One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[King Moe]

(1) No plasma discharge

There is no electrical arc being generated from the attack onto BM like there clearly is against Vergo.

Which as you see there is a corona discharge enveloping around Vergo indicating that Law is generating a greater electrical potential resulting from the greater electrical energy/output.

The greater electrical current makes the air highly ionic and charged the creates the glow of plasma that we’re seeing in Vergo’s case but not in the other instances.

BM does not feature this aspect of the attack yet it prompts her to scream at the top of her lungs in agony.

The anime makes it perfectly clear also, there was a large corona discharge which means Vergo received a far more lethal and potent dose

(2) The sfx is different in BM’s case

BM is different from all these cases in that she does not feature the same sfx. All but in BMs case the sfx is the same.

In Doflamingo’s case his internal repairing ability renders the attack less effective. Law could not generate the same discharge of plasma presumably because he only had one arm at the time, and so his attack output was limited even though he had every bit of intent to maximise on the attack at that point.

(3) No exclamation marks

Even though BM was clearly in agony there were no exclamation marks I’m her panel.

Conclusion

Big Mom endured an attack that’s less lethal than all of the above, let alone the one Vergo powered through without howling in pain. Vergo was pushing Law to maximise his attack, whereas Law at this point seems to have it figured out, is not stressing it in testing out the range and efficacy of his abilities. Second time around he uses countershock it will produce a much greater effect.

There is simply a different make up of the body and mind that characterises Vergo. That much is becoming clearer for each chapter.

As for Sanji making Vergo bleed, that's Diable Jambe which he hasn't used against anyone other than Doffy (who used barrier haki to defend) and Judge who uses a raidsuit that is fireproof. Judge btw neg diffed a yc4 commaner Snack. Sanji btw used a Diable Jambe move to fully counter BMs attack, and luffy needed to harden his fist with air pressure (G3) and haki just to match Sanji's natural leg hardness.

Vergo NEG DIFFED Sanji's leg hardness that it took G3 with haki to even match. Sanji broke the collarbone of Oven who has inherited durability from BM, which no other sibling has. Oven was the most durable BM pirate outside of BM, and Sanji with not even a full-powered kick broke his collarbone lol

Nah, Sanji did stop and prevented Vergo from his mission. Even nerfed, he takes Vergo and send him flying. Using DJ isn't using full power though as still haven't seen that. His leg is fine after the fight, that is shown as we seen him fine for the whole arc.

 

[Critical mindset]

Nah, Sanji did stop and prevented Vergo from his mission. Even nerfed, he takes Vergo and send him flying. Using DJ isn't using full power though as still haven't seen that. His leg is fine after the fight, that is shown as we seen him fine for the whole arc.

Stop this tiring nonsense. Vergo was trolling and Sanji was fresh. Or should I expect Yamato to start breaking bones soon because she has taken what, some 14 level bazooka explosions and is still fighting lmao. What about Zoro this arc the damage he has sustained up to this point lmao you make Sanji look like the biggest turd compared to these two

Vergo is yonko level. He also has internal destruction which makes him unique in the verse along with Rayleigh, Luffy, who else has got internal destruction haki, I can’t recall?

Poor Oda, drawing how he initiated the kick right after running wasn't enough for every reader to understand his drawings.

Anyway, breaking Sanji's leg with a single kick (a running kick) is indeed a very good feat for Vergo, but it doesn't scale to current events. Sanji was much weaker then than he is now. He always magically becomes stronger between arcs.

Everything else really just sounds like trolling.

no

 

[King Moe]

Stop this tiring nonsense. Vergo was trolling and Sanji was fresh. Or should I expect Yamato to start breaking bones soon because she has taken what, some 14 level bazooka explosions and is still fighting lmao. What about Zoro this arc the damage he has sustained up to this point lmao you make Sanji look like the biggest turd compared to these two

Vergo is yonko level. He also has internal destruction which makes him unique in the verse

no

Bro, please don't start something on forcing headcannon. Sanji nerfed was compete with Vergo even so he still damage him and send him flying without full power nor healthy that time. Feats more on Sanji especially he couldn't do the mission and stop G5 and Tashigi and choose to leave while Sanji stayed fight even with gas around them.

