One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[A$APBog]

He fought Marco 1 on 1 for a prolonged period of time while Queen was on the live floor, fighting Chopper and later Sanji.

Hybrid form probably triples your strength. If King was fighting evenly with Marco with a third of his full power that is strong evidence that he's above Marco.

Spoiler: Leaks

Not to mention if King destroys Zoro and breaks Sandai that would be a crazy feat. Imagine if he overpowers Asura.

A Marco who already had to deal against Queen/King, BM and healed the entire floor.

I would take your argument if it was a pure 1v1 fight because it's clearly not

 

[LadyVados]

A Marco who already had to deal against Queen/King, BM and healed the entire floor.

I would take your argument if it was a pure 1v1 fight because it's clearly not

King had his own fights up to that point too. With Sanji, the samurai, getting shot by Izo, and probably countless other off-panel stuff.

And again Hybrid form >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoan Form

Look at how much stronger Hybrid form made Lucci and Kaido.

 

[A$APBog]

King had his own fights up to that point too. With Sanji, the samurai, getting shot by Izo, and probably countless other off-panel stuff.

And again Hybrid form >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zoan Form

Look at how much stronger Hybrid form made Lucci and Kaido.

Sanji just saved Momo, it wasn't even a fight. If you add countless of fights to King, you can do the same with Marco imo

Therefore, you are comparing a samourai, a bullet, a Power Ranger who was wide open because is objective was to save Momo with a Yonkou, 2 YC + Peropero + perpetual healing of hundredths if not thousands of people infected by a pratically incurable virus ?
It's seem to be quite fair honestly...

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Are we just leaving out that Marco did physically restrain both king and queen ?
and The fact that big mum thought he wasn’t worth the amount of stress and energy to take him out ?

 

[A$APBog]

Are we just leaving out that Marco did physically restrain both king and queen ?
and The fact that big mum thought he wasn’t worth the amount of stress and energy to take him out ?

It seems that we're doing that now, yes...

 

[LadyVados]

Sanji just saved Momo, it wasn't even a fight. If you add countless of fights to King, you can do the same with Marco imo

Therefore, you are comparing a samourai, a bullet, a Power Ranger who was wide open because is objective was to save Momo with a Yonkou, 2 YC + Peropero + perpetual healing of hundredths if not thousands of people infected by a pratically incurable virus ?
It's seem to be quite fair honestly...

He didn't receive any damage against Big Mom and he phased through Queen's attacks. The only time we say him being damaged was when King cut off his arm and Marco managed to regenerate from that. King took a full power kick from Hybrid Marco in his human form and took almost no damage. We don't know what impact the healing fires have on Marco's strength and whether they weaken him.

You're comparing a guy in his weakest form vs a guy in his strongest form, seems quite fair honestly.

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Are we just leaving out that Marco did physically restrain both king and queen ?
and The fact that big mum thought he wasn’t worth the amount of stress and energy to take him out ?

I think King wouldn't be worth the amount of stress and energy to take out for a Yonko either.

Marco just restrained King and Queen for a few seconds, that isn't a feat of superiority, anyone can restrain anyone for a few seconds. Next you'll be saying Hajrudin > Luffy or Robin > Big Mom.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

He didn't receive any damage against Big Mom and he phased through Queen's attacks. The only time we say him being damaged was when King cut off his arm and Marco managed to regenerate from that. King took a full power kick from Hybrid Marco in his human form and took almost no damage. We don't know what impact the healing fires have on Marco's strength and whether they weaken him.

You're comparing a guy in his weakest form vs a guy in his strongest form, seems quite fair honestly.

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I think King wouldn't be worth the amount of stress and energy to take out for a Yonko either.

Marco just restrained King and Queen for a few seconds, that isn't a feat of superiority, anyone can restrain anyone for a few seconds. Next you'll be saying Hajrudin > Luffy or Robin > Big Mom.

That’s literal headcannon we have never seen a. Yonkou say , you said I think
With Marco WE KNOW , there are panels

 

[A$APBog]

He didn't receive any damage against Big Mom and he phased through Queen's attacks. The only time we say him being damaged was when King cut off his arm and Marco managed to regenerate from that. King took a full power kick from Hybrid Marco in his human form and took almost no damage. We don't know what impact the healing fires have on Marco's strength and whether they weaken him.

