One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[kkck]

I think people give lucci too much credit... YC1? As in, lucci being in the ballpark of marco, katakuri, king or beckman? Setting aside that even among them there probably is a meaningful difference in power, these are the top people in the pirating world outside of the yonko. Lucci is no doubt a fighting machine but he doesn't have plot armor or plot induced growth like the strawhats or even kidd or law do. 2 years ago lucci was not even a haki user and was nearing his 30s. Lucci IMO makes more sense somewhat above smoker, if that.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think people give lucci too much credit... YC1? As in, lucci being in the ballpark of marco, katakuri, king or beckman? Setting aside that even among them there probably is a meaningful difference in power, these are the top people in the pirating world outside of the yonko. Lucci is no doubt a fighting machine but he doesn't have plot armor or plot induced growth like the strawhats or even kidd or law do. 2 years ago lucci was not even a haki user and was nearing his 30s. Lucci IMO makes more sense somewhat above smoker, if that.

How truly sad if CP Ageis 0 best fighter was a Vice Captain level fighter

 

[kkck]

How truly sad if CP Ageis 0 best fighter was a Vice Captain level fighter

We don't know if lucci is CP0's best fighter. It shouldn't be that big a stretch that they have stronger fighters anyways. Also... vice captain?

 

[Fox666]

We don't know if lucci is CP0's best fighter. It shouldn't be that big a stretch that they have stronger fighters anyways. Also... vice captain?

Vice-captain = VC1

But I agree there may be a stronger CP0 agent... possible Admiral level?

 

[Pirate Queen]

We don't know if lucci is CP0's best fighter. It shouldn't be that big a stretch that they have stronger fighters anyways. Also... vice captain?

Vice Admiral lol, I've been rewatching Bleach

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Vice Admiral lol, I've been rewatching Bleach

Hm the gap in power between a Commander and a Yonko seems smaller than the gap between Vice Captain and Captain, but maybe that's a personal bias.

 

[Nie Li]

Hm the gap in power between a Commander and a Yonko seems smaller than the gap between Vice Captain and Captain, but maybe that's a personal bias.

Leaving out the exceptional VC's I agree on the rest.

 

[kkck]

Vice Admiral lol, I've been rewatching Bleach

Ah, that makes sense. The VA category covers quite a few strength tiers. On one hand you have vice admirals that seems just unremarkable in general. Like good old maynard who lost to barto without putting up much of a fight. And sure, barto is an ok fighter but he isn't extraordinary. On the other end you have the folk whom oda made the point were considered for the admiral spots that opened up after the war. Lucci falling in the vice admiral category is almost a given though it doesn't help to narrow down his strength.

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Vice-captain = VC1

But I agree there may be a stronger CP0 agent... possible Admiral level?

I am inclined to thinking the world government probably doesn't have secret admiral level folk in reserve at this point tbh. Besides, the world nobles already command admirals.

 

[Fox666]

I am inclined to thinking the world government probably doesn't have secret admiral level folk in reserve at this point tbh. Besides, the world nobles already command admirals.

Wasn't Kong a case like that?

 

[Nie Li]

Wasn't Kong a case like that?

Yes, but I'd call him an exception, he's quite literally Akainu's current boss.

 

[grey matter]

I think people give lucci too much credit... YC1? As in, lucci being in the ballpark of marco, katakuri, king or beckman? Setting aside that even among them there probably is a meaningful difference in power, these are the top people in the pirating world outside of the yonko. Lucci is no doubt a fighting machine but he doesn't have plot armor or plot induced growth like the strawhats or even kidd or law do. 2 years ago lucci was not even a haki user and was nearing his 30s. Lucci IMO makes more sense somewhat above smoker, if that.

Kid, Law and Lucci are around same age IIRC. If they could grow, so could Lucci.
But yes, the key factor here is plot.

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Vice-captain = VC1

But I agree there may be a stronger CP0 agent... possible Admiral level?

I think at least one Gorosei will be admiral/Yonko level. A small chance that even all of them.

