically stronger

Compare Kaido's grip strength to Vergo's

Vergo almost crushes Tashigi's skull

Tashigi's body is hard enough to no-sell Monet's bite, and Tashigi is strong enough btw to immobilise Monet's monster form

Tashigi dura > Neko

Vergo has both armament haki and physical strength advantage over Kaido, who has got CoC (Vergo does not have, otherwise Law wouldn't slice him which he can't do against conqueror haki users of BM and Kaido's calibre, as stated by Law when he says "their haki is too strong") and assuming not a throw-away garbage club but a real weapon, unlike Vergo who uses a plant.

So yes, Vergo damages Zoro more

 

[Aki1991]

Tashigi dura > Neko

Is this serious discussed here? Lol.

Have you not seen Kaidos attack on Luffy? And Neko is YC level btw...

 

[Critical mindset]

Is this serious discussed here? Lol.

Have you not seen Kaidos attack on Luffy? And Neko is YC level btw...

Law took more damage from Vergo's punches than Tashigi. He has deep cuts and bruises and Vergo was just brutalising Law

while he used more effort in his punch against Tashigi

Tashigi > Neo in dura

 

[I Am Atomic]

What the heck! We have King Moe for Sanji. Nik and Grandmaster Work for Zoro. Now Critical mindset for Vergo!

I blame this on Covid

 

[Pirate Queen]

This is the most wild discussion

 

[XXGenesis]

It's not a matter of opinion, it's a canon fact of manga that Law took a direct hit and CoC slash (Zoro only took the slash). You just undersold Law's durability. Doffy's bullet strings > Kaido´s club at this rate, you undersold Doffy and Vergo

I had a response copied and saved. But I’ll pas ok, if you believe that ok. By the way it’s not a fact it’s your perspective on facts...which seems skwed...

What the heck! We have King Moe for Sanji. Nik and Grandmaster Work for Zoro. Now Critical mindset for Vergo!

I blame this on Covid

This is the most wild discussion

I’m a bit surprised every week by certain claims.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I had a response copied and saved. But I’ll pas ok, if you believe that ok. By the way it’s not a fact it’s your perspective on facts...which seems skwed...









I’m a bit surprised every week by certain claims.

Pound per pound Vergo>Kaido is basically the new Judge Vinsmoke = Top 5

 

[King Moe]

What the heck! We have King Moe for Sanji. Nik and Grandmaster Work for Zoro. Now Critical mindset for Vergo!

I blame this on Covid

I never said anything about Sanji in ways of those who talk about Zoro and Vergo though. I keep him more canon on my side lol.

 

[albertwv]

And coming from guy who called Zoro as 'Zolo' as if being fair himself especially his posts. Don't go after others and get back on topic.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 23, 2021, Original Post Date: Apr 23, 2021 ---

I agree with most of what you said, but Kidd and Law are stronger than Zoro. I can only give you above Killer and Strawhats, he still in same league with Sanji while can say he is above Jimbei, but there is not much gap there.

Also certain feats aren't there as he didn't stop Hakai. That one he was saved by Law. Also 'Idk' on 'blocked' attacks on Kaido. Do you mean Full Zoan? I agree on that, but not much feat there given even Scabbards did same thing. Though not Hybrid Form or Base Form. He is YC lvl for sure though.

Dude when are you gonna stop hating on me calling Zolo, "Zolo." I grew up watching OP in English Dub so that named stuck with me. Get back on topic.

You have no proof that Kid or Law > Zolo based on rooftop feats.
Law has only been teleporting people around, probably only been hit twice by Kaido. He managed to get somewhat of a praise, I dont even think it's a praise at all from Kaido saying his DF is tricky. Is that a praise?
While on the other hand, Zolo managed to SCAR Kaido. That is a huge feat besides Luffy hurting him. Law has been more of an annoyance to Kaido while Zolo was seen as a bigger threat.
Also, Zolo managed to temporarily block the COMBO attack before Law teleported everyone, if it wasnt for Zolo, Law wouldnt have had the time.

Your hate towards Zolo is showing at least attempt to cover it up.

