One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[XXGenesis]

Yea power scailing has become guesstimate.

The Top 15 Characters are all on the same level excluding the top 4. The top 4 consist of Pirate King; Worlds Strongest Man; Marine Hero; Xebec;

The other 11 are all Yonkou or Admirals. That’s hard to power scale with so many characters on the same level. Some are bound to win against others due to match up.

Yes Luffy beats current Rayleigh.

 

[grey matter]

Sorry to just jump in randomly, but do you guys think current Luffy beats current Rayleigh? Or current Garp or current Sengoku?

Power levels took an unpredictable turn tbh.

Personally, I think if it had been a 1v1 fight from the beginning between Kaido or BM against any of the 3, Kaido or BM would have won(against any of the 3)

So now we're left to guesstimate. Ehh I suppose that's part of the fun. lol

Old Rayleigh should be very close to Kizaru in power level. He was essentially equal to Kizaru in combat, but was lacking stamina.
I think Luffy would high diff Kizaru, so same applies to Rayleigh too.
I don't think any of the present gen admirals except Akainu can take on Luffy.


We don't know where exactly old Garp stands, though we know prime Whitebeard and prime Garp were pretty much equals. I assume old Garp would be as strong as Old Whitebeard in meds (not the one in Marineford who was off the meds for days). Since Garp is relatively healthy for his age, and what the meds does is basically take away Whitebeard's illness temporarily (meaning, old WB in meds is nerfed only by his old age and not sickness, in the same way old Garp is).
This Whitebeard (in meds) was unanimously considered the strongest pirate, putting him above Kaido, and IMO Kaido is still stronger than Luffy by a small margin.
So, I think old Garp would win this fight, extreme diff.

We know little to nothing about Sengoku, other than that he was pretty strong and was respected by Roger.
I'll go by my own headcanon and say peak Sengoku was as strong as Kaido, and old Sengoku would fall somewhere between Akainu and Kizaru. Luffy wins this extreme diff IMO

 

[Fox666]

If Garp was equal to Roger, then Luffy still can't beat him.

Other than Garp, I think Luffy now has a chance against anyone in the world.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

If Garp was equal to Roger, then Luffy still can't beat him.

Other than Garp, I think Luffy now has a chance against anyone in the world.

Garp is way past his prime though so he's likely losing in an extreme difficulty against current Luffy.

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Sorry to just jump in randomly, but do you guys think current Luffy beats current Rayleigh? Or current Garp or current Sengoku?

Power levels took an unpredictable turn tbh.

Personally, I think if it had been a 1v1 fight from the beginning between Kaido or BM against any of the 3, Kaido or BM would have won(against any of the 3)

So now we're left to guesstimate. Ehh I suppose that's part of the fun. lol

Feel free to jump in randomly. It's what this place is for and considering the long break we are in, it's very much appreciated

 

[SupremeMod]

Old Rayleigh should be very close to Kizaru in power level. He was essentially equal to Kizaru in combat, but was lacking stamina.
I think Luffy would high diff Kizaru, so same applies to Rayleigh too.
I don't think any of the present gen admirals except Akainu can take on Luffy.


We don't know where exactly old Garp stands, though we know prime Whitebeard and prime Garp were pretty much equals. I assume old Garp would be as strong as Old Whitebeard in meds (not the one in Marineford who was off the meds for days). Since Garp is relatively healthy for his age, and what the meds does is basically take away Whitebeard's illness temporarily (meaning, old WB in meds is nerfed only by his old age and not sickness, in the same way old Garp is).
This Whitebeard (in meds) was unanimously considered the strongest pirate, putting him above Kaido, and IMO Kaido is still stronger than Luffy by a small margin.
So, I think old Garp would win this fight, extreme diff.

We know little to nothing about Sengoku, other than that he was pretty strong and was respected by Roger.
I'll go by my own headcanon and say peak Sengoku was as strong as Kaido, and old Sengoku would fall somewhere between Akainu and Kizaru. Luffy wins this extreme diff IMO

I'm not sure if it's ever been proven one way or another, but I think Kizaru could take Akainu. Borsalino just chills. Almost the way Garp turned down promotions. Kind of but not really.

