One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[albertwv]

Luffy is not Yonko level just yet, he will be after this arc or close to it depending on how he defeats Kaido. Luffy defeating Kaido after this arc will be a hard feat to claim all on is own. We know he had so much assistance to wear down Kaido, Just like the Kata fight, even though it was a 1v1 and Luffy "won", many fans (myself included) do not believe or feel right giving Luffy the win. Reason was because we saw how much Kata dealt damage to Luffy and at the end it seemed like Kata purposedly fell back. What I am trying to get at is that even if Luffy wins Kaido in this round 1v1, the whole victory wont be his alone meaning: Kaido > Luffy, until we can see Luffy 1v1 any other Yonko

 

[aberick]

for sure luffy is on yonkou level, he is not even touching when clashing, the only ones who did that was roger and shirohige, the clash between kaido and big mom not even worked that way, oda is telling us that, if you dont understand it, just wait... luffy is probably stronger than big mom already, luffy using g4 on whole cake was strong enough for big mom to block it with haki, so i bet luffy are stronger than big mom already...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

for sure luffy is on yonkou level, he is not even touching when clashing, the only ones who did that was roger and shirohige, the clash between kaido and big mom not even worked that way, oda is telling us that, if you dont understand it, just wait... luffy is probably stronger than big mom already, luffy using g4 on whole cake was strong enough for big mom to block it with haki, so i bet luffy are stronger than big mom already...

big mum that fought kaido for 3 days ,probably the most durable character outside of kaido in the show and a natural born monster like oden

they already fought for 3 days straight and split the skies, big mumis roughly at par with kaido reeally

 

[Fallou]

Beating a Yonko means you're Yonko level. It's as simple as that. Once Luffy defeats a foe his level effectively becomes that of said foe or above (he would obviously beat Katakuri fairly as he is now)

 

[M3J]

If Luffy is emperor-level, then he should be able to fight on par with Kaidou without help, even if he needs help to win.

 

[Fallou]

If Luffy is emperor-level, then he should be able to fight on par with Kaidou without help, even if he needs help to win.

Right now he's more like "rising to" Yonko level than "exactly at" Yonko level...
It's literaly exactly the same thing that has happened during most of his fights before.
Luffy needs luck, second chances or help to win his fights, because he's weaker than his opponent when the fight begins.
Then he pushes through and overcomes, blah blah.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I don't get this stance, not saying it's wrong. I am a well known Luffy fan so my stance may very well be biased.

The argument for Luffy not being Yonko level has been an absolute series of moving goal posts.

Luffy Learns FS and Ryou. Putting him clearly above any other YC we have seen? It's still not enough

Luffy is so powerful Kaido was shook and saw the Visage of Oden, Shanks, WB, and Rocks. It's still not enough.

Luffy is the only one successfully putting in lasting damage to Kaido? It's still not enough.

Luffy learns Advanced CoC making him the ONLY CHARACTER in One Piece to have all 4 forms of advanced haki? Still not enough.

Luffy splits the sky in a clash that ONLY Yonko have been shown to do? Still not enough.

Come on now

 

[Fox666]

Yeah, Luffy splitting the skies doesn't leave much ambiguity

He would wipe the floor with any commander

He probably already surpassed Rayleigh

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

He probably already surpassed Rayleigh

Hmmm..... I wouldn't say that yet! At his old age and untrained state, the Dark King still is very much capable of doing what Luffy's doing at the Roof. It's without a doubt that he, too, has the 3 Advanced type of Haki (just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he don't have them.. as he said he was just teaching Luffy the "basic").

 

[M3J]

Right now he's more like "rising to" Yonko level than "exactly at" Yonko level...
It's literaly exactly the same thing that has happened during most of his fights before.
Luffy needs luck, second chances or help to win his fights, because he's weaker than his opponent when the fight begins.
Then he pushes through and overcomes, blah blah.

Agreed. After this arc, he should be extremely close to that level, if not there.

I don't get this stance, not saying it's wrong. I am a well known Luffy fan so my stance may very well be biased.

The argument for Luffy not being Yonko level has been an absolute series of moving goal posts.

Luffy Learns FS and Ryou. Putting him clearly above any other YC we have seen? It's still not enough

Luffy is so powerful Kaido was shook and saw the Visage of Oden, Shanks, WB, and Rocks. It's still not enough.

Luffy is the only one successfully putting in lasting damage to Kaido? It's still not enough.

Luffy learns Advanced CoC making him the ONLY CHARACTER in One Piece to have all 4 forms of advanced haki? Still not enough.

Luffy splits the sky in a clash that ONLY Yonko have been shown to do? Still not enough.