@Critical mindset, you're the Nik to Zolo and the Moe to Sanji for Vergo. Cannot take your seriously.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Durability: Kaido>Vergo
Speed: Kaido>Vergo
Endurance: Kaido>Vergo
Defense:Kaido>Vergo
Attack:Kaido>Vergo
Attack Speed: Kaido>Vergo
Grip strength:Kaido<Vergo

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Kaido<Vergo

 

[King Moe]

Dude when are you gonna stop hating on me calling Zolo, "Zolo." I grew up watching OP in English Dub so that named stuck with me. Get back on topic.

You have no proof that Kid or Law > Zolo based on rooftop feats.
Law has only been teleporting people around, probably only been hit twice by Kaido. He managed to get somewhat of a praise, I dont even think it's a praise at all from Kaido saying his DF is tricky. Is that a praise?
While on the other hand, Zolo managed to SCAR Kaido. That is a huge feat besides Luffy hurting him. Law has been more of an annoyance to Kaido while Zolo was seen as a bigger threat.
Also, Zolo managed to temporarily block the COMBO attack before Law teleported everyone, if it wasnt for Zolo, Law wouldnt have had the time.

Your hate towards Zolo is showing at least attempt to cover it up.

@Critical mindset, you're the Nik to Zolo and the Moe to Sanji for Vergo. Cannot take your seriously.

Yet you still call him that despite what his original name is. Please don't get insecure for being called out and stop with biased thinking Kidd and Law aren't stronger than Zoro.

There feats are shown especially them harming Yonkos and tanking their attacks while Zoro needed help to moved around by Law and who saved Zoro from attack he didn't stop. That isn't a feat on Zorp, but it is a feat on Law for how fast he saved everyone in seconds.

Giving scar on Kaido doesn't mean Zoro is stronger than everyone though. Luffy hasn't scar him, so by that logic is Luffy not stronger? You don't need to scar Kaido to know you damage him as Kidd and Law shown. Plus we know Enma had a hand on scar as it was only sword to leave a cut, but others didn't. Hinting more that Enma was more spotlight than his natural skill.

I respect and understand Zoro gotton stronger, but it's clear he isn't that above just in team fight and shouldn't ignore the rest what they been doing.

You can join Nik with how you been talking. I never go anything unrealistic about Sanji. I keep it within Canon and respectfully. Don't get this way just because someone don't agree with you especially with headcannon points you have.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

And coming from guy who called Zoro as 'Zolo' as if being fair himself especially his posts. Don't go after others and get back on topic.

so, when someone uses 'zolo', it means they are being not fair, right?

Zolo defeat YC easily especially Katakuri.

Sanji's Feats:

• Help Zolo get back to finding the ship and fighting off enemies and beating Pacifista with ease.
• Saved his friends and did work around the island after he recover as well beating enemies while time Zolo needed help on his side by Brook and Usopp before coming in after being captured by New Fishman Pirates

You just admit that you are biased against zoro. Good job there

 

[albertwv]

Yet you still call him that despite what his original name is. Please don't get insecure for being called out and stop with biased thinking Kidd and Law aren't stronger than Zoro.

There feats are shown especially them harming Yonkos and tanking their attacks while Zoro needed help to moved around by Law and who saved Zoro from attack he didn't stop. That isn't a feat on Zorp, but it is a feat on Law for how fast he saved everyone in seconds.

Giving scar on Kaido doesn't mean Zoro is stronger than everyone though. Luffy hasn't scar him, so by that logic is Luffy not stronger? You don't need to scar Kaido to know you damage him as Kidd and Law shown. Plus we know Enma had a hand on scar as it was only sword to leave a cut, but others didn't. Hinting more that Enma was more spotlight than his natural skill.

I respect and understand Zoro gotton stronger, but it's clear he isn't that above just in team fight and shouldn't ignore the rest what they been doing.

You can join Nik with how you been talking. I never go anything unrealistic about Sanji. I keep it within Canon and respectfully. Don't get this way just because someone don't agree with you especially with headcannon points you have.

Im not the one insecure about the way I call Zolo. You're the one who keeps pointing it out.

Kid hasnt done shit to Kaido. Law has no way done the ssame damage to Kaido like Zolo has. Only Luffy has been able to damage Kaido further than anyone else in the rooftop. You keep mentioning team fight like that matters when causing damage it was Zolo's own attack, Luffy's own attack that have injured Kaido. They have not done a Combo attack.
On the other hand, Law and Kid only managed to annoy both Kaido and BM but no sufficient damage.

