One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Pirate Queen]

Luffy himself says his pre-AdCoC attacks were completely useless.

The Kong Gatling was little more than an annoyance to Kaido.

The fact that you're seriously considering that to be the stronger than an AdCoC attack that permanently scarred Kaido is dumbfounding.

I don't even rate it as high as Tatsumaki.

Asura >>>>> Ryou G4 attacks

Too shallow doesn't mean useless

You can't be serious. You must think NOTHING before ACoC damaged Kaido. It's simply not true.

 

[LadyVados]

Too shallow doesn't mean useless

You can't be serious. You must think NOTHING before ACoC damaged Kaido. It's simply not true.

But Asura wasn't too shallow.

None of Luffy's non ACoC attacks significantly damaged Kaido no. They may have stung a little bit but that's it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

But Asura wasn't too shallow.

None of Luffy's non ACoC attacks significantly damaged Kaido no. They may have stung a little bit but that's it.

News flash, Ashura didn't significantly damage Kaido either

 

[LadyVados]

News flash, Ashura didn't significantly damage Kaido either

TIL having a permanent scar and coughing up blood isn't significant damage.

 

[Fox666]

The fact that you're seriously considering that to be the stronger than an AdCoC attack that permanently scarred Kaido is dumbfounding.

It scarred Kaido because it's a blade

However, that doesn't necessarily means it did more damage than a blunt attack

For example, you can be scarred by a scratch from a cat, while throwing a brick on your head may leave no visible mark.....

And I think by this point comparing Zoro's attack on Kaido to a cat scratch is fair

 

[LadyVados]

It scarred Kaido because it's a blade

However, that doesn't necessarily means it did more damage than a blunt attack

For example, you can be scarred by a scratch from a cat, while throwing a brick on your head may leave no visible mark.....

And I think by this point comparing Zoro's attack on Kaido to a cat scratch is fair

What kind of Cat has a scratch that leaves a lifelong scar across your chest ?

(Well I guess any big cat but I digress)

 

[Fox666]

What kind of Cat has a scratch that leaves a lifelong scar across your chest ?

(Well I guess any big cat but I digress)

You mean a mark that is not actually visible?

 

[Pirate Queen]

TIL having a permanent scar and coughing up blood isn't significant damage.

So coughing up blood is YOUR indicator of significant damage?

Here you go

Kaido bleeding from one G3 Red Roc:

But but but... it was too shallow?

 

[LadyVados]

You mean a mark that is not actually visible?

Looks plenty visible to me.

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So coughing up blood is YOUR indicator of significant damage?

Here you go

Kaido bleeding from one G3 Red Roc:

But but but... it was too shallow?

So you're calling Luffy a liar ? Is that how low an opinion you have of Luffy ?

This was in base form so it doesn't count.

Base Kaido was getting seriously wounded by the likes of Kiku.

Kaido's durability comes from his fruit. Kaido without his DF is an ordinary human who can be damaged by fodder level attacks like WB.

Unless you think Red Roc > G4 Barrage.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Looks plenty visible to me.

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So you're calling Luffy a liar ? Is that how low an opinion you have of Luffy ?

This was in base form so it doesn't count.

Base Kaido was getting seriously wounded by the likes of Kiku.

Kaido's durability comes from his fruit. Kaido without his DF is an ordinary human who can be damaged by fodder level attacks like WB.

Unless you think Red Roc > G4 Barrage.

It could be shallow and still do damage how do you not understand such a simle concept?

It was both too shallow, but not as effective as it could have been. Those 2 things are NOT mutually exclusive(do you know what that means?)

YOU made the goal post that signifiganct damage is bleeding from the mouth, when i show you that Luffy made him bleed from the mouth witg 1 hit you proceed to move the goal post further back.

It WaS In BaSe So It DoEsnT CoUnT



I guess that isn't blood because Luffy was in base. So interesting. Everyone eyes must not being working well

 

[LadyVados]

It could be shallow and still do damage how do you not understand such a simle concept?

It was both too shallow, but not as effective as it could have been. Those 2 things are NOT mutually exclusive(do you know what that means?)

YOU made the goal post that signifiganct damage is bleeding from the mouth, when i show you that Luffy made him bleed from the mouth witg 1 hit you proceed to move the goal post further back.

It's embaressing

But Asura was not shallow and was effective.

Luffy did cause significant damage ...to human Kaido.

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It could be shallow and still do damage how do you not understand such a simle concept?

It was both too shallow, but not as effective as it could have been. Those 2 things are NOT mutually exclusive(do you know what that means?)

YOU made the goal post that signifiganct damage is bleeding from the mouth, when i show you that Luffy made him bleed from the mouth witg 1 hit you proceed to move the goal post further back.

It WaS In BaSe So It DoEsnT CoUnT



I guess that isn't blood because Luffy was in base. So interesting. Everyone eyes must not being working well

Frost beat Base Goku therefore he can beat SSB Goku.

That is your level of logic.

Why does Kaido even have a devil fruit if it doesn't make him stronger. Why did he even eat a DF in the first place and lose his ability to swim if human Kaido is exactly equal to Dragon or Hybrid Kaido in strength. It's not like it's some legendary mythical DF os something... oh wait

Luffy you idiot why do you use G5 ? just fight people in Base SMH. Different forms don't increase your power at all.

And you Marco, just wear seastone cuffs all the time. Your DF makes no difference to your power level don't you know.

 

[Pirate Queen]

But Asura was not shallow and was effective.

Luffy did cause significant damage ...to human Kaido.

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Frost beat Base Goku therefore he can beat SSB Goku.

That is your level of logic.

Why does Kaido even have a devil fruit if it doesn't make him stronger. Why did he even eat a DF in the first place and lose his ability to swim if human Kaido is exactly equal to Dragon or Hybrid Kaido in strength. It's not like it's some legendary mythical DF os something... oh wait

Moved the goal posts for Luffy so far you are in completely different source material that have completely different rules of power scaling.

That's stunningly embaressing

 

[LadyVados]

Guys did you know ? Luffy didn't have to use G5 ! He's just as powerful in base.

Baka Luffy, he didn't know that, shortens his lifespan all the time using silly gears that have no effect on his power level.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Guys did you know ? Luffy didn't have to use G5 ! He's just as powerful in base.

Baka Luffy, he didn't know that, shortens his lifespan all the time using silly gears that have no effect on his power level.

Nice strawman

 

[LadyVados]

Nice strawman

Isn't that literally exactly what you're saying ?

It WaS In BaSe So It DoEsnT CoUnT

that base Kaido is equal to hybrid Kaido and his DF doesn't affect his durability at all ?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Isn't that literally exactly what you're saying ?

No, not at all. And you should feel bad for not understanding such a simple explanation.

It is not rocket science.

 

[LadyVados]

No, not at all. And you should feel bad for not understanding such a simple explanation.

It is not rocket science.

Ok, I have devoted too much brainpower to trying to understand your insane ramblings. I'm signing off for today.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Luffy made Kaido bleed. Per YOUR standards that is signifiganct damage.

The fact that you think that comment is " insane ramblings" is so funny when it is your argument.

Bye bye

 

[LadyVados]

Luffy made Kaido bleed. Per YOUR standards that is signifiganct damage.

Yes he did do significant damage to BASE Kaido

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The moment kaido compared preACOC to potentially being like his top 4 of oden roger WB and rocks, luffy damage was significant, he was dodging his attacks too
Luffy was doing work