One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[DeadlyBeast]

The fandom had to suffer Kidd because his fan base consistently pushed the narrative that Kid=Luffy for YEARS so I think the overall downplay is a result of that in part. No one was really arguing Law>Luffy. there were some, but not many

Pretty much this. A lot of folk thought Kid would be Luffy's rival in the way that WB and Shiki were Roger's rivals. But the truth is he is going to stay a tier below Luffy and never be direct competition. I do think Oda is partly to blame for this though since he set Kid up to be that character but never followed through with it.

Also agree with @HereNThere that Kid never got enough screen time to show him doing well consistently. We've unfortunately seen him get beat more than win, which hurts his portrayal. Especially considering how much he boasts thinks highly of himself, the contrast just makes him look a fool.

 

[kkck]

In hindsight it's clearly a shame that luffy never developed a more significant rivalry with any of the crews he has met. At this point in time any crew that could have worked as a rival has been vastly outclassed. Obviously kidd and law don't stand a chance against luffy... and their crews don't carry anything near the weight of a yonko crew. Meanwhile zoro is on the path to yonko level, sanji's mutations have made him a physics bending monster, jinbe has worldwide renown for a reason and at least robin and franky have managed wins over yonko executives. The crew is a bit top heavy strength wise but it checks out as a proper yonko crew.

In practice luffy's rivals as far as the story goes are his fellow yonko. I suppose that following wano kid and law had the status to be rivals to luffy but that clearly didn't last. Outside of that as a rival to luffy we also have koby who has clearly grown to be a monster as well. Though he looks like someone that is likely to turn on the WG when it matters.

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Luffy's one and true rival is Blackbeard, which is the one that Oda always had in mind. They go way back and Oda developed their rivalry well. Just would have been nice to have made them frenemies to start beyond the pie v meat moment.

 

[WILDCARD 1 7]

Luffy's one and true rival is Blackbeard, which is the one that Oda always had in mind. They go way back and Oda developed their rivalry well. Just would have been nice to have made them frenemies to start beyond the pie v meat moment.

Well Oda does like for history repeat itself, so Oda might have these two fight Imu together like what happened at GV. Roger and Xebec really didn't officially team up so much as they just both wanted to fight a Satern possessed Imu and it happened to be at the exact same time place. So he could do that with Luffy and BB.

 

[XXGenesis]

Alright let’s kick this off. Give me your Top 30. Confirmed Alive characters only..Meaning No Garp, Big Mom, or Kaido.

1)IMU
2)Mihawk
3)Shanks
4)Warcury
5)Luffy
6)Akainu
7)Garling
8)Ju Peter
9)Nusjuro
10)Marcus mars
11)Loki
12)Dragon
13)Blackbeard
14)Kizaru
15)Akoji
16)Fujitora
17)Shamrock
18)Rayleigh
19)Gabban
20)Greenbull
21)Ben Beckmann
22)Sengoku
23)Zoro
24)Law
25)Kidd
26)Yamato
27)Yassop
28)Magellan*
29)Marco
30)Katakuri

Honorable mentions…Boa Hancock, King, Sanji, Crocodile….Im Braving it finally putting Magellan on my list, I Honestly believe he belongs there. & I’m not brave enough sry @Pirate Queen, to put Boa above him, I personally believe due to her haxx, just like Magellan is just that’s strong.

Shamrock imo should be stronger than the Old man, possibly equal to the admirals, I think it’s best to be reserved.

Yassop idk, but that’s where I got the dude.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Alright let’s kick this off. Give me your Top 30. Confirmed Alive characters only..Meaning No Garp, Big Mom, or Kaido.

1)IMU
2)Mihawk
3)Shanks
4)Warcury
5)Luffy
6)Akainu
7)Garling
8)Ju Peter
9)Nusjuro
10)Marcus mars
11)Loki
12)Dragon
13)Blackbeard
14)Kizaru
15)Akoji
16)Fujitora
17)Shamrock
18)Rayleigh
19)Gabban
20)Greenbull
21)Ben Beckmann
22)Sengoku
23)Zoro
24)Law
25)Kidd
26)Yamato
27)Yassop
28)Magellan*
29)Marco
30)Katakuri

Honorable mentions…Boa Hancock, King, Sanji, Crocodile….Im Braving it finally putting Magellan on my list, I Honestly believe he belongs there. & I’m not brave enough sry @Pirate Queen, to put Boa above him, I personally believe due to her haxx, just like Magellan is just that’s strong.

Shamrock imo should be stronger than the Old man, possibly equal to the admirals, I think it’s best to be reserved.

Yassop idk, but that’s where I got the dude.

I have a top 10 but I'll put together a top 30 after work!

 

[DeadlyBeast]

Well Oda does like for history repeat itself, so Oda might have these two fight Imu together like what happened at GV. Roger and Xebec really didn't officially team up so much as they just both wanted to fight a Satern possessed Imu and it happened to be at the exact same time place. So he could do that with Luffy and BB.

