One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[hokageji]

Do you think Oda will show another top tier with Kaido's herculean performance? Although I have to say that for me in the current manga Kaido is beyond any character.

They said Kaido's lost only 7 times, and Kaido compared Luffy to 5 people how can even compete with him... those were WB, Roger, Shanks, Oden and Xebec...
i would say Shanks definitely will be raised to that level albeit in a different way... We'll see overwhelming haki from his side... But BB would definitely be at that level if not higher...

I would also say there's more to Big Mama as well, but doubt we'll see any of that

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

It’s very funny and interesting to see king go from not being worthy or strong enough for Zoro(I actually held somewhat similar position that after facing kaido that king couldn’t make Zoro draw out a higher level of strength so the matchup didn’t interest me much) to the maybe the “strongest” YC1 so folks can prop up their fave in real time
King strong as hell tho
And now the constant Yamato downplay even tho week after week Oda counteracts it’s
Yamato is the real deal as a fighter
K

 

[A$APBog]

It’s very funny and interesting to see king go from not being worthy or strong enough for Zoro to the maybe the “strongest” YC1 so folks can prop up their fave in real time
King strong as hell
And now the constant Yamato downplay even tho week after week Oda counteracts it’s
Yamato is the real deal as a fighter
K

Can't wait to see the "King vs Akainu" in the fantasy battle thread and have

"King win, his ability to use fire is a good match-up against Akainu"

"King vs Big Mom",

"King win, Queen high diffed a nerfed BM but King is stronger than Queen and has a good match-up against Prometheus, he high diff"

"King vs Sengoku"
"King win, Sengoku is old and fire can melt gold"

"King vs Roger"
"Listen, he's currently fighting Zoro rn, I think it's obvious that it means that he would high diff Roger FFS. Stop being biased because you like Roger or because he was called the "Pirate King" bro"

 

[Gallon]

Do you think Oda will show another top tier with Kaido's herculean performance? Although I have to say that for me in the current manga Kaido is beyond any character.

In the future, Akainu and Blackbeard will likely show excellent feats of endurance, but honestly, I don't think they'll be as great as Kaido's.
Thing is, Kaido is pure muscle, so it would make sense for him to remain the strongest in raw physical strength until the end of the series; villains following his defeat will probably be just as threatening (or perhaps more), but they will likely use fancier tricks and "broken" abilities in order to be elevated to that level.

 

[kkck]

It's fairly clear IMO that luffy is still just a step short of a yonko at least. Luffy's fight with kaido has largely been a group effort where luffy and his allies have slowly chipped away at kaido's absurd HP bar. Even if only marginally. Going forward luffy will actually have to solo enemies like kaido rather than have to rely on allies who slowly chip away at him. So sure, future enemies might not be as threatening as kaido but if luffy can solo them with a huge effort it'll still show considerable growth in his part.

 

[albertwv]

It's fairly clear IMO that luffy is still just a step short of a yonko at least. Luffy's fight with kaido has largely been a group effort where luffy and his allies have slowly chipped away at kaido's absurd HP bar. Even if only marginally. Going forward luffy will actually have to solo enemies like kaido rather than have to rely on allies who slowly chip away at him. So sure, future enemies might not be as threatening as kaido but if luffy can solo them with a huge effort it'll still show considerable growth in his part.

I agree. To me it doesnt sit right for Luffy to go from YC1 to Yonko level in the same arc. Thats a huge hurdle as we've seen. I always imagined defeating Kaido was going to be a joint effort by the Supernova in Wano: Luffy, Kid, Law, Killer, Zolo, Hawkins, Apoo and Drake. Just like the Bullet fight. And at the end it was going to be a combo final attack with luffy getting the most hits and dealing the final blow. Thats how I pictured Kaido was going to fall.
The 2 Yonko vs 5 Supernova was outside of my expectations and quite disappointing how Oda built the Yonko to be all this grand to only be challenged by 5 Supernovas. 1 Yonko I understand but 2... that just downplayed the Yonko.

So yeah Luffy and company defeating Kaido is more reasonable than Luffy soloing Kaido at this level. Also gives sense to the storyline-power level. If he solos Kaido who is the WSC, who in my opinion >Akainu and BB. Then who is he going to fight afterwards?

