One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[john ellis]

I assume that attacks with Haki still hurt Luffy, but he doesn't show any damage because he's already at a level which he can tanks attacks from Kaido

Kizaru did cut Luffy's cheek, so I guess that's proof he's not invulnerable?

Idk he was shrugging off any attack kizaru or kaido hit him with in g5, did kizaru cut luffies body in g4 or g5? I certainly think kizaru can damage g4 luffy. And anway a cheek cut is the lowest form of damage you can deal the 9RS cut kaido multiple times that results in basically 0 damage

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@Fox666 @Pirate Queen so vivi needs more story revelence in the final arc, I think she will unlock conquer’s, a descent of the 20 kings, a member of the D. Clan and a rightful ruler are all good traits for one having coc

 

[Pirate Queen]

Lucci vs Katakui would be interesting

 

[catagon87]

There's now a rule against talking about that

Trolls live by the mantra that rules are meant to be broken.

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Lucci vs Katakui would be interesting

Based on how Oda handles breaks in time with characters (and especially villains), it wouldn't be surprising if Katakuri is super strong now.
Crocodile went from losing to pre-haki Luffy to dancing around Marineford.
Lucci went from defeated by pre-TS Luffy to fighting post-TS Zoro.
Buggy went from East Blue terror to Yonko.

 

[Fox666]

Lucci seems to be around the level of a Yonko 1st Commander, but as catagon87 said, next time Karakuri appears he will be much stronger than before

 

[kkck]

I suppose i can buy karakuri being stronger than before but it sounds a bit questionable that he could fill the gap left by big mom. From a plot perspective that'd be another functional yonko crew at play. I am going to guess that chaos at home will keep big moms crew mostly busy though.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I suppose i can buy karakuri being stronger than before but it sounds a bit questionable that he could fill the gap left by big mom. From a plot perspective that'd be another functional yonko crew at play. I am going to guess that chaos at home will keep big moms crew mostly busy though.

No way, not with their sister being kidnapped. I 100% expect the Big Mom Pirates to be at play at some point in the near future

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Trolls live by the mantra that rules are meant to be broken.

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Based on how Oda handles breaks in time with characters (and especially villains), it wouldn't be surprising if Katakuri is super strong now.
Crocodile went from losing to pre-haki Luffy to dancing around Marineford.
Lucci went from defeated by pre-TS Luffy to fighting post-TS Zoro.
Buggy went from East Blue terror to Yonko.

simply the stigma of a character of equal levels being perceived weaker because they were introduced first.

There is 0 reason why Katakuri and is considered far weaker than King when on paper Katakuri is the much more developed fighter but because King was introduced further into the story it give the appearance that Katakuri is somehow weaker, which is laughable in my opinion.

 

[BlackTiger]

Lucci seems to be around the level of a Yonko 1st Commander, but as catagon87 said, next time Karakuri appears he will be much stronger than before

He doesn't need to.

Dressrosa Luffy already bullied Fujitora.
Crocodile someone comparable to Doflamingo who is much weaker than Katakuri was compared to Mihawk.
Crocodile someone comparable to Doflamingo without haki clashed with Mihawk while Marco needed haki to clash with someone inferior.
Doflamingo broke free from AOkiji ice while Jozu got neg diffed.
Snakeman humiliated Kaido.
Snakeman level Katakuri (non advCoC and advCoA) forced Kizaru to his max speed something Rayleigh can't do in his dream.

People weaker than Katakuri already have good feats against top tier.

Zoro and Sanji are the ones who need speed boost and FS to beat him.

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I suppose i can buy karakuri being stronger than before but it sounds a bit questionable that he could fill the gap left by big mom. From a plot perspective that'd be another functional yonko crew at play. I am going to guess that chaos at home will keep big moms crew mostly busy though.

WCI Snakeman beats KOH Zoro.

WCI Snakeman can use his haki for 30 minutes. KOH Zoro can only use haki for 5 minutes.