I'm guessing current Garp and current Sengoku could individually both defeat current Rayleigh. Just as they could when they were younger.

I don't think I see Luffy winning against any of them in a true 1v1 fight.

Maybe I'm downplaying G5 Luffy but just like his other gears it's going to take time to control.

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Damn just remembered Dragon. We need some more Dragon in the series tbh.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Damn just remembered Dragon. We need some more Dragon in the series tbh.

Kaido and Momo weren't enough?

 

[Fox666]

Garp is way past his prime though so he's likely losing in an extreme difficulty against current Luffy.

On theory, old people in One Piece world don't become weaker...

 

[aberick]

Garp would lose for luffy 100%, did you guys forget that after enies libby when he chase luffy throwing giant cannon balls he said he lost alot of power in the last years, so ofc he cannot beat someone who is like kaido level, the same for rayleigh, not even akainu can win against him i think, injured/sick whitebeard put akainu in the ground, and if he didnt fall he would have been done for sure.

 

[Holt]

Current Luffy probably outlasts SA Rayleigh. If it was Marineford Garp/Sengoku, I'd still give them the edge over Luffy but just barely. They were old but not ill and still in active service. That's the main difference between them and Rayleigh. Currently, they're retired so I'd give Luffy the win.

 

[kkck]

I would guess that current luffy can at least outlast garp. Though based on his age and his own comments it's probably the case that he is simply not as strong as he was. It is worth noting that for his age garp seems to have aged notoriously well, at least better than WB who was struggling with heart issues before and during the marineford battle. I suppose we haven't seen garp actually put elbow grease into a fight but he at least isn't hooked up to marines and whatnot. Still pretty surprising considering garp is, according to the wiki at least, several years older than WB. Sengoku seems remarkably well preserved as well considering he held back the entire BB pirates. With that in mind its not that hard to imagine both of them being actually a match to yonko back in the day.

 

[XXGenesis]

Prime/Peak Performance Age in the One Piece world IMO ranges from the ages of 30-50.

*Kaido is an exception; He’s 59 & he’s a Oni, his physiology is different from humans. His decline happens much later.
*Our MC’s are mostly in there early 20’s.

Ages 50-70 I believe is where they start to decline. In both strength & stamina. I believe even Big Mom has suffered a decline in power from her earlier days; Her lack of ACoC attacks is weird compared to Kaido’s constant spam;

Garp & Sengoku During Marineford War imo were not stronger than any of the Yonko. But would give them

Current Luffy imo would defeat Garp/Sengoku with Mid diff.

Marineford WB I believe 1 vs 1 Extreme Diffs a Win with any Top tier.

 

[LaGOAT]

Luffy has just enter the top 10 strongest character while zoro has entered top 20

current luffy is beating Admirals he beating old garp and sengoku.

 

[Fox666]

zoro has entered top 20

No

Luffy
Yamato
Law
Kid
5 Emperors
Rocks
Rayleigh
Oden
Shiki
Mihawk
Weevil
5 Admirals
Garp
Sengoku
Kong
Dragon

And these are just characters who are 100% guarantee to be stronger than Zoro. I would argue that Marco is stronger, since he overpowered both King and Queen for a while, but that's just my opinion. Otherwise the list would be much longer.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Luffy
Yamato
Law
Kid
5 Emperors
Rocks
Rayleigh
Oden
Shiki
Mihawk
Weevil
5 Admirals
Garp
Sengoku
Kong
Dragon

I see no one on that list that could be defeated by Law or Kidd or equal to them.
If zoro has nothing to do on that list, so are Law and Kidd.
Actually, with his new power-up Zoro is closest to Luffy than Law and Kidd.
It should be like this Luffy >>Zoro >= Law >= Kidd

 

[Pirate Queen]

I see no one on that list that could be defeated by Law or Kidd or equal to them.
If zoro has nothing to do on that list, so are Law and Kidd.
Actually, with his new power-up Zoro is closest to Luffy than Law and Kidd.
It should be like this Luffy >>Zoro >= Law >= Kidd

Heavily disagree. Both have skills that give devastating advantages over Zoro's fighting style.