It wasnt a feat on Law that he got them out of there, it was Zolo's feat, Kid even praises Zolo, Law is shocked Zolo is still able to move and still scarred Kaido.
Zolo helped Law teleport everyone away. Dont take away from Zolo's feat just because you hate Zolo.

Where has Sanji been at, your favorite character?

 

[King Moe]

Im not the one insecure about the way I call Zolo. You're the one who keeps pointing it out.

Kid hasnt done shit to Kaido. Law has no way done the ssame damage to Kaido like Zolo has. Only Luffy has been able to damage Kaido further than anyone else in the rooftop. You keep mentioning team fight like that matters when causing damage it was Zolo's own attack, Luffy's own attack that have injured Kaido. They have not done a Combo attack.
On the other hand, Law and Kid only managed to annoy both Kaido and BM but no sufficient damage.

It wasnt a feat on Law that he got them out of there, it was Zolo's feat, Kid even praises Zolo, Law is shocked Zolo is still able to move and still scarred Kaido.
Zolo helped Law teleport everyone away. Dont take away from Zolo's feat just because you hate Zolo.

Where has Sanji been at, your favorite character?

Stop headcannon. Kidd and Law have better feats especially they are reason Big Mom is not there and recently we see Law damaging and tanking Kaido and Kidd tanking Big Mom again after tanking a punch to the face, but could repel her gigantic size with ease into the air. Ignoring they haven't done anything at all is biased headcannon. They have shown harm the Yonkos, not just Zoro via of Enma.

Luffy is the MC and is now fighting Kaido on his own. He can didn't need team to help harm him as shown unlike Zoro who needed help at times with either Killer or Law when fighting the Yonkos. You can't ignore even Zoro asked Law to get him closer to Kaido and not doing it on his own early on and he still getting teleported after that.

Feat is more Law saving his life. He couldn't stop the attack and it is shown. Saying Zoro will survive or block it on his own doesn't make sense otherwise Law wouldn't save him. You don't get feat on that.

Don't bring up another character out of insecurity on Zoro. Your not helping your side by doing that.

 

[XXGenesis]

Yes, Vergo hits a lot harder than Kaido. Kaido without using CoC in hybrid was hitting Luffy around a bunch of time but coudn't put him down.

Zoro can clash with Kaido in a broken state but would get washed by Vergo

Vergo both has better armament haki than Kaido, and he is physically stronger

Compare Kaido's grip strength to Vergo's

Vergo almost crushes Tashigi's skull

Tashigi's body is hard enough to no-sell Monet's bite, and Tashigi is strong enough btw to immobilise Monet's monster form

Tashigi dura > Neko

Vergo has both armament haki and physical strength advantage over Kaido, who has got CoC (Vergo does not have, otherwise Law wouldn't slice him which he can't do against conqueror haki users of BM and Kaido's calibre, as stated by Law when he says "their haki is too strong") and assuming not a throw-away garbage club but a real weapon, unlike Vergo who uses a plant.

So yes, Vergo damages Zoro more

You dead ass trolling. Your avatar pics says it all.

There isn’t any normal or sound logic and reasoning for someone to think Vergo the right hand man of Donflamingo a VC3 lv Pirate captain has any skills or abilities that surpass a Yonkou.

Vergo who Sanji made bleed. Vergo who Law Countered shocked & burnt the hell out of him...While Big Mom a Yonkou was absolutely fine after the attack.

Vergo’s is not stronger than his captain donflamingo. Donflamingo was heavily damaged by Gamma knife & had to repair his organs. Kaido took a gamma knife and didn’t receive the same level of damage.

So because you like the character Vergo. You must troll and say he hits harder than someone who is even stronger than his captain.. a top 10 character...While Vergo ain’t even top 20.

Stop spamming, bro.
We need foolery section for those that wanna B.S all day. Cause this ain’t the place to Jack off your favorite characters

 

[Critical mindset]

You dead ass trolling. Your avatar pics says it all.

There isn’t any normal or sound logic and reasoning for someone to think Vergo the right hand man of Donflamingo a VC3 lv Pirate captain has any skills or abilities that surpass a Yonkou.