 

[Gallon]

If Kuma were to extract all the pain and damage Kaido took during the raid thus far, who do you think could have survived, or at least stayed conscious, after immersing themselves in it like Zoro did with Luffy's?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

New episode , extended the luffy and Yamato skirmish
But from the jump it should have been obvious , Yamato was top tier fighter from the jump

ulti still funny enough ended up being the most impressive flying 6

 

[Pirate Queen]

New episode , extended the luffy and Yamato skirmish
But from the jump it should have been obvious , Yamato was top tier fighter from the jump

ulti still funny enough ended up being the most impressive flying 6

The anime is doing such a poor job with Luffy's performance it's gunna make no sense when he gets to the roof top and starts putting in work against Kaido.

2 weeks in a row now

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The anime is doing such a poor job with Luffy's performance it's gunna make no sense when he gets to the roof top and starts putting in work against Kaido.

2 weeks in a row now

Nah it was said luffy was holding back considerably and preserving strength and stamina for kaido

 

[Pirate Queen]

Nah it was said luffy was holding back considerably and preserving strength and stamina for kaido

In the manga you can tell he's holding back. In the anime he is unleashing DBZ level attacks that aren't doing shit lol

 

[Nie Li]

The anime is doing such a poor job with Luffy's performance it's gunna make no sense when he gets to the roof top and starts putting in work against Kaido.

2 weeks in a row now

Anime has been a mess with depictions ever since Marineford (included) and it just gets worse with the haki stuff. Zoro vs Kamazo in the anime looked like a DBZ fight.

The saddest part is that on one hand they go way overboard with the effects and movements, yet on the other hand they still make it 100 times more slow and boring than the manga. I recently watched the first encounter of Luffy and Kaido (dragon form) in the anime and what in the manga was just single punch on Kaido's head, was turned into something terribly slow and repetitive. Literally 30 minutes of Luffy being pushed back and slowly coming back to try the same attack again and being pushed back again.

It's a real shame but it's just terrible.

 

[M3J]

If Kuma were to extract all the pain and damage Kaido took during the raid thus far, who do you think could have survived, or at least stayed conscious, after immersing themselves in it like Zoro did with Luffy's?

Luffy, easily no doubt. If we're talking about people on Wano. Zoro, Jinbei, and Sanji too.

 

[Rmstorm]

I agree. To me it doesnt sit right for Luffy to go from YC1 to Yonko level in the same arc. Thats a huge hurdle as we've seen. I always imagined defeating Kaido was going to be a joint effort by the Supernova in Wano: Luffy, Kid, Law, Killer, Zolo, Hawkins, Apoo and Drake. Just like the Bullet fight. And at the end it was going to be a combo final attack with luffy getting the most hits and dealing the final blow. Thats how I pictured Kaido was going to fall.
The 2 Yonko vs 5 Supernova was outside of my expectations and quite disappointing how Oda built the Yonko to be all this grand to only be challenged by 5 Supernovas. 1 Yonko I understand but 2... that just downplayed the Yonko.

So yeah Luffy and company defeating Kaido is more reasonable than Luffy soloing Kaido at this level. Also gives sense to the storyline-power level. If he solos Kaido who is the WSC, who in my opinion >Akainu and BB. Then who is he going to fight afterwards?

We know that Kaido is simply too weak to push Luffy to the extreme. Only people at the peak like Shanks and Blackbeard can do that. This is why Luffy can use Novice CoC( according to Kaido, his CoC usage was clumsy), and a Non Awakened devil fruit to beat him.

Mastered Advanced CoC is a huge power up.
Awakening is also a huge power up.

I want to see Luffy vs Shanks. A real opponent. Shanks can actually fight

 

[Nie Li]

We know that Kaido is simply too weak to push Luffy to the extreme. Only people at the peak like Shanks and Blackbeard can do that. This is why Luffy can use Novice CoC( according to Kaido, his CoC usage was clumsy), and a Non Awakened devil fruit to beat him.

Mastered Advanced CoC is a huge power up.
Awakening is also a huge power up.

I want to see Luffy vs Shanks. A real opponent. Shanks can actually fight

I didn't expect anyone badmouthing Kaido's strength during this arc. Guy's a monster.

 

[Gallon]

Luffy, easily no doubt. If we're talking about people on Wano. Zoro, Jinbei, and Sanji too.

