One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
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5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
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[grey matter]

Izo vs Cracker - Mid diff for Cracker. I think that Cracker power is just too difficult to handle if you don’t have a good way of destroying the biscuit soldiers. And I don’t see Izo having an attack that can destroy them.

Izo vs Ulti - High diff for Izo. He seams to be pretty agile, he can spam a lot of hits until Ulti is down. But the fight can go to any of the sides, if Ulti hits a good headbutt in Izo… a win for Ulti

Izo vs Oven - A difficult fight… Really don’t know. I bet on Oven just because he seams to be stronger than Izo.

Izo vs Black Maria - Black Maria don’t impressed me at all. I bet that Izo can win with easy against her.

Stopping to think, Izo isn’t all that…

I think advanced armament haki can somewhat get around the thick biscuits? I agree Cracker wins, but high diff

Also think Izo wins against Ovens mid-high diff. The dude is slow AF, even though he is pretty powerful

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But, apparently, Kaido is a Oni, not a human. Maybe his peak takes a little longer to be achieved… Really, for me is pretty difficult to believe Odin is Yonko level… Maybe because I don’t like him so much. Oden is a right hand, a YC1 or a YC1+. Noting more than that

Kaido seems like he's part oni-giant and part human
Actual oni giants, like Oars and Oars Jr are humungous

Oden is 100% Yonko level. Low Yonko level IMO, but still up there. He was shown relative to someone like Rayleigh than a typical YC1. And Rayleigh, even when old and rusted, is a solid admiral tier.

YC1+ would be someone like Marco

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Yeah a change of pace feels right. We're always preoccupied with how strong Luffy, Zolo, Sanji, Yonko, YCs and Admirals are, but we should look at other characters.

Izo in my eyes is weak, hes a samurai with 2 pistols thats weird. From the WBP, anybody outside from the 1-5 commanders, are weak in my eyes, like VA level weak, which is not weak but not impressive, actually even the VAs have performed better than the rest of 6-16 WBP commanders.

Izo could give Black Maria and maybe Oven a challenge, but I dont see Izo defeating Cracker at all or even Ulti.

Commanders 6-16 are the WB pirate equivalent of Yonko executives IMO, so all of them are Tobiroppo tier

Izo uses both I think?
Pistols aren't weak at all lol. They seem weak cause they are mostly used by fodders.
One of BB's primary YCs uses a gun. Shanks' no2, arguably the strongest 2nd in command in current times, also uses a pistol

Izo uses advanced armament haki with his bullets and could penetrate Kaido with them.

IMO, Izo wins against everyone but Cracker here.
Ulti would give him high-extreme diff I guess

 

[LadyVados]

Spoiler: 1032

Call me crazy, but did the latest chapter just prove that King is more durable than Kaido ?

 

[grey matter]

Spoiler: 1032

Call me crazy, but did the latest chapter just prove that King is more durable than Kaido ?

Why u do this !?!

 

[I Am Atomic]

Why u do this !?!

 

[LadyVados]

Why u do this !?!

Spoiler: 1032

Zoro: So in the end, for both Dragons and you Dinosaurs...
Zoro: ...is durability your forte!!?
King: !!!
King: That's correct...but it's even more so in my case!!
King: You see...I might just be a tad unique/special!!

 

[Pirate Queen]

Why u do this !?!

I saw this and started crying from laughing so hard

 

[Ricko]

King is more durable than Dragon Kaido who is not very durable as even Momo could hurt him with his non haki teeth...

Nothing impressive here....

 

[grey matter]

Spoiler: 1032

Zoro: So in the end, for both Dragons and you Dinosaurs...
Zoro: ...is durability your forte!!?
King: !!!
King: That's correct...but it's even more so in my case!!
King: You see...I might just be a tad unique/special!!

I'd rather go with the dude who cannot even kill himself lmao.

As for the panels, there is a difference between durability and defence. It could be that King is more defensive than a casual Kaido, seems like his wings have something to do with it

 

[LadyVados]

I'd rather go with the dude who cannot even kill himself lmao.

As for the panels, there is a difference between durability and defence. It could be that King is more defensive than a casual Kaido, seems like his wings have something to do with it

Spoiler: 1032

Zoro will learn how to cut through those wings

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I'm not saying characters exponentially grow as time passes. I don't see how God Valley is relevant here... BM/Kaido weren't in their Prime as per Sengoku, and Shiki and WB weren't their prime either.

According to the manga Kaido and Moriah fought and on par with one another so Kaido eventually winning and him and/or his crew beating Moriah's is irrelevant. Aokiji and Akainu fought evenly and Akainu ended up winning. Point is Moriah was not emperor leveled and neither was Kaido.

Furthermore around that time, Roger's only rivals were WB, Shiki and BM with BM and WB already acting as emperors. If Oden and Kaido were emperor leveled back then then it would have been mentioned. Oden even told Kaido to get stronger so that further supports that he did to end up being an emperor.