Vergo who Sanji made bleed. Vergo who Law Countered shocked & burnt the hell out of him...While Big Mom a Yonkou was absolutely fine after the attack.

Vergo’s is not stronger than his captain donflamingo. Donflamingo was heavily damaged by Gamma knife & had to repair his organs. Kaido took a gamma knife and didn’t receive the same level of damage.

So because you like the character Vergo. You must troll and say he hits harder than someone who is even stronger than his captain.. a top 10 character...While Vergo ain’t even top 20.

Stop spamming, bro.
We need foolery section for those that wanna B.S all day. Cause this ain’t the place to Jack off your favorite characters

(1) No plasma discharge

There is no electrical arc being generated from the attack onto BM like there clearly is against Vergo.

Which as you see there is a corona discharge enveloping around Vergo indicating that Law is generating a greater electrical potential resulting from the greater electrical energy/output.

The greater electrical current makes the air highly ionic and charged the creates the glow of plasma that we’re seeing in Vergo’s case but not in the other instances.

BM does not feature this aspect of the attack yet it prompts her to scream at the top of her lungs in agony.

The anime makes it perfectly clear also, there was a large corona discharge which means Vergo received a far more lethal and potent dose

(2) The sfx is different in BM’s case

BM is different from all these cases in that she does not feature the same sfx. All but in BMs case the sfx is the same.

In Doflamingo’s case his internal repairing ability renders the attack less effective. Law could not generate the same discharge of plasma presumably because he only had one arm at the time, and so his attack output was limited even though he had every bit of intent to maximise on the attack at that point.

(3) No exclamation marks

Even though BM was clearly in agony there were no exclamation marks I’m her panel.

Conclusion

Big Mom endured an attack that’s less lethal than all of the above, let alone the one Vergo powered through without howling in pain. Vergo was pushing Law to maximise his attack, whereas Law at this point seems to have it figured out, is not stressing it in testing out the range and efficacy of his abilities. Second time around he uses countershock it will produce a much greater effect.

There is simply a different make up of the body and mind that characterises Vergo. That much is becoming clearer for each chapter.

As for Sanji making Vergo bleed, that's Diable Jambe which he hasn't used against anyone other than Doffy (who used barrier haki to defend) and Judge who uses a raidsuit that is fireproof. Judge btw neg diffed a yc4 commaner Snack. Sanji btw used a Diable Jambe move to fully counter BMs attack, and luffy needed to harden his fist with air pressure (G3) and haki just to match Sanji's natural leg hardness.

Vergo NEG DIFFED Sanji's leg hardness that it took G3 with haki to even match. Sanji broke the collarbone of Oven who has inherited durability from BM, which no other sibling has. Oven was the most durable BM pirate outside of BM, and Sanji with not even a full-powered kick broke his collarbone lol

 

[Zehahaha]

This is some high quality trolling seriously, reminds of Hachigen's days in the bleach forum

 

[Critical mindset]

This is some high quality trolling seriously, reminds of Hachigen's days in the bleach forum

Just get with the program

Sanji will defeat King while VerGod clashed with his ankle and broke Sanji’s leg lol

That is yonko level right there. Sanji clashed with the same leg against BM but can’t clash with Vergo who used his ankle lmao. He actually didn’t just use his ankle, he switched legs also

Left leg raised

But then he trolled and used his right leg to clash. He was actually just playing games

then he switches leg again and does a leg swipe with his left leg after clashing with the right leg lmao the dude is just doing this for play, he actually just toys with Sanji, for real lmao fun stuff

that leg swipe he does when he nearly beheads Sanji, that is infused with ryou (outward haki same thing used by Hyoguro)

It’s quite possible Vergo used internal destruction, after all he clashed with Sanji’s knee cap almost while he himself used his ankle (right ankle) lmao - AND SANJI BROKE AND NOT VERGO LMAO

You people man need to stop with your bullshit. Vergo was doing insane shit throughout PH and lost to the most haxed attack in the verse, like anyone would

 

[Nie Li]

Poor Oda, drawing how he initiated the kick right after running wasn't enough for every reader to understand his drawings.

Anyway, breaking Sanji's leg with a single kick (a running kick) is indeed a very good feat for Vergo, but it doesn't scale to current events. Sanji was much weaker then than he is now. He always magically becomes stronger between arcs.

Everything else really just sounds like trolling.