5 minutes into the fight, KOH Zoro cannot land a single hit on Snakeman and will get blitzed left and right. WCI Snakeman has more 25 minutes to murder KOH Zoro.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

No way, not with their sister being kidnapped. I 100% expect the Big Mom Pirates to be at play at some point in the near future

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simply the stigma of a character of equal levels being perceived weaker because they were introduced first.

There is 0 reason why Katakuri and is considered far weaker than King when on paper Katakuri is the much more developed fighter but because King was introduced further into the story it give the appearance that Katakuri is somehow weaker, which is laughable in my opinion.

Katakuri is definitely not weaker than King. They just have different fighting styles is all but from a pure skill stand point Katakuri seems better to me. King's sole advantage comes from being a Lunarian but there are limits to those powers. In a 1v1 between him and Katakuri I'd say it would come down to endurance. Between their two fighting styles I prefer Katakuri since he has more versatility.

Now on your question of Lucci v Katakuri, I think I'd give the edge to Lucci. I think my main reasons are - Lucci has higher durability due to his mastered zoan and his speed when awakened was really high which I think can be his counter to Katakuris FS (similar to Snakeman since FS can only do so much if you just aren't able to dodge the attack). Would be interesting to see this match up, especially if both of them have gotten stronger due to the tough fights they'd recently had.

 

[BlackTiger]

Katakuri is definitely not weaker than King. They just have different fighting styles is all but from a pure skill stand point Katakuri seems better to me. King's sole advantage comes from being a Lunarian but there are limits to those powers. In a 1v1 between him and Katakuri I'd say it would come down to endurance. Between their two fighting styles I prefer Katakuri since he has more versatility.

Now on your question of Lucci v Katakuri, I think I'd give the edge to Lucci. I think my main reasons are - Lucci has higher durability due to his mastered zoan and his speed when awakened was really high which I think can be his counter to Katakuris FS (similar to Snakeman since FS can only do so much if you just aren't able to dodge the attack). Would be interesting to see this match up, especially if both of them have gotten stronger due to the tough fights they'd recently had.

Is there any evidence that Lucci can tank Katakuri punches for 10 hours straight? Lucci has no better endurance feat than WCI Luffy. 3 CoA Gear 5 punches knocked him out.

Not to mention he is much slower than Gear 5 too which means he is even much slower than Snakeman a faster form.

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his speed when awakened was really high

What speed feat? He got blitzed by Gear 5 who got blitzed by Kaido who got blitzed by Snakeman.

I'd say Apoo has much better endurance feat than Lucci.

1 attack from Zoro knocked him out.

Apoo took attacks from not only Zoro but he also took an attack from Kidd and later from CP0 and he still kept going strong.

 

[kkck]

If it comes down to endurance then king would have a massive advantage over katakuri. Lunarians have a very potent defense mode which makes them very close to invulnerable and on top of that king has a ancient zoan, a type that is particularly noteworthy for boosting the endurance and recovery of the user. It takes at least yonko level attacks to injure king while in defense mode. Which is not something katakuri was capable of back in WCI. In attack mode of course king takes the normal amount of damage while maintaining his normal ancient zoan durability. Obviously there's more to battles but if a non yonko battle comes down to durability then king is, welp, king.

 

[BlackTiger]

If it comes down to endurance then king would have a massive advantage over katakuri. Lunarians have a very potent defense mode which makes them very close to invulnerable and on top of that king has a ancient zoan, a type that is particularly noteworthy for boosting the endurance and recovery of the user. It takes at least yonko level attacks to injure king while in defense mode. Which is not something katakuri was capable of back in WCI. In attack mode of course king takes the normal amount of damage while maintaining his normal ancient zoan durability. Obviously there's more to battles but if a non yonko battle comes down to durability then king is, welp, king.

And it took Snakeman that blitzed the hell out of a yonko Kaido and forced the fastest man alive to get even faster to hit Katakuri which is not something even Zoro who blitzed King was capable of even in Elbaf welp. Either Katakuri or King low diffs Marco though

 

[DeadlyBeast]

If it comes down to endurance then king would have a massive advantage over katakuri. Lunarians have a very potent defense mode which makes them very close to invulnerable and on top of that king has a ancient zoan, a type that is particularly noteworthy for boosting the endurance and recovery of the user. It takes at least yonko level attacks to injure king while in defense mode. Which is not something katakuri was capable of back in WCI. In attack mode of course king takes the normal amount of damage while maintaining his normal ancient zoan durability. Obviously there's more to battles but if a non yonko battle comes down to durability then king is, welp, king.