But as far as CP0, I think Lucci is the best they've got.

Spoiler

Don't think he's weak now, after latest spoilers came out

 

[Nie Li]

Kid, Law and Lucci are around same age IIRC. If they could grow, so could Lucci.

He's just 2 years older than Law and people are treating him as if he was an old man.

Which, now that I think about it, feels bad since I'm a year older than Lucci.

 

[kkck]

He's just 2 years older than Law and people are treating him as if he was an old man.

Which, now that I think about it, feels bad since I'm a year older than Lucci.

Lucci is 30, law is 26, kidd is 23. At their age lucci was literally fodder.

 

[Nie Li]

Lucci is 30, law is 26, kidd is 23. At their age lucci was literally fodder.

So it's a 4 years difference and not two? That doesn't really change anything.

He was fodder at their age, but so what? If we go that route, Law was fodder at Kid's age, and they're 3 years apart themselves.

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And let's entirely avoid talking about how strong the three of them were at Luffy's age.

It's not an important detail.

 

[albertwv]

Age is really irrelevant in OP. Age and progress. Like obviously Luffy and the rest of the crew have an amazingly progress at such young age. To think that Luffy became East Blue level to NW Yonko level in 2 years is crazy. While we have other characters training all their lives and can't reach that. So its pointless to compare ages.
Also it is reasonable to believe that after a certain point in their lives, OP characters DO NOT become any stronger. Usually, not all the time.
Adding to that, in Shonen Manga, usually after the MC defeats a villain, that villain doesn't return to the plot stronger. Usually that villain has reached their prime and no longer become relevant. So when they do come back, either they're treated as garbage or they have become stronger due to plot purpose.

I don't see why some characters like the already established Warlords or Yonko or Admirals would become any stronger.
Crocodile became the exception and that is known already in this thread, so it is pointless to keep bringing up Crocodile as an example.
I am firm believer that Akainu has NOT received a power up since becoming Fleet Admiral.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Ya'll are dead wrong about Sentomaru veating Luffy in a 1v1 pretimeskip

Sentomaru fought a non 100% Luffy, first of all. Secondly, Monsterpoint Chopper had Sentomaru shook. Sentomaru had to switch from defending with haki to outright rolling and dodging Chopper because he couldn't handle monstrous strength. Unless you want to say Luffy G3 is weaker than monster point Chopper, which is laughable

Luffy would have beat him with Gear 3 clean, if fully healthy. Sentomaru wasn't even fighting Luffy in G2.

Sentmaru only looks good against Luffy because he benifeted from Luffy struggling about the safely of his entire crew under the attack of Px units, seemingly a shichibukai, an Admiral, and Sentomaru

 

[grey matter]

Rob Wucci. Saved!!

Lucci is 30, law is 26, kidd is 23. At their age lucci was literally fodder.

Was he though? He stagnated for 5 years during their age due to being undercover, so he barely grew.
He was 23 when he went undercover.

Was he stronger than Law was at 23? Likely yes.

 

[Fox666]

Unless you want to say Luffy G3 is weaker than monster point Chopper, which is laughable

But what's that based on?

We don't have any good measuring standard for Monster Point

Chopper was one-shot by Luffy post-timeskip, but Luffy did the same for a Pacifista

Edit:

Actually Luffy used Gear 3 against Monster Point, which implies it's stronger than a Pacifista:

Also it got some crazy strength and speed for pre-timeskip standards:

 

[Rein Avara]

Also it got some crazy strength and speed for pre-timeskip standards:

Your evidence is a reference to PH no?

 

[kkck]

Luffy through the new world has been able to hold his ground against people like katakuri or kaido in his base form. Chopper having the capacity to defeat the first iteration of pacifista is by no means a stretch but that's not really much of a benchmark at all. First generation Pacifista seem to be effective not for their ability to defeat executive types in single combat but rather for their resilience, numbers and ability to fire lasers. It's pretty damn unlikely that monster point chopper can hold out against base luffy after WCI or wano.