Anyway, the reason he respects Oden and according to the VC that fight with Oden aroused and exhilarated him the most. The reason for this is because funny enough, Kaido was not in his Prime here so obviously a lower tiered person would fare better against this version of himself. Oden was awestruck by seeing Roger and WB clashing on the island and we've already been discussing how those characters aren't drastically stronger than "Yonkou" tiered people.

Context matters here with him seeing Luffy reminding him of Shanks and Roger/WB, etc. Clearly each of them have differing circumstances for him to respect them. Roger/WB were the strongest pirates and Shanks clashed with him before Marineford (reinforced in King's VC). And lastly, he saw Oden because as I said above, it was his most exciting fight.

In regards to the valley fight , I rate Rogers and garp a lot
There’s no way that just two of them are defeating shiki rocks whitebeard big mum and the host of other great pirates
They probably used a splitting tactic , Sengoku straight up said there wasn’t a great deal of loyalty or comradery between them
That’s just my guess we will see how it played out but rocks was defeated his crew disbanded and destroyed but not essentially saying all the members defeated one one
Big mum was a natural and poweful calamity from the jump , she’s one of the few who probably peaked in time

 

[AmitDS]

In regards to the valley fight , I rate Rogers and garp a lot
There’s no way that just two of them are defeating shiki rocks whitebeard big mum and the host of other great pirates
They probably used a splitting tactic , Sengoku straight up said there wasn’t a great deal of loyalty or comradery between them
That’s just my guess we will see how it played out but rocks was defeated his crew disbanded and destroyed but not essentially saying all the members defeated one one
Big mum was a natural and poweful calamity from the jump , she’s one of the few who probably peaked in time

It could be that Roger and Garp, although being similar aged to WB, peaked earlier so their iterations at God Valley were stronger than WB at that time. What could be extrapolated from the timeline:
God Valley was 38 years ago and Roger and WB's clash was 26 years ago. This leaves us with 12 years of growth for WB to eventually end up in Wano and later tie with Roger in their clash. Shiki could be a similar case as well, as there's reasonably no way to envision just Roger and Garp taking WB, Shiki AND BM if they were all at the same relative power level. That is also ignoring the fact that Xebec would also be left unchecked and since we know Garp/Roger came out victorious this can't be correct.
Here's hoping that we get God Valley flashbacks during Kaido vs Luffy xD

Spoiler

On another note, just chiming in on this King and Kaido thing:
No, he's not more durable than Kaido, the person that is hyped by the entire world as the un-killable one lol. Yes, King seemingly handled Zoro's Tatsumaki better than Dragon Kaido, but I thought we were all in a consensus that Dragon Kaido is his least durable form lol or are we discarding that because of an agenda? xD
King vs Zoro is simply just still in the phase of the fight where the big bad seems infallible and undefeatable, just like in Luffy's fight vs Katakuri where Katakuri looked like a God. Then Luffy learnt FS and started using Snakeman and then the real battle began. I'm sure as soon as Zoro finds out what King's Achilles' Heel is (like Katakuri's mouth and temper) the fight will make more sense and hopefully quell these silly powerscaling claims.

 

[LadyVados]

Spoiler

Dragon Kaido is his least durable form

Spoiler: 1032

King is in his zoan form too. If Zoan King > Zoan Kaido in durability then Hybrid King > Hybrid Kaido. Furthermore, King said his durability was even more special than a dragon's

 

[AmitDS]

Spoiler: 1032

King is in his zoan form too. If Zoan King > Zoan Kaido in durability then Hybrid King > Hybrid Kaido. Furthermore, King said his durability was even more special than a dragon's

Spoiler

So you're saying with your full chest that King > Kaido?

King Yonkou+ level confirmed guys. He was the lurking legend all along.

 

[albertwv]

Hey guys please dont talk about spoilers of the next chapter just yet. I know you have the spoiler tag on, thats great, but some people dont use the tags when replying to or there is a whole new conversation hidden through spoiler tags.

 

[slavkovski]

The damage that whitebeard took won’t even work on akainu cause akainu was probably tougher at that stage plus his logia fruit

again it’s an agree to disagree thing

But.. Aokiji leave quite a big scar on Akainu though.... or is that mean Aokiji are also stronger than marineford WB?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

But.. Aokiji leave quite a big scar on Akainu though.... or is that mean Aokiji are also stronger than marineford WB?

I meant in regards to all the stab wounds and and explosions
Wouldn’t work because akainu and kizaru and aokiji were logias and there armament haki and coo were more reliable and tougher than that stage whitebeard

 

[albertwv]

But.. Aokiji leave quite a big scar on Akainu though.... or is that mean Aokiji are also stronger than marineford WB?

Well, Zolo left Kaido a big scar, does that mean Zolo is stronger than Luffy?

That is a rhetorical question. No, Zolo is NOT stronger than Luffy.

 

[Fallou]

Spoiler: 1032

Call me crazy, but did the latest chapter just prove that King is more durable than Kaido ?

You're crazy

 

[Shiro33]

what is Zolo ?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Spoiler: 1032

Call me crazy, but did the latest chapter just prove that King is more durable than Kaido ?

You're crazy

As much as I dislike this story telling choice , till the official translation comes out , it’s kinda implied