No way. Kaido has taken dozens of advanced CoA Gear Fourth attacks, multiple advanced CoC attacks from both Luffy and Yamato, and countless miscellaneous attacks from the other Supernovae (a weaker Law's Gamma Knife alone was considerably threatening to Doflamingo) and the Scabbards (Sulong Neko and Inu are insanely powerful, as are Denjiro and Ashura Doji).

Luffy has been knocked out multiple times by single attacks of Kaido. He's not staying conscious after all of these, but he might survive.
The others are out of the question.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 12, 2021 ---

We know that Kaido is simply too weak to push Luffy to the extreme. Only people at the peak like Shanks and Blackbeard can do that. This is why Luffy can use Novice CoC( according to Kaido, his CoC usage was clumsy), and a Non Awakened devil fruit to beat him.

Mastered Advanced CoC is a huge power up.
Awakening is also a huge power up.

I want to see Luffy vs Shanks. A real opponent. Shanks can actually fight

Except Luffy alone has been beaten about 4 times by now. Kaido has fought nearly 20 other characters, of whom 8 were Yonko Commander level, and 2 were above that.

Kaido is confirmed to be the strongest pirate, anyway. Shanks and Blackbeard, as of now, are weaker. They will likely be beaten in a 1 on 1 with a stronger Luffy, but that does not mean the same Luffy would beat Kaido. A stronger Luffy is not necessarily stronger than current Luffy, Yamato, the Supernovae, and the Scabbards combined; even EoS Luffy is debatable.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Luffy, easily no doubt. If we're talking about people on Wano. Zoro, Jinbei, and Sanji too.

Luffy is not taking all of Kaido's damage, let alone easily LMAOO. Nobody but Big Mom is taking that.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 12, 2021, Original Post Date: Sep 12, 2021 ---

We know that Kaido is simply too weak to push Luffy to the extreme. Only people at the peak like Shanks and Blackbeard can do that. This is why Luffy can use Novice CoC( according to Kaido, his CoC usage was clumsy), and a Non Awakened devil fruit to beat him.

Mastered Advanced CoC is a huge power up.
Awakening is also a huge power up.

I want to see Luffy vs Shanks. A real opponent. Shanks can actually fight

The guy who Luffy has lost to three times can't push him? You're just saying anything at this point.

 

[Dabanagaga]

Do you think Oda will show another top tier with Kaido's herculean performance? Although I have to say that for me in the current manga Kaido is beyond any character.

Obviously, plot will require him to do so. Blackbeards DF powers, Shanks Haki, maybe an glimpse to previous peak of Garp, Roger amd Whitebeard era through momentual full power of Garp (just an speculation), WG top tiers, at the very least plot dictates for Akainu to be around Yonkou level, maybe Imu, The Elders.
Point is, there will, because it has to happen.
In my eyes, Kaido still has to go actually all out, but it doesn't change your question.

We know that Kaido is simply too weak to push Luffy to the extreme. Only people at the peak like Shanks and Blackbeard can do that. This is why Luffy can use Novice CoC( according to Kaido, his CoC usage was clumsy), and a Non Awakened devil fruit to beat him.

Mastered Advanced CoC is a huge power up.
Awakening is also a huge power up.

I want to see Luffy vs Shanks. A real opponent. Shanks can actually fight

Whatever you're smoking, I'd like some, because only an absolutely baked potato would say something like this.

 

[Ellenate]

If Kuma were to extract all the pain and damage Kaido took during the raid thus far, who do you think could have survived, or at least stayed conscious, after immersing themselves in it like Zoro did with Luffy's?

if we're to believe what's been said, Kaido should've felt very little pain thus far... so anyone really

if kuma's ability recreates the attacks and they have to "relive" them... Big Mom and probably jack (i don't think anyone there wants to eat a neck slash from zoro)

 

[HereNThere]

We know that Kaido is simply too weak to push Luffy to the extreme. Only people at the peak like Shanks and Blackbeard can do that. This is why Luffy can use Novice CoC( according to Kaido, his CoC usage was clumsy), and a Non Awakened devil fruit to beat him.

Mastered Advanced CoC is a huge power up.
Awakening is also a huge power up.

I want to see Luffy vs Shanks. A real opponent. Shanks can actually fight

Already been point out, but yeah, this is a wild ass take right here.

Every time Luffy gets Kaido to himself, Kaido stomps a mudhole in him in no time flat. You'll get your "extreme" fight soon enough when Luffy masters his haki enough and after Kaido gets whittled down a bit more.