One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

Post Time Skip, his stamina was low when he tried to save Luffy end of WCI; Sanji didn’t exactly have many battles that arc or challenges to not outrun bullets etc

Current Onigashima Sanji has beat up a few Gifters, got trapped by Black Mariah’s Goons & beat up, went to live floor to fight Queen & King very briefly, fights Queen; then passed out…..others have endured a lot more & produced more before passing out. So in comparison he has lower stamina

But there were tons of enemies everywhere, so it'd be harder for Sanji to run fast and avoid being hit and protect Luffy at the same time. It'd be very difficult for most characters to outrun bullets when surrounded by enemies, unless they're as fast as Kizaru.

Wasn't the Germa body why he passed out? And he passed out after winning, not before confirming Queen went down. He also took tons of damage, bone-crushing damage.

 

[really_jonny]

Category	Luffy (Awakeningless)	Yamato	Zoro	Sanji
Attack Power	9.5	8.5	9.5	6.0
Speed	9	9.5	7.5	10
Tenacity	8	9	7.5	9
Stamina	9.3	8.5	9.5	8
Abilities/Techniques	10	8	8.5	8
Haki (5 points CoC, 5 points CoO/COA	9.5	8.5	8.5	4
Total	55.3	52	51	45

Lack of Haoshoku leaves Sanji way down in AP and Haki

 

[M3J]

When we say attack power, are we considering weapons too or just strength/blunt force?

 

[really_jonny]

When we say attack power, are we considering weapons too or just strength/blunt force?

I consider the power of the strongest techniques, leveled by Haki/ACOC. Before using En-You, Zoro scarred permanent Kaido and was unable to deal high damage to King in Speed Mode (even using ACOC), with En-You, Zoro knocked out King IN HIS DEFENSE MODE in one hit. The difference from Zoro En-You Mode is stark. And obviously an En-You Kyotoryu would be much more powerful than the blow that Zoro defeated King (En-You Santoryu).

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Ehh lack of hakoushu haki doesn’t mean sanji doesn’t have top tier attack power
His germa power significantly boosted his diable jambe and he blue flames in plasma , the hottest flames in the show
Oda has made many ways to skin a cake , DF powers exist and their awakening shifts things
Sanji been genetically modified as well as inhuman power awakening

 

[Nie Li]

I consider the power of the strongest techniques, leveled by Haki/ACOC. Before using En-You, Zoro scarred permanent Kaido and was unable to deal high damage to King in Speed Mode (even using ACOC), with En-You, Zoro knocked out King IN HIS DEFENSE MODE in one hit. The difference from Zoro En-You Mode is stark. And obviously an En-You Kyotoryu would be much more powerful than the blow that Zoro defeated King (En-You Santoryu).

I don't think King was in defense mode when he went down. He used his flames for the dragon magma attack thing.

 

[M3J]

I consider the power of the strongest techniques, leveled by Haki/ACOC. Before using En-You, Zoro scarred permanent Kaido and was unable to deal high damage to King in Speed Mode (even using ACOC), with En-You, Zoro knocked out King IN HIS DEFENSE MODE in one hit. The difference from Zoro En-You Mode is stark. And obviously an En-You Kyotoryu would be much more powerful than the blow that Zoro defeated King (En-You Santoryu).

That's my issue though, stuff like swords will give the users advantage, so it doesn't seem fair to use the strongest technique that involves a sharp object vs. a technique that uses a blunt object, like a sword slash vs. a punch.

 

[XXGenesis]

But there were tons of enemies everywhere, so it'd be harder for Sanji to run fast and avoid being hit and protect Luffy at the same time. It'd be very difficult for most characters to outrun bullets when surrounded by enemies, unless they're as fast as Kizaru.

Wasn't the Germa body why he passed out? And he passed out after winning, not before confirming Queen went down. He also took tons of damage, bone-crushing damage.

Bullets are slow as hell. His stamina is low & not a highlight quality of Sanji’s, to soak up damage and continue on through the arc. Against Oz was his best stamina feats. Timeskip that was a moment Sanji showed low stamina dropped the ball & his family helped him.

I always sense excuses & push back when Sanji is compared to other characters.

The amount of damage Sanji took & what he did as a contribution to deafening the Beast Pirates before passing out.

Lacks in comparison to Law, Kidd, Luffy, Zoro, Yamato. His stamina is less than these characters

He does not match up against these characters there is a notable difference in their ability.

I ranked Zoro 45.5 & Sanji 42.5
They excel in different areas over each other. & Are relatively close in stats.