I think Zoro is closest to Kidd, but Kidd's magnetism give his the win here.

Luffy>Law>Kidd>Zoro

I don't like ranking Drago but likewise I don't think Kidd or Zoro beling on that list either. Arguments can be made for Law but I see stamina as an issue for him

 

[Core D. Roy]

Heavily disagree. Both have skills that give devastating advantages over Zoro's fighting style.

I think Zoro is closest to Kidd, but Kidd's magnetism give his the win here.

Luffy>Law>Kidd>Zoro

I don't like ranking Drago but likewise I don't think Kidd or Zoro beling on that list either. Arguments can be made for Law but I see stamina as an issue for him

I have Zoro just barely above Kidd and Law for haki reasons. Law and Kidd both have hax devil fruits, but like Kaidou said, haki is the most important thing. Because of their specific abilities, Zoro ain't taking either one of them on a Final Destination 1v1, but overall power goes to Zoro.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I have Zoro just barely above Kidd and Law for haki reasons. Law and Kidd both have hax devil fruits, but like Kaidou said, haki is the most important thing. Because of their specific abilities, Zoro ain't taking either one of them on a Final Destination 1v1, but overall power goes to Zoro.

Attack power? An argument can be made, but overall? Law and Kidd had shit haki and still managed to "BEAT" Big Mom. I personally don't think Zoro's haki is enough which is saying something which how big of an attack boost Advanced CoC is. Of course it was 2 v 1 so maybe my opinions aren't taking that into consideration

And personally I would not be surprised if Zoro managed to overpower Kidd's mangatism if they are shown in a fight but assign is so deadly and even Big Mom and all her Haki Skill was powerless against that so I highly doubt it. Zoro would be fighting with the biggest handicap he ever had.

 

[LaGOAT]

No

Luffy
Yamato
Law
Kid
5 Emperors
Rocks
Rayleigh
Oden
Shiki
Mihawk
Weevil
5 Admirals
Garp
Sengoku
Kong
Dragon

And these are just characters who are 100% guarantee to be stronger than Zoro. I would argue that Marco is stronger, since he overpowered both King and Queen for a while, but that's just my opinion. Otherwise the list would be much longer.

Zoro>=Yamato imo shiki is debateble he is hard to Gauges his power.

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Attack power? An argument can be made, but overall? Law and Kidd had shit haki and still managed to "BEAT" Big Mom. I personally don't think Zoro's haki is enough which is saying something which how big of an attack boost Advanced CoC is. Of course it was 2 v 1 so maybe my opinions aren't taking that into consideration

And personally I would not be surprised if Zoro managed to overpower Kidd's mangatism if they are shown in a fight but assign is so deadly and even Big Mom and all her Haki Skill was powerless against that so I highly doubt it. Zoro would be fighting with the biggest handicap he ever had.

I can give u law but Kidd is debatable

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro>=Yamato imo shiki is debateble he is hard to Gauges his power.

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I can give u law but Kidd is debatable

In which sense?

 

[Core D. Roy]

Attack power? An argument can be made, but overall? Law and Kidd had shit haki and still managed to "BEAT" Big Mom. I personally don't think Zoro's haki is enough which is saying something which how big of an attack boost Advanced CoC is. Of course it was 2 v 1 so maybe my opinions aren't taking that into consideration

And personally I would not be surprised if Zoro managed to overpower Kidd's mangatism if they are shown in a fight but assign is so deadly and even Big Mom and all her Haki Skill was powerless against that so I highly doubt it. Zoro would be fighting with the biggest handicap he ever had.

HEAVY emphasis on the phrase "just barely above". I also judge Zoro a bit higher than where he actually is because of how green he is with CoC and ACoC. It won't take him long to master that and mastery of that definitely puts him a step above (again, not by much, but still).

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Zoro>=Yamato imo shiki is debateble he is hard to Gauges his power.

Endgame Zoro will be higher than Yamato, but currently? I don't really think so quite yet.

Shiki I have divided into Prime and Old, he definitely fell off HARD some time between the glory days and the events of that movie or whatever. Old Shiki from the movie? Zoro probably stomps. Prime Shiki that was peers with all the top dogs back in the day? I seriously doubt it.