Zoro's durability still isn't high given he got saved and one-shot by Kaido for when he first focus him. Where did Yamato came from? Your still pushing he can handle any of them lol?

 

[XXGenesis]

Trollololololololol.......My new One piece Laugh lmfao!!!

Whats a good topic to Segway into????
Luffy? Let’s talk about Luffy. We don’t show our Main Character enough Love.

Red rock was a kool attack. We haven’t gotten anything new since that opening strike. I personally wanted 2-3 more kool inner CoA named attacks. I’m sure ODA has some kool sh^t with CoC attacks

 

[Nie Li]

Trollololololololol.......My new One piece Laugh lmfao!!!

Whats a good topic to Segway into????
Luffy? Let’s talk about Luffy. We don’t show our Main Character enough Love.

Red rock was a kool attack. We haven’t gotten anything new since that opening strike. I personally wanted 2-3 more kool inner CoA named attacks. I’m sure ODA has some kool sh^t with CoC attacks

Right. It would have been cool if internal CoA attacks had unique names to tell them apart, but sadly they got the same names as usual. I don't expect CoC attacks to have unique names except perhaps for some new G4 CoC finisher.

 

[King Moe]

I think we can expect a new G4 or even a G5 to come out of this fight with Kaido who hasn't use his full power and still his Awakening he has yet to use as well.

 

[XXGenesis]

Right. It would have been cool if internal CoA attacks had unique names to tell them apart, but sadly they got the same names as usual. I don't expect CoC attacks to have unique names except perhaps for some new G4 CoC finisher.

It’s wishful thinking. With armament we got Red hawk/ Elepahant Gun/ Thor’s Hammer. Etc

The Red Rock was a surprise. I want/need more pretty plz ODA lol.

 

[Nie Li]

It’s wishful thinking. With armament we got Red hawk/ Elepahant Gun/ Thor’s Hammer. Etc

The Red Rock was a surprise. I want/need more pretty plz ODA lol.

Red Roc is the G3 version of G2's Red Hawk. The Roc is some big mythological bird that kinda looks like a huge hawk (hence the name).

I don't think the technique is specific of internal destruction haki, but rather just of flaming G3 punches.

 

[albertwv]

Stop headcannon. Kidd and Law have better feats especially they are reason Big Mom is not there and recently we see Law damaging and tanking Kaido and Kidd tanking Big Mom again after tanking a punch to the face, but could repel her gigantic size with ease into the air. Ignoring they haven't done anything at all is biased headcannon. They have shown harm the Yonkos, not just Zoro via of Enma.

Luffy is the MC and is now fighting Kaido on his own. He can didn't need team to help harm him as shown unlike Zoro who needed help at times with either Killer or Law when fighting the Yonkos. You can't ignore even Zoro asked Law to get him closer to Kaido and not doing it on his own early on and he still getting teleported after that.

Feat is more Law saving his life. He couldn't stop the attack and it is shown. Saying Zoro will survive or block it on his own doesn't make sense otherwise Law wouldn't save him. You don't get feat on that.

Don't bring up another character out of insecurity on Zoro. Your not helping your side by doing that.

You think Kid tanking 1 punch from BM and repelling her is a feat. Oh gosh, you lost credibility. Let me tell you why, Bege was also able to tank 2 hits from BM and Queen as well. Kid was able to repel her with his DF, not his brute strength so it's no feat.

You're the only one who rejects Zolo's feats. Law and Kid did a Combo attack to move BM but did not manage to damage her so it aint no feat at all.
Zolo scarred Kaido alone with nobodys help that alone is huge feat, you may say it's thanks to Enma, but who is wielding Enma? Do you seriosuly believe if Luffy, Law, Kid, or any other swordsman in Wano could actually wield Enma AND cut Kaido that deep without losing their haki? That is all Zolo, he managed to tame Enma.

Bro, please don't start something on forcing headcannon. Sanji nerfed was compete with Vergo even so he still damage him and send him flying without full power nor healthy that time. Feats more on Sanji especially he couldn't do the mission and stop G5 and Tashigi and choose to leave while Sanji stayed fight even with gas around them.

Zoro's durability still isn't high given he got saved and one-shot by Kaido for when he first focus him. Where did Yamato came from? Your still pushing he can handle any of them lol?