 

[M3J]

Bullets are slow as hell. His stamina is low & not a highlight quality of Sanji’s, to soak up damage and continue on through the arc. Against Oz was his best stamina feats. Timeskip that was a moment Sanji showed low stamina dropped the ball & his family helped him.

I always sense excuses & push back when Sanji is compared to other characters.

The amount of damage Sanji took & what he did as a contribution to deafening the Beast Pirates before passing out.

Lacks in comparison to Law, Kidd, Luffy, Zoro, Yamato. His stamina is less than these characters

He does not match up against these characters there is a notable difference in their ability.

I ranked Zoro 45.5 & Sanji 42.5
They excel in different areas over each other. & Are relatively close in stats.

Even if bullets are slow, Sanji was clearly distracted by so many things going on, so it's not like he's gonna prioritize sensing everything or be able to do that and dodge. It was him against multiple opponents while protecting Luffy. Also, wasn't he still moving and running? I remember he didn't notice the wound until Chopper was treating him?

That still doesn't make sense because Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy are extremely durable and have huge amount of stamina. He did suffer life-ending damage, even if he was saved because of his Germa genes.

 

[XXGenesis]

Even if bullets are slow, Sanji was clearly distracted by so many things going on, so it's not like he's gonna prioritize sensing everything or be able to do that and dodge. It was him against multiple opponents while protecting Luffy. Also, wasn't he still moving and running? I remember he didn't notice the wound until Chopper was treating him?

That still doesn't make sense because Sanji, Zoro, and Luffy are extremely durable and have huge amount of stamina. He did suffer life-ending damage, even if he was saved because of his Germa genes.

I understand very well what happened. Maybe I’m not articulating my point of view. My issues with the scene wasn’t; Sanji didnt get beat up before nor was he fighting. So I expected Sanji to be much faster and not panting or wheezing; Getting overwhelmed by the Crowd so fast. So I dub Sanji having low stamina oddly not being taxed previously but not being able to endure the important task he took on, that his Germa brother’s had to save him by even carrying him a way to safety.


What doesn’t make sense? Sanji’s stamina doesn’t compare to Kidd’s,Law or Luffy’s stamina??

It doesn’t. All these other characters have fought more battles & received greater injuries, & have continued to fight. While Sanji passed out after his fight with Queen…..Kidd & Laww didn’t pass out after fighting Big Mom…..what’s doesn’t make sense about that?

 

[john ellis]

sanji is just below any captain and first commander of note. That isn't a bad thing. He's primary role isn't a fighter. He is near yc1 tier and that is honestly pretty broken on average. Like marco, kata, king and ben becman are monsters. There are extremely few pirates ever to be able to defeat them and sanji is nearly as strong as them.

 

[slavkovski]

What is this "durability" that you guys mean and why do you guys give Zoro such a low number even below sanji?
And why do you guys give Luffy 10 in Ability & Sanji a 10 in speed? what if you put Law in that rank what number will you give him in ability & speed? cause for me he have the greatest ability & speed due to his DF.. or are those number are relative to only the three of them?

 

[really_jonny]

What is this "durability" that you guys mean and why do you guys give Zoro such a low number even below sanji?
And why do you guys give Luffy 10 in Ability & Sanji a 10 in speed? what if you put Law in that rank what number will you give him in ability & speed? cause for me he have the greatest ability & speed due to his DF.. or are those number are relative to only the three of them?

I separate durability here as the body's ability to take a hit and ignore it. Like that:

I should rename durability to tenacity on my list. Haki protects the body and increases tenacity. Ryou protects even better than Koka (hardening), but I took it as natural tenacity in list.

Skills and techniques, is different from skill. Luffy has Devil Fruit, with infinite attacks, transformations (Gears), many very difficult techniques for the enemy to dodge in sequence attacks, ability to fly, several hits at all distances.

@Lord Traffy Law

Then we would have to consider that the awakening of Sanji's genes increased his strength to the point of surpassing Luffy Gear Fourth with Advanced Busoshoku, which was already strong enough to injure Kaido. Haoshoku Infusion greatly multiplies damage dealt. Ifrit Jambe IMO slightly surpassed Luffy and Zoro's AP before ACOC, but still lags far behind in relation of ACOC usage.

--- Double Post Merged, Mar 27, 2022, Original Post Date: Mar 27, 2022 ---

I don't think King was in defense mode when he went down. He used his flames for the dragon magma attack thing.

Ooh my God, that's true. In every frame that King is in his defense mode, Oda makes a point of showing the fire on his back, when he is in offensive mode the fire disappears, and in his last attack there was no fire on his back.