You're comparing a guy in his weakest form vs a guy in his strongest form, seems quite fair honestly.

If we play the guy of "assuming or not", who told you that King effectively damaged him or not ?

Or we can assume that King used his hybrid against Marco but it was not shown, just like the countless other fight he went through

Moreover, you will have to explain to me why "if the only damage he took was from King sword" he already had bruises before being cut and how a sword can cause these

Moreover, you're saying to me that the man who took no damages from BM would be overcomed by a YC...

A few seconds... Define a few seconds please because between 13 sec and 15min there is a difference

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That’s literal headcannon we have never seen a. Yonkou say , you said I think
With Marco WE KNOW , there are panels

4 messages and I already gave up. She's too strong for me

 

[LadyVados]

That’s literal headcannon we have never seen a. Yonkou say , you said I think
With Marco WE KNOW , there are panels

And King fought on par with that same Marco (even cut off his arm), so he scales to Marco's feats.

At the very least King should be stronger than Jozu who held off the Yonko-level Aokiji for a prolonged period of time, finally being beaten only by a surprise attack.

 

[LadyVados]

Moreover, you're saying to me that the man who took no damages from BM would be overcomed by a YC...

Um... Marco is a YC too you know that right ?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

And King fought on par with that same Marco (even cut off his arm), so he scales to Marco's feats.

At the very least King should be stronger than Jozu who held off the Yonko-level Aokiji for a prolonged period of time, finally being beaten only by a surprise attack.

Ehhhhh that’s on jozu
Both jozu and aokiji got surprise attacks on each other
Jozu’s barely damaged aokiji
Aokiji allowed it to allow him win sorry but if I allow clean blows and one stuns versus one knocks someone out

Marco fighting style in general throws caution to the wind cause he can regenerate it’s like knocking a logia type for allowing themselves to receive damage from haki less attacks , they don’t mind cause it doesn’t matter with them

 

[LadyVados]

The idea that King is fodder to Marco is ridiculous

The power difference between Dragon/Human Kaido and Hybrid Kaido is HUGE, it'll be the same for King.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The idea that King is fodder to Marco is ridiculous

The power difference between Dragon/Human Kaido and Hybrid Kaido is HUGE, it'll be the same for King.

No one said fodder lmao
Just that Marco is stronger

Anyhow it’s been interesting to see the perception around king change , went from not being worthy of zoro’s opponent to being boosted to almost admiral level , lmao the agenda is clear and hilarious.

 

[LadyVados]

Anyhow it’s been interesting to see the perception around king change , went from not being worthy of zoro’s opponent to being boosted to almost admiral level , lmao the agenda is clear and hilarious.

Because he is winning against Zoro who is clearly YC1+ and much stronger than the likes of Katakuri and WCI Luffy. Also he easily tanked Enma which is capable of damaging Kaido. And is competing against if not overpowering Zoro's physical strength which could hold back Hakai. His attacks also should scale to or above Big Mom's lightning attacks which Zoro could tank easily. Every fighter who Zoro fights from now on will at least scale above Zoro's rooftop feats. The same way if Luffy struggles against some random giant from Elbaf next arc, we'll say he's Yonko level.

If King does something crazy like overpower Asura I fail to see how anyone can argue he isn't top tier.

If Zoro kills Kaido and then loses to Shilliew a few arcs from now that doesn't mean Zoro is weak it means Shilliew is really fucking strong.

Also Sanji-fans have been saying he's Admiral-level for 100 chapters now

 

[M3J]

Y'all need to ignore Zoro stans, it's not worth it. All I got from the fight was that neither side was really able to damage each other or take each other out.

 

[grey matter]

Ace vs Yamato really doesnt prove anything. If anything it shows Yamato was strong enough to fight off Ace without using her DF power. Ace never showed signs of CoA even when others did. Yamato let's say is YC1 level at the very least, Ace is nowhere near that level.
Pre TS Ace = Post TS Sabo holds no weight. Sabo > Ace does because Sabo actually knows CoA is proficient in using it.
To make extra clear, Sabo DOES NOT have Ryou Haki confirmed. So please stop pretending he does, not until the manga confirms it. Either way having Ryou haki doesnt mean you get to be YC1 level or higher. The Boa sisters and Sentomaru have it but they are not that strong.