Sanji has no tank feats anywhere near Zolo's level. Zolo was able to temporarily stop the one of the strongest attack we've seen so far for a few seconds and still be able to scar Kaido afterwards. Sanji comes nowhere near this level. Nowhere.

Also Sanji vs Vergo, Vergo wouldve killed him if the fight had kept going, as evident of Vergo not even going serious compared to Vergo vs Smoker and Law. Sanji even pointed out that if the fight wouldve kept going it wouldve been bad for him. Vergo never went full haki or bamboo on Sanji.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Eh sanji wasn’t fresh versus vergo
Nami had gotten his body badly beaten up snd worn down earlier

And this is laughable law is many times stronger than he was at punk hazard
Same goes for the counter shock , the one he used on big mum is much more powerful than the one he used on vergo are we kidding here

 

[King Moe]

You think Kid tanking 1 punch from BM and repelling her is a feat. Oh gosh, you lost credibility. Let me tell you why, Bege was also able to tank 2 hits from BM and Queen as well. Kid was able to repel her with his DF, not his brute strength so it's no feat.

You're the only one who rejects Zolo's feats. Law and Kid did a Combo attack to move BM but did not manage to damage her so it aint no feat at all.
Zolo scarred Kaido alone with nobodys help that alone is huge feat, you may say it's thanks to Enma, but who is wielding Enma? Do you seriosuly believe if Luffy, Law, Kid, or any other swordsman in Wano could actually wield Enma AND cut Kaido that deep without losing their haki? That is all Zolo, he managed to tame Enma.




Sanji has no tank feats anywhere near Zolo's level. Zolo was able to temporarily stop the one of the strongest attack we've seen so far for a few seconds and still be able to scar Kaido afterwards. Sanji comes nowhere near this level. Nowhere.

Also Sanji vs Vergo, Vergo wouldve killed him if the fight had kept going, as evident of Vergo not even going serious compared to Vergo vs Smoker and Law. Sanji even pointed out that if the fight wouldve kept going it wouldve been bad for him. Vergo never went full haki or bamboo on Sanji.

BM has powerful physical strength so to tanked that head-on with no defense around his body and then repel her in the air, that is a big feat, not using a move to defend yourself like Bege in Big Father. Queen got feats from that too and shown how durable he is and Kidd just the same as well. Your credibility is not there if you refuse on that.

Nah, not only one here as there been certain others. Also like your calling it combo yet your not saying combo for Law getting Zoro close to Kaido and Killer attacking with Zoro on Kaido a few times. Yet you pushed them as 'Zoro's feats' when they aren't that much. Enma is the reason for it as why didn't his other swords didn't leave a cut? Explain why on that and don't say they did when we saw one cut on his body compare to Oden we see him using both his swords to leave two cuts on Kaido's being.

He has. He tanked King's attack and Zoro has not shown how deep he can go as hard to determine just because facing Kaido in a team doesn't give you feats above everyone else especially on one on one fight. Zoro didn't block anything, he was saved by Law. Your not helping your side and having scar by Enma doesn't stop those who can be stronger like Luffy, Kidd, and Law. No scar on their side, but we know they are stronger. Sanji is on same tier as Zoro especially he is reaching YC lvl just like Zoro is.

Stop, we know Sanji and Law would beat Vergo fresh off on either side as it was clear Sanji was nerfed from body switching and Law has his heart taken by Vergo as a nerf to him too. They only struggle due to that, not because Vergo truly was over them when it wasn't. Guess we can say Yeti Brothers are above Zoro then given how easy they got to him if your ignoring the context.

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Eh sanji wasn’t fresh versus vergo
Nami had gotten his body badly beaten up snd worn down earlier

And this is laughable law is many times stronger than he was at punk hazard
Same goes for the counter shock , the one he used on big mum is much more powerful than the one he used on vergo are we kidding here

I remember forum was doubting Law going up there to face Kaido and harm Kaido after he didn't beat Doflamingo. Idk why some think no one can get stronger the next arc? Everyone trains to get stronger each arc. Whether it is on-screen or off-screen training, it still counts and everyone are stronger than they appear from arcs ago especially if they were nerfed in certain fights.