Come on now

I'll believe he's an emperor level if he fights Kaidou alone and ties with him or loses in an extremely hard fight for Kaidou. I'm saying this as a Luffy fan.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I think he is yonkoulvl the moment Kaidou, Big Mom, BB or shanks acknowledge him as such.

Which should happen with the skyplitting to be honest.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Hmmm..... I wouldn't say that yet! At his old age and untrained state, the Dark King still is very much capable of doing what Luffy's doing at the Roof. It's without a doubt that he, too, has the 3 Advanced type of Haki (just because he didn't show it doesn't mean he don't have them.. as he said he was just teaching Luffy the "basic").

Rayleigh might have it but there’s no guarantee he did as it stands he’s just a conquerors user

 

[HereNThere]

I'd say the parallels Oda created are clear. Luffy is basically now comparable to a Yonkou. He might not be exactly equal to Kaido or Big Mom, but he's within spitting distance.

The Heaven's recognize the Gummy Boi.

 

[albertwv]

Splitting the sky is an extraordinary feat which we've only seen Yonko do it but this doesnt mean Luffy is Yonko level. Luffy is rising to the level of Yonko and is closer to Yonko than to YC1.
At the beginning of the fight Luffy was slightly stronger than YC1, now he is slightly weaker than a Yonko.

The reason I refuse to acknowledge Luffy as Yonko level is because, Kaido has been fighting almost nonstop and has been taking serious damage that would knock out anyone who wasnt Yonko level by now. Kaido vs 9 Scabbards, Kaido vs 5 Supernova, Kaido vs Luffy with ACoC, Kaido vs Kinemon, Kaido vs Yamato, and now Kaido vs Luffy ACoC, Momo, and maybe Yamato. Kaido has taken damage from each fight. So if Luffy beats Kaido even if its a 1v1 this round, it will not necessarily mean Luffy >/= Kaido. It means that Kaido was weakened while Luffy gained a power up and was able to take down an exhausted damaged Kaido.

 

[hokageji]

He probably already surpassed Rayleigh

i would disagree if you hadn't said probably. Fact is Luffy has done everything Rayleigh can so far expect perhaps stop Kizaru's kick and Marco with a finger.... But in terms of techniques, he has equaled him. Besides that, the sky splitting technique isn't something we've seen Rayleigh do so probably surpassed gim

 

[aberick]

i would disagree if you hadn't said probably. Fact is Luffy has done everything Rayleigh can so far expect perhaps stop Kizaru's kick and Marco with a finger.... But in terms of techniques, he has equaled him. Besides that, the sky splitting technique isn't something we've seen Rayleigh do so probably surpassed gim

lol, rayleigh was in his peak and marco was not even close to his level today, and he stopping kizaru's kick its not something that relevant, marco stopped a strong attack from kizaru in marineford, luffy is much stronger than rayleight nowdays, and maybe already above rayleigh level in his peak, can you see rayleigh putting a fight like luffy is doing and split the skies nowdays? not even close, lmao...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

i would disagree if you hadn't said probably. Fact is Luffy has done everything Rayleigh can so far expect perhaps stop Kizaru's kick and Marco with a finger.... But in terms of techniques, he has equaled him. Besides that, the sky splitting technique isn't something we've seen Rayleigh do so probably surpassed gim

lol, rayleigh was in his peak and marco was not even close to his level today, and he stopping kizaru's kick its not something that relevant, marco stopped a strong attack from kizaru in marineford, luffy is much stronger than rayleight nowdays, and maybe already above rayleigh level in his peak, can you see rayleigh putting a fight like luffy is doing and split the skies nowdays? not even close, lmao...

That’s an anime only scene and Marco was pretty much an apprentice then , he was hella young

 

[Holt]

Luffy is yonko level already and I suppose the problem is some taking that to mean he would automatically beat any yonko. He's definitely the weakest of the yonko right now, and will remain so for quite some time. Beating Kaido would not change that fact, just like how Luffy beating Katakuri made him YC1 level but not stronger than Katakuri (or any of them at the time imo).

 

[M3J]

When Luffy can actually hold his own against Kaidou for much longer (Big Mom and Kaidou fought evenly or almost evenly for few hours), then I'll consider him an emperor or emperor level, if he loses in an extremely difficult fight. What's the point of being considered on an emperor level if you're just going to lose to them in an hour-long fight?

 

[XXGenesis]

When Luffy can actually hold his own against Kaidou for much longer (Big Mom and Kaidou fought evenly or almost evenly for few hours), then I'll consider him an emperor or emperor level, if he loses in an extremely difficult fight. What's the point of being considered on an emperor level if you're just going to lose to them in an hour-long fight?

Because an Emperor can lose against another Emperor; In terms of the Diff; Is our power scailing more correct than the story???

We’ve only seen Emperor lv characters split the sky with a COC clash. Last chapter was significant in showing Luffy is now on that Lv.