Ace was equal to Jimbei but weaker than Jozu and Vista.
Can Sabo defeat Doflamingo or Katakuri? I doubt it. Doffy he may tie with.

Just because he is the #2 of the Revs doesnt mean anything, Ace was the #2 of the WB Pirates .

Yamato is YC1 tier because of her DF transformation. Her base is around Ulti/Jimbe level. So, there is no discrepancy in Ace's feats against Yamato.
Also, the fact that Ace managed this at 17 years old (i.e Luffy's age when at BOS) is beyond impressive. To put it in perspective, Luffy was literal fodder to Jinbe/base Yamato at this age.

Ace was equal to Jimbe/base Yamato as a rookie. He was only as old as Luffy in BOS, while Yamato was in her mid 20s and Jimbe in his early 40s. Why are you ignoring this? It is a very important point.
There was 2-3 years of difference between then and BOS, with Ace obviously having a much higher growth rate compared to those two who had arguably reached their peaks (Jimbe definitely, Yamato almost). WB and Shanks also commended on Ace's great potential, and said that he could've become the pirate king.
Ace, at the time of his death, was definitely YC2 tier. He gave BB a high-extreme diff while having DF disadvantage, and Shanks said BB was strong and gave him a scar while he wasn't careless/off-guard.

 

[Pirate Queen]

How anyone can argue with someone who thinks King is stronger than Big Mom and thinks Zoro is stronger than Whitebeard is beyond me...

 

[AmitDS]

lmao this person is at it again xD
I thought this whole "King is secretly Yonkou+++ tier" phase was over with.... *sigh*

Anyway, we all know BM > Marco, Marco > King, and King for now is > Zoro up until he beats him (and even then, depending on Zoro's performance I would wager that he'd still be at most at King's level or a bit less at the end of Wano). Don't feed the troll.

 

[LadyVados]

Y'all need to ignore Zoro stans, it's not worth it. All I got from the fight was that neither side was really able to damage each other or take each other out.

That is exactly what I'm saying ! Zoro haters are trying to argue that Marco is >>> King without any evidence.

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Don't feed the troll.

Ok, we won't feed you.

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thinks Zoro is stronger than Whitebeard is beyond me...

I said he's stronger than old sick whitebeard, who I rate below every admiral and Yonko, by virtue of him getting a heart attack every 2 minutes. Zoro just has to survive long enough for him to get a heart attack, then one dead man's game and game over.

As for Big Mom, I don't think the gap between the stronger YC1s and the weaker Yonkos is that big. Big Mom looks like she might lose to Kidd and Law, who are both pretty weak.

 

[albertwv]

Yamato is YC1 tier because of her DF transformation. Her base is around Ulti/Jimbe level. So, there is no discrepancy in Ace's feats against Yamato.
Also, the fact that Ace managed this at 17 years old (i.e Luffy's age when at BOS) is beyond impressive. To put it in perspective, Luffy was literal fodder to Jinbe/base Yamato at this age.

Ace was equal to Jimbe/base Yamato as a rookie. He was only as old as Luffy in BOS, while Yamato was in her mid 20s and Jimbe in his early 40s. Why are you ignoring this? It is a very important point.
There was 2-3 years of difference between then and BOS, with Ace obviously having a much higher growth rate compared to those two who had arguably reached their peaks (Jimbe definitely, Yamato almost). WB and Shanks also commended on Ace's great potential, and said that he could've become the pirate king.
Ace, at the time of his death, was definitely YC2 tier. He gave BB a high-extreme diff while having DF disadvantage, and Shanks said BB was strong and gave him a scar while he wasn't careless/off-guard.

Their ages have no importance. Would Ace be stronger if he were alive. I believe so yes. Did he have huge potential of course. Does his age give off anything? No not really. Ace was not YC2 tier at the time of his death. He was YC3 at best. Gear 4 Luffy in Dressrosa would mid diff Ace. Look at how he threw Doffy around and Doffy was pretty strong.