 

[albertwv]

BM has powerful physical strength so to tanked that head-on with no defense around his body and then repel her in the air, that is a big feat, not using a move to defend yourself like Bege in Big Father. Queen got feats from that too and shown how durable he is and Kidd just the same as well. Your credibility is not there if you refuse on that.

Nah, not only one here as there been certain others. Also like your calling it combo yet your not saying combo for Law getting Zoro close to Kaido and Killer attacking with Zoro on Kaido a few times. Yet you pushed them as 'Zoro's feats' when they aren't that much. Enma is the reason for it as why didn't his other swords didn't leave a cut? Explain why on that and don't say they did when we saw one cut on his body compare to Oden we see him using both his swords to leave two cuts on Kaido's being.

He has. He tanked King's attack and Zoro has not shown how deep he can go as hard to determine just because facing Kaido in a team doesn't give you feats above everyone else especially on one on one fight. Zoro didn't block anything, he was saved by Law. Your not helping your side and having scar by Enma doesn't stop those who can be stronger like Luffy, Kidd, and Law. No scar on their side, but we know they are stronger. Sanji is on same tier as Zoro especially he is reaching YC lvl just like Zoro is.

Stop, we know Sanji and Law would beat Vergo fresh off on either side as it was clear Sanji was nerfed from body switching and Law has his heart taken by Vergo as a nerf to him too. They only struggle due to that, not because Vergo truly was over them when it wasn't. Guess we can say Yeti Brothers are above Zoro then given how easy they got to him if your ignoring the context.

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I remember forum was doubting Law going up there to face Kaido and harm Kaido after he didn't beat Doflamingo. Idk why some think no one can get stronger the next arc? Everyone trains to get stronger each arc. Whether it is on-screen or off-screen training, it still counts and everyone are stronger than they appear from arcs ago especially if they were nerfed in certain fights.

Tanking one punch from BM is not a feat anymore.
Im saying Zolo scarred Kaido ALONE not with Laws help. That is a feat only for Zolo. You try to take away from it saying its a team fight, but Zolo was the one to cut Kaido alone and damage him in that instance.

Sanji aint on the same tier as Zolo, no way. You actually believe Sanji can harm Kaido?

 

[King Moe]

Tanking one punch from BM is not a feat anymore.
Im saying Zolo scarred Kaido ALONE not with Laws help. That is a feat only for Zolo. You try to take away from it saying its a team fight, but Zolo was the one to cut Kaido alone and damage him in that instance.

Sanji aint on the same tier as Zolo, no way. You actually believe Sanji can harm Kaido?

It is when we see what it did to PO. Kidd tanking her power even if that wasn't full-out, was still impressive and him attacking soon after.

Yes he did, but still saying 'scar' doesn't mean he is above everyone as again your stating he is stronger than Luffy who hasn't scar Kaido. Don't use that as argument or it can be messy on what your going on. Not taking it away, but doesn't mean he strongest one in the arc. He still YC lvl, but that is good given that where many saw him on, not just me.

He is given he reaching YC lvl this arc too and he could given he might be next group to support Luffy for next round given Luffy will need multiple rounds before he defeat Kaido truly on his own.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Also laws injection shot did damage to kaido , also did damage to doffy
And he’s many times tougher than doffy
Heck now it has more of a “shotgun” effect

law worked on being able to inflict more damage , his issue versus doffy was his attacks didn’t do damage
Now he can hurt yonkou who are super hard
Heck he took crazy attacks , and can still fight
He’s grown
Did we see any of the strawhats train on screen from arc to arc ? Yet they got hella stronger , law is 2nd protagonist of the new world of course he’s also gotten stronger

 

[King Moe]

Also laws injection shot did damage to kaido , also did damage to doffy
And he’s many times tougher than doffy
Heck now it has more of a “shotgun” effect

law worked on being able to inflict more damage , his issue versus doffy was his attacks didn’t do damage
Now he can hurt yonkou who are super hard
Heck he took crazy attacks , and can still fight
He’s grown
Did we see any of the strawhats train on screen from arc to arc ? Yet they got hella stronger , law is 2nd protagonist of the new world of course he’s also gotten stronger

And some here are doubting Law being able to have COC when he has feats of harming Kaido and tanking his attacks. If Luffy and Kidd have COC, then high possiblity Law has it too as much as Garp has it when Sengoku does.