I agree they won't be friends but will fight on the same side by both having the same enemy kind of thing. I just think it would have been nice prior to the end game of the story if BB and Luffy had a more friendly rivalry where they faced each other in different ways (not always direct battle). Then the frenemy turns to full rival/enemies following BB and Ace storyline leading us to where we are in the story now.

Up to this point Luffy has not had a continual rival that is actually significant. He has an enemy/rival for a given arc and then he wins and moves on. Now the WG is slowly becoming that multiarc continual enemy with the Gods Knights and Imu but would have been cool to get more than just BB on the pirate side.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Im drunk, let me know if I missed someone important (im excluding Dragon- head canon says he would be above Mihawk and everyone else wpuld be shifted down 1 spot u til the last is knocked off)

1. Shanks
2. Akainu
3.Mihawk
4.Shamrock
5.Luffy
6.Aokiji
7.Kizaru
8.Blackbeard
9. Fujitora
10. Ryokugyu
11. Garling
12.-15. Gorosei
16. Beckman
17. Yamato
18. Law
19. Hancock
20. - 22. Rayleigh/Gaban/Sengoku
23. - 25. Zoro/Sanji/Sabo
26. Holy Knights
27. Katakuri
28. Marco
29. King
30. Mallegan

 

[Core D. Roy]

Pretty much this. A lot of folk thought Kid would be Luffy's rival in the way that WB and Shiki were Roger's rivals. But the truth is he is going to stay a tier below Luffy and never be direct competition. I do think Oda is partly to blame for this though since he set Kid up to be that character but never followed through with it.

Also agree with @HereNThere that Kid never got enough screen time to show him doing well consistently. We've unfortunately seen him get beat more than win, which hurts his portrayal. Especially considering how much he boasts thinks highly of himself, the contrast just makes him look a fool.

I choose to imagine that Kidd had an awesome adventure and there was just never time to show it. He's like Luigi in Paper Mario: TTYD. I don't think Oda hated him or anything, but the cast was already just so overstuffed that his constant L's contrasted with his personality comes across as insulting to the poor bastard

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never thought to only consider the living/available characters, list on the right

 

[Pirate Queen]

I choose to imagine that Kidd had an awesome adventure and there was just never time to show it. He's like Luigi in Paper Mario: TTYD. I don't think Oda hated him or anything, but the cast was already just so overstuffed that his constant L's contrasted with his personality comes across as insulting to the poor bastard

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never thought to only consider the living/available characters, list on the right

Im glad we moved a "Storgest list to avoid powerscaling ruining the point of the thread but now yhat its here....

How the heck do you have BB at current #2 His fight with law was high diff and he had every advantage

Wait, as im writing this its clear I do t understand how to read your charting system

 

[Core D. Roy]

Im glad we moved a "Storgest list to avoid powerscaling ruining the point of the thread but now yhat its here....

How the heck do you have BB at current #2 His fight with law was high diff and he had every advantage

Wait, as im writing this its clear I do t understand how to read your charting system

Because he's the final villain with two of the strongest devil fruits the heaviest narrative parallel to the main character? I'm biased heavily for Blackbeard but like, c'mon. He's clearly The Guy.

Okay I just re-read it just to make absolute sure, but that was a hilariously low-diff fight. It's contrasted next to Kidd's even worse beating but also you may be confusing the anime gassing up Law for what actually happened in the manga: Blackbeard got wounded a bit from Law before absolutely wrecking his shit. The move that broke several of Big Mom's bones barely seemed to wound Blackbeard, desipte the fact his logia makes him inversely vulnerable to damage. That is insane.

I mean it's not complicated- people in the same rows typically have parity, and in a broader sense people with the same color/tier letter. My table is more about comparing the factions to each other, and not splitting hairs about individual 1v1s. Hence why my "list" isn't so much a list as it is a bunch of groups blobbed together. Added some numbers to the list for clarity (lol).

Oh ya btw the three asterisks *** is to denote EOS (end of series) so those are just educated predictions.

Two asterisks ** denote people with immortal regeneration. This can potentially make them scale much higher, or make them a shittier fighter due to relying on regeneration, depends.

One asterisk * is for people with an instant win condition ability. Boa's the only fighter visible on this partial table (everyone else is Tsuru, Perona, Sugar, and, hilariously, Marianne)

 

[Pirate Queen]

Law had 0 heavy hitters other than himself on his crew while BB's crew was stacked. Even in the penultimate panels you see Law laying down in front of BB. Van Auger, and Burgess. It was essential Law getting g jumped by half a yonko crew and he held his own fairly well. With crew help BB would have been pushed to hard-extreme diff

Low diff is wild lol but I sorta get it

I did not watch the anime fight, I should add it to my to do list for sure

 

[Core D. Roy]

Law had 0 heavy hitters other than himself on his crew while BB's crew was stacked. Even in the penultimate panels you see Law laying down in front of BB. Van Auger, and Burgess. It was essential Law getting g jumped by half a yonko crew and he held his own fairly well. With crew help BB would have been pushed to hard-extreme diff

Low diff is wild lol but I sorta get it

I did not watch the anime fight, I should add it to my to do list for sure

I recommend going back and reading it yourself, it's a bit chopped up but Law's crew was pulling their weight. They shot Doc Q's explosives out of the air, they had sea superiority fucking up the Blade of Xebec with the Polar Tang, Jean Bar successfully tanked Van Augur's shot damn near point-blank. The second Blackbeard got close enough to clash directly with Law it was over.