I do give King the durability advantage but I think I'd give Lucci the endurance advantage since he is also a zoan but unlike King, Lucci is awakened making his mastery of his DF far better. The defense mode is a big wall that Lucci cannot directly overcome but that leaves King to have to always defend to avoid being damaged during an attempted attack. For me if King ever goes on the offensive he's more likely to lose, and if he stays only defending than it comes down to endurance (in the stamina sense of just fatigue) which I'd give to Lucci (for me awakened zoan endurance is better than standard ancient zoan).

 

[BlackTiger]

I do give King the durability advantage but I think I'd give Lucci the endurance advantage since he is also a zoan but unlike King, Lucci is awakened making his mastery of his DF far better. The defense mode is a big wall that Lucci cannot directly overcome but that leaves King to have to always defend to avoid being damaged during an attempted attack. For me if King ever goes on the offensive he's more likely to lose, and if he stays only defending than it comes down to endurance (in the stamina sense of just fatigue) which I'd give to Lucci (for me awakened zoan endurance is better than standard ancient zoan).

Apoo tanked Shi Shi Son Son, Punk Slam, Cp0 attacks and did not get knocked out.

1 attack from Zoro knocked out Lucci.

There's 0 evidence that Lucci is an endurance beast just because he is an awakened zoan.

That's like saying Jinbe should be stronger than Roger because Jinbe is a fishman while Roger is a human.

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@DeadlyBeast

KOH Zoro gets curbstomped by Katakuri

 

[Pirate Queen]

Apoo tanked Shi Shi Son Son, Punk Slam, Cp0 attacks and did not get knocked out.

1 attack from Zoro knocked out Lucci.

There's 0 evidence that Lucci is an endurance beast just because he is an awakened zoan.

That's like saying Jinbe should be stronger than Roger because Jinbe is a fishman while Roger is a human.

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@DeadlyBeast

KOH Zoro gets curbstomped by Katakuri

like always you ignore so much context

 

[BlackTiger]

like always you ignore so much context

Nothing to ignore because in both cases, the context is both Lucci and Apoo took Zoro attack. Only 1 guy standing and it's Apoo. Lucci got knocked out.

 

[kkck]

I do give King the durability advantage but I think I'd give Lucci the endurance advantage since he is also a zoan but unlike King, Lucci is awakened making his mastery of his DF far better. The defense mode is a big wall that Lucci cannot directly overcome but that leaves King to have to always defend to avoid being damaged during an attempted attack. For me if King ever goes on the offensive he's more likely to lose, and if he stays only defending than it comes down to endurance (in the stamina sense of just fatigue) which I'd give to Lucci (for me awakened zoan endurance is better than standard ancient zoan).

Oh, lucci is IMO definitely stronger than king/katakuri. Kaido and big mom can as far as we can tell one shot their executives. My comment was more on katakuri vs king, a match which IMO is far closer than people seem to think.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Oh, lucci is IMO definitely stronger than king/katakuri. Kaido and big mom can as far as we can tell one shot their executives. My comment was more on katakuri vs king, a match which IMO is far closer than people seem to think.

Ah my bad, I misread. Yes in the King v Katakuri it is a close toss up and does come down to endurance, which like you mentioned King has the advantage. At that point it comes down to who is more determined to win and can also fight a bit more strategically. Both of them seem to be level headed fighters so would be interesting to watch.

 

[catagon87]

like always you ignore so much context

This is funnier when he's having a conversation with himself as every member he keeps quoting is outright ignoring him.

 

[Pirate Queen]

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@Pirate Queen
You are still Nik punching bag btw. Nothing is worse than that.

Sir, this is a Wendy's

 

[BlackTiger]

What?