You mean when he expands his body with haki? Because otherwise without haki, he'd get cut by the strings, and I think Luffy himself said this while breaking out of the string binds in Gear 4.
Yes, of course with haki.
But point anyway was that no expansion = Luffy is stuck in strings. His "combat stats" (such as attack power, speed, CQC, haki etc) isn't helping him here, what helps him here is that he can expand/contract his body.
Even someone with massive brute strength like Jozu (there are only a handful of characters with more brute strength than Jozu) couldn't free himself from the strings. Because the point of tying you up is to exponentially restrict the strength you can assert.
To break free from Doffy's strings, you need one of the following:
- ability to change body shape- logia, zoan and certain paramecia can do this. Logia can just move around. For zoan and paramecia, you need good haki to protect yourself while you expand
- ability to use "barrier" haki. Advanced conqueror's would be more than sufficient because the barrier size is huge. Advanced armament might be enough, but not sure. Advanced armament with internal destruction would easily do the trick by breaking the string itself
TBH I don't think there's that big a difference between kaido and big mom. Big mom never had old age attacks like WB, old age definitely did not catch up to her. Add to that her impossibly versatile fruit, ridiculous range of powers and the fact that she can use her own lifespawn to heal herself. I give kaido an edge but not that big an edge...
I don't think the situation is that sanji can't damage king. He definitely can't damage king while in defense mode but sanji has shown he is absurdly fast, he probably can keep up with attack mode king better than zoro did. That said, his ifrit jambe probably won't cut in, in the end he will only have his physical prowess to cause damage.
I don't think marco hits harder than zoro but he probably doesn't need to to actually injure a yonko. Zoro is in a weird spot power wise as his power is still limited by his... stamina if you will. Marco is more balanced so to speak. He can simply go full power without issues.
Hmm, if the implication so far is that WB's commanders were ahead of other yonko's commanders then I wouldn't put sanji ahead of jozu or vista. Sanji just barely won against queen and the implication at this point is that queen doesn't stance a chance against an admiral. Meanwhile jozu at least put up more than a decent fight against kizaru and sanji just barely won against queen.
I didn't say BM was nerfed by old age though, she's some kind of mutant who is apparently immune from that. My stance is simply accounting for both feats and portrayal of both characters
Based on portrayal, it would be an extreme diff for Kaido.
Based on feats, it's a high diff at worst. Feats vise she has conqueror's haki, physical strength and durability relative to Kaido. But she is lagging behind considerably in CQC, mobility and she lacks future sight. Doesn't have any "blitz" attacks.
Even if some of it can be chalked up to limitations of Oda as a writer, having future sight vs not, having blitz attack vs not.......cannot simply be attributed to Oda's limitations.
Accounting for both portrayal and feats, I say Kaido high-extreme diff BM.
BM vs Luffy can be debatable, I agree. Because G4 and G5 have limitations, while G2/G3 is surely not enough for BM.
Sanji post powerup got tagged by Queen multiple times, who is much below defence mode King in both CQC and mobility. Let's not forget that defence mode King had CQC comparable to Zoro, and mobility superior to Zoro. He would have no problem keeping up with Sanji in his defence mode.
Only Sanji's "super speed" mode would need King to use his own speed mode to keep up, I would agree. But the issue is, Sanji's super speed mode tires him out incredibly fast and he can't maintain it for long duration. King can simply choose to remain in his defence mode and wait it out, he can even allow Sanji free hits and explode himself.
Current Sanji vs King would be a repeat of pre advanced conqueror's Zoro vs King.
Me pointing out Marco's attack power being below Zoro was just to address the "Marco damaged King" thing. That was probably DF shinanigans, or just Oda being inconsistent. Anyway, we are on the same page here, so no issues.
Zoro is limited in stamina only when he's in his "KoH" mode. Zoro showed no signs of stamina issues in rooftop. The question is, would Zoro using only advanced armament + matchup advantage due to ability to cut fire......be enough to defeat Marco? Zoro with just advanced armament had enough attack power to threaten Kaido and deal damage to him.
Marco has better mobility than Zoro, as well as better CQC than Zoro (since Marco was overwhelming both King and Queen in combat, while Zoro and King were relative in CQC). Marco is also amongst the most durable characters in the verse.
While Zoro has higher attack power (even with just advanced armament), and better haki in general. Can also pull up KoH when at the finale of the battle.
If we start fresh, IMO current Sanji would mid-high diff Queen.
Regarding King/Queen vs admiral, they were obviously not in their best shape, being thrown in prison without any medical care and missing limbs. Also to be noted is that GB was the worst matchup for King/Queen, since he basically negates their greatest strength - their durability, because his plants bypass tankiness and suck.
I think King at least would've put up a decent fight against an admiral if he was at his peak condition.
Queen however probably gets stomped regardless, because the implication of Queen vs nerfed BM was pretty revealing. O-Lin easily handled Queen and threw him away.
Sanji >= Jozu/Vista/Ace is reasonable IMO. Same tier anyway, so doesn't matter much.
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