 

[Fox666]

Also laws injection shot did damage to kaido , also did damage to doffy
And he’s many times tougher than doffy
Heck now it has more of a “shotgun” effect

law worked on being able to inflict more damage , his issue versus doffy was his attacks didn’t do damage
Now he can hurt yonkou who are super hard
Heck he took crazy attacks , and can still fight
He’s grown
Did we see any of the strawhats train on screen from arc to arc ? Yet they got hella stronger , law is 2nd protagonist of the new world of course he’s also gotten stronger

I don't think this attack is much different from before

In both cases he caused internal damage, but against Kaido he hit his chest

 

[albertwv]

And some here are doubting Law being able to have COC when he has feats of harming Kaido and tanking his attacks. If Luffy and Kidd have COC, then high possiblity Law has it too as much as Garp has it when Sengoku does.

Until Oda decides to show us that Law has COC, then he doesn't have it unlike Zolo who actually has it. Kinda sad that Kid and Zolo have it but not Law who is an actual "D" clan member.
You say Law tanked Kaido's attack but not Zolo? When Zolo literally blocked both Kaido and BM's attack and still manage to cut Kaido.
Zolo > Law.

 

[XXGenesis]

Also laws injection shot did damage to kaido , also did damage to doffy
And he’s many times tougher than doffy
Heck now it has more of a “shotgun” effect

law worked on being able to inflict more damage , his issue versus doffy was his attacks didn’t do damage
Now he can hurt yonkou who are super hard
Heck he took crazy attacks , and can still fight
He’s grown
Did we see any of the strawhats train on screen from arc to arc ? Yet they got hella stronger , law is 2nd protagonist of the new world of course he’s also gotten stronger

good scans. I agree. Except for that 2nd

I don't think this attack is much different from before

In both cases he caused internal damage, but against Kaido he hit his chest

Which attack Gamma knife?
Or Injection shot ? I think there’s a difference in the potency of Injection Shot

 

[King Moe]

Until Oda decides to show us that Law has COC, then he doesn't have it unlike Zolo who actually has it. Kinda sad that Kid and Zolo have it but not Law who is an actual "D" clan member.
You say Law tanked Kaido's attack but not Zolo? When Zolo literally blocked both Kaido and BM's attack and still manage to cut Kaido.
Zolo > Law.

He does have it and highly possible as much as Garp does and Sengoku has been announced, but not yet for him. Kidd and Law are above Zoro given performance and hints about them.

Zolo got knockout by Kaido's first attack he focus on him. He didn't stop something, Law saved him, so that is a feat on Law on his speed. I can give cut to Zoro, but most is due to Enma given neither his swords was leaving a scar except that one. It's more Law on his skill and abilities over Zoro in overall fight especially your ignoring him easily able to teleport him and he has no defense to any of his attacks.,

 

[Critical mindset]

Nami had gotten his body badly beaten up snd worn down earlier

No, lol, it would mean Sanji is a pansy ass little bitchboi to someone like Yamato who is eating explosions left and right this arc. When should I expect Yamato to start breaking bones lmao. Or do you even recall that Usopp suffered through the same explosion? Lmao keep crying harder

Also laws injection shot did damage to kaido , also did damage to doffy
And he’s many times tougher than doffy
Heck now it has more of a “shotgun” effect

law worked on being able to inflict more damage , his issue versus doffy was his attacks didn’t do damage
Now he can hurt yonkou who are super hard
Heck he took crazy attacks , and can still fight
He’s grown
Did we see any of the strawhats train on screen from arc to arc ? Yet they got hella stronger , law is 2nd protagonist of the new world of course he’s also gotten stronger

Injection shot did brute force damage to Kaido, so some techniques have grown, doesn't mean all must have grown in parity as Countershock and Gamma Knife are his two most haxxed out techiques outside of island cuts, these techniaques are strong enough as is. Or you reckon he will slice up entire countries or whatever the fuck? And you don't care about my argument because of your bias, like the fact that it didn't create a corona on BM while it did on Vergo. This is an obvious difference and you don't have an answer for this, no surprise