I will reduce Zoro's AP on my list

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

What is this "durability" that you guys mean and why do you guys give Zoro such a low number even below sanji?
And why do you guys give Luffy 10 in Ability & Sanji a 10 in speed? what if you put Law in that rank what number will you give him in ability & speed? cause for me he have the greatest ability & speed due to his DF.. or are those number are relative to only the three of them?

Zoro isn’t fundamentally hard like sanji is now that his germa genes have activated and luffy got his DF blunt force immunity going now . So out of all them his durability is probably the lowest , his and luffy endurance tho is significantly higher than sanji tho

 

[XXGenesis]

	Kaido	Big Mom	Luffy	Yamato	Zoro	Sanji
Power	9.5	9	9	7.5	8	7
Speed	9	7.5	8.5	8	7.5	8
Durability	9	10	8	7.5	6	7.5
Stamina	10	10	9	8	8	6.5
Skill	9	9	8.5	8	8	7.5
Haki	9.5	9	9	8	7.5	6
Total	56	54.5	50	47	45.5	42.5

 

[really_jonny]

Yamato doesn't have Advanced Kenbunshoku, and could keep up with Kaido equivalently only at sheer speed. She doesn't have Advanced Busoshoku to protect herself from attacks like Luffy (yes, that was explained in Udon), she's an Oni just like Kaido, and is still a Zoan user that strengthens her oni body, being a pure tank.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Yamato doesn't have Advanced Kenbunshoku, and could keep up with Kaido equivalently only at sheer speed. She doesn't have Advanced Busoshoku to protect herself from attacks like Luffy (yes, that was explained in Udon), she's an Oni just like Kaido, and is still a Zoan user that strengthens her oni body, being a pure tank.

shee does advanced armament but not the highest version that luffy has, which can removes exploding cuffs, she can use ryou tho

 

[john ellis]

So Sanji tanked a YC2 hit without taking damage and had better durability then Zoro? Didn’t Zoro briefly survive a combined yonko attack, look it probably would of killed him at some point. But it’s the best feat in terms of defense in the entire series so far.

 

[Crimson Ice]

Post Time Skip, his stamina was low when he tried to save Luffy end of WCI; Sanji didn’t exactly have many battles that arc or challenges to not outrun bullets etc

Current Onigashima Sanji has beat up a few Gifters, got trapped by Black Mariah’s Goons & beat up, went to live floor to fight Queen & King very briefly, fights Queen; then passed out…..others have endured a lot more & produced more before passing out. So in comparison he has lower stamina



Luffy doesn’t have 10 in speed or power .
These stats are more like Gear5 Luffy after this Kaido fight.




This is my focus and purpose for giving numbers to these stats….
They are all close but on different lvs in certain stats and overall

	LUFFY	ZORO	SANJI
Power	9	8	7
Speed	8.5	7	8
Durability	8	6	7.5
Stamina	9	8	6.5
Skill	8.5	8	7.5
Haki	9	7.5	6

I think these numbers match up realitively with the Portryal of the SHP so far during Wano. *not considering G5 yet
Luffy 50
Zoro 45.5
Sanji 42.5

When i do one for Kaido he has 10’s & 9’s comes out to 56.5 which would make sense for someone like Kaido.

Says who? Luffy is the benchmark here. And Luffy is most definitely a 10 in speed PERIOD, snake-man was blitzing someone like Kaido who needed future sight to stop it.

 

[Bandit99]

Post Time Skip, his stamina was low when he tried to save Luffy end of WCI; Sanji didn’t exactly have many battles that arc or challenges to not outrun bullets etc

Current Onigashima Sanji has beat up a few Gifters, got trapped by Black Mariah’s Goons & beat up, went to live floor to fight Queen & King very briefly, fights Queen; then passed out…..others have endured a lot more & produced more before passing out. So in comparison he has lower stamina



Luffy doesn’t have 10 in speed or power .
These stats are more like Gear5 Luffy after this Kaido fight.




This is my focus and purpose for giving numbers to these stats….
They are all close but on different lvs in certain stats and overall

	LUFFY	ZORO	SANJI
Power	9	8	7
Speed	8.5	7	8
Durability	8	6	7.5
Stamina	9	8	6.5
Skill	8.5	8	7.5
Haki	9	7.5	6

I think these numbers match up realitively with the Portryal of the SHP so far during Wano. *not considering G5 yet
Luffy 50
Zoro 45.5
Sanji 42.5

When i do one for Kaido he has 10’s & 9’s comes out to 56.5 which would make sense for someone like Kaido.

Giving zoro a 6 in durability when he’s shown some of the best feats of durability in the entire series is crazy lol. Have you forgotten about thriller bark?
Forget thriller bark lol do you not remember roof piece??