The Heart Pirates actually did fuckin' work that match, it wasn't like they were completely stomped by the Blackbeard Pirates. And no, Burgess throwing a big rock didn't do shit, as always. If anything for once, Law's crew was pulling their weight more than the captain could- but he was facing The Guy.

Also Blackbeard jumping him is a safe assumption, but we don't know the context of the two crews clashing at Winner Island. The story just starts in media res with the attacks.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I recommend going back and reading it yourself, it's a bit chopped up but Law's crew was pulling their weight. They shot Doc Q's explosives out of the air, they had sea superiority fucking up the Blade of Xebec with the Polar Tang, Jean Bar successfully tanked Van Augur's shot damn near point-blank. The second Blackbeard got close enough to clash directly with Law it was over.

The Heart Pirates actually did fuckin' work that match, it wasn't like they were completely stomped by the Blackbeard Pirates. And no, Burgess throwing a big rock didn't do shit, as always. If anything for once, Law's crew was pulling their weight more than the captain could- but he was facing The Guy.

There was clearly more done off screen prior to the panel of Law laying in defeat. Much of the fight was offscreen. Like always

I i certainly did reread it in cased I missed anything. Doesn't look like I did but this could just be us interpreting it differently

 

[Core D. Roy]

There was clearly more done off screen prior to the panel of Law laying in defeat. Much of the fight was offscreen. Like always

Sure? But I'm going off what we actually saw, and how the story treats these two characters. Teech dusted his ass lol

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sure? But I'm going off what we actually saw, and how the story treats these two characters. Teech dusted his ass lol

We'll have to agree to disagree. Originally though i was wondering how you have BB #2 at the moment. Even if we agree the Law fight was a low diff, BB hasn't done nearly enough in my opinion to give him that distinction.

 

[XXGenesis]

@Pirate Queen
I dig the Boa placement. Technically only Luffy is immune. 20-23 on your list or higher imo would counter through pain & or go for the quick finish….I do believe Boa Petrifies anyone not above YC1 rather easy.

I was gonna say No Kidd!! But I understand, you’ve written him off as dead lol. But damn! Why you do the old men like that! Tsk tsk, you ain’t right for that lol. Jokes aside they are weaker than Admirals but you really think Rayleigh ain’t defeating Law….

If that Shamrock bet comes true, let me hold something.

@Core D. Roy
Bro Weevil?… Kmt lmao. Come on now, I know you ain’t keep so many ppl off for Weevil! Buggy is PK so I understand.

 

[Pirate Queen]

@Pirate Queen
I dig the Boa placement. Technically only Luffy is immune. 20-23 on your list or higher imo would counter through pain & or go for the quick finish….I do believe Boa Petrifies anyone not above YC1 rather easy.

I was gonna say No Kidd!! But I understand, you’ve written him off as dead lol. But damn! Why you do the old men like that! Tsk tsk, you ain’t right for that lol.

If that Shamrock bet comes true, let me hold something.

@Core D. Roy
Bro Weevil?… Kmt lmao. Come on now, I know you ain’t keep so many ppl off for Weevil! Buggy is PK so I understand.

Oh man I forgot Weevil

I originally had kid but you said not people thought to be dead so I played it safe lol

 

[Core D. Roy]

@Pirate Queen
I dig the Boa placement. Technically only Luffy is immune. 20-23 on your list or higher imo would counter through pain & or go for the quick finish….I do believe Boa Petrifies anyone not above YC1 rather easy.

I was gonna say No Kidd!! But I understand, you’ve written him off as dead lol. But damn! Why you do the old men like that! Tsk tsk, you ain’t right for that lol. Jokes aside they are weaker than Admirals but you really think Rayleigh ain’t defeating Law….

If that Shamrock bet comes true, let me hold something.

@Core D. Roy
Bro Weevil?… Kmt lmao. Come on now, I know you ain’t keep so many ppl off for Weevil! Buggy is PK so I understand.

Weevil was said to be on par with Young Whitebeard by people who can credibly say so, so he goes on the same row as Young Whitebeard. If you want Weevil lower, you have to put Young Whitebeard lower which.... naw dawg

 

[Pirate Queen]

Weevil was said to be on par with Young Whitebeard by people who can credibly say so, so he goes on the same row as Young Whitebeard. If you want Weevil lower, you have to put Young Whitebeard lower which.... naw dawg

Are you including lack of the quake fruit in this.