Semifinal Reinhard van Astrea vs. Vegeta

[Jammin]

I mean it's clearly shown in the anime what happens. Why are we even going over this???

You have a fair point there. If it isn't defined elsewhere. Then doesn't the anime interpretation become the canon one?

 

[Hardy]

You have to give reason as to why it isn't

It contradicts the manga in several places and has absurdly illogical filler, it doesn't respect the source material.

I'm still unsure where you got the "everything is canon" quote. Toriyama himself refers to the DBZ movies as "another dimension" and the DB Super movies as "continuation of the MANGA".

 

[Lambu]

That i fully get. But there isnt one mention of another planet, or universe besides this isekaiworld isnt it? So why should we assume, there is more? In this anime/novel there could be only one planet/world.

I repeat, Re:Zeroverse is not a videogame world.

Also theres multiple dimensions/plains of existence aswell as timelines. The entire order of them is sustained by Od Laguna.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I haven't seen something like that in DragonBall outside of filler. The closest thing was a clash of powers breaking through space and time in Gogeta vs Broly (the movie).

Here Jiren breaks out of a "pocket dimension" if you will, were time is totally frozen. And thats just the obious ones.

The dimensionsplattering screeches of Gotenks and Buu were already mentioned.

 

[Lambu]

You have a fair point there. If it isn't defined elsewhere. Then doesn't the anime interpretation become the canon one?

The manga written by Toriyama is canon over the filler made by Toei, no one takes anime-only scenes as canon for they contradict the manga most of the time.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

The manga written by Toriyama is canon over the filler made by Toei, no one takes anime-only scenes as canon for they contradict the manga most of the time.

Have sadly agree to that one my friend.

 

[Blakestnight666]

It contradicts the manga in several places and has absurdly illogical filler, it doesn't respect the source material.

I'm still unsure where you got the "everything is canon" quote. Toriyama himself refers to the DBZ movies as "another dimension" and the DB Super movies as "continuation of the MANGA".

Dbz movies=/= dbz anime. And what contradictions you are talking about?? Mind saying.

Dbz Kai is Canon to the manga as it removes all the unnecessary filler. And important scenes Like this are already present in kai. You can check the daizenshuu site to confirm.

 

[Hardy]

Here Jiren breaks out of a "pocket dimension" if you will, were time is totally frozen. And thats just the obious ones.

The dimensionsplattering screeches of Gotenks and Buu were already mentioned.

Jiren and Beerus are stronger than Vegeta though. Freezer scene is irrelevant.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Jiren and Beerus are stronger than Vegeta though. Freezer scene is irrelevant.

Currently i wouldnt be so sure with Jiren being stronger. He had a hard time against Goku and both have become way stronger since the tournament. Beerus and Vegeta are also comparable thanks to his hakaitraining.

 

[Hardy]

Dbz movies=/= dbz anime. And what contradictions you are talking about?? Mind saying.

Dbz Kai is Canon to the manga as it removes all the unnecessary filler. And important scenes Like this are already present in kai. You can check the daizenshuu site to confirm.

I already brought up Yamcha being as strong as perfect Cell and being seen as a back up plan to fight Buu.

Kai still has filler scenes, they are present in at least half of its airing and has two (I think?) completely filler episodes.

Not sure what you mean with "Daizenshuu" site but the daizenshuu booklets are supplemental, not source material and even contradict it at points (like saying there's an unmeasurable amount of galaxies and then Super has a count for them).

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Currently i wouldnt be so sure with Jiren being stronger. He had a hard time against Goku and both have become way stronger since the tournament. Beerus and Vegeta are also comparable thanks to his hakaitraining.

Jiren was still stronger though. Beerus is famously always holding back.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Kai still has filler scenes, they are present in at least half of its airing and has two (I think?) completely filler episodes.

Hm. Honestly i didnt noticed one and i rewatched it with my girlfriend very recently. Was even hoping for the carfiller but no it wasnt there.

 

[Copy Panda]

 

[Hardy]

Hm. Honestly i didnt noticed one and i rewatched it with my girlfriend very recently. Was even hoping for the carfiller but no it wasnt there.

It's much more legit than the original anime but only like half of the episodes follow the manga perfectly.

Yeah no car, sad honk

 

[Jammin]

The manga written by Toriyama is canon over the filler made by Toei, no one takes anime-only scenes as canon for they contradict the manga most of the time.

I think you're confused about what you're responding to.

We were talking about the fact that if the text of ReZero does not seem confirm the scope of the dragon sword to being on the scale of what you said then the anime version would probably be taken to be proof that the idea that it's larger than just a the world is fan fiction. Since the anime version is at least official. Where as the other interpretation apparently doesn't even have that backing it up. I agree that anime adapations take liberties and should be viewed as such. But it does trump.. nothing.

Though I have yet to sit down and look this stuff up. I'm just going off what's been in this thread.

 

[Blakestnight666]

I already brought up Yamcha being as strong as perfect Cell and being seen as a back up plan to fight Buu.

Kai still has filler scenes, they are present in at least half of its airing and has two (I think?) completely filler episodes.

Not sure what you mean with "Daizenshuu" site but the daizenshuu booklets are supplemental, not source material and even contradict it at points (like saying there's an unmeasurable amount of galaxies and then Super has a count for them).

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Jiren was still stronger though. Beerus is famously always holding back.

Yamcha one i already proved wrong.

Kai only removes filler.Those present aren't non canon???

Dude are you serious??? Dbs already confirmed that db has innumerable amount of galaxies. You already lost your credibility when you said that dbs has numbered galaxies

 

[Valhalla]

Werent there like 16 galaxies, and then 12?
Do galaxies = universes in DB?
Im not that versed in the world building of the series.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

@Blakestnight666 @Hardy What exactly is your discussionpoint? Because we are offrailing really hard right now. Whats filler and whats not?

 

[Hardy]

Yamcha one i already proved wrong.

Kai only removes filler.Those present aren't non canon???

Dude are you serious??? Dbs already confirmed that db has innumerable amount of galaxies. You already lost your credibility when you said that dbs has numbered galaxies

You didn't prove anything, you presented this: "Tenshinhan held down (didn't particularly damage) imperfect cell with his op ability that kills himself so it's perfectly normal that Yamcha, who was always weaker and stopped training, caught up and multiplied his strength".

Kai removes filler, not all.

I worded it the other way around, my bad. Daizenshuu states there's only 4 galaxies, we currently know they are countless.

 

[Nie Li]

@Blakestnight666 @Hardy What exactly is your discussionpoint? Because we are offrailing really hard right now. Whats filler and whats not?

 

[Hardy]

@Blakestnight666 @Hardy What exactly is your discussionpoint? Because we are offrailing really hard right now. Whats filler and whats not?

I guess? He's the only person I know that brings up movies and anime as feats for Dragonball.