Since when are the strawhats the main force in this war? the scabbards are clearly a more substantial force than the strawhats, if only because their weakest members tower over the weaker strawhats. The weakest scabbard managed to cut kaido, meanwhile sanji and ussop were instantly foderized by ulti. Sure, luffy might be stronger than any scabbard and zoro could also have that distinction but the scabbards have at least 5 people that can give jack a run for his money (denjiro, ashura, kawamatsu, sulong inuarashi and sulong nekomamushi)... Someone whose position in the world is higher than doflamingos.
Aside from the fact that all the Scabbards are pretty much incapacitated until further notice, Oda has made it pretty clear that, in the case of Kaido, he's leaving their take down to other Pirates, which is the Strawhats, Kidd Pirates, and Heart Pirates. Plus, seeing as how the Strawhats are the main characters and it's their story, it's highly likely that they'll be pulling the most weight in this battle.
Manga fact, Sanji has been struggling vs gifters, your biased cant change that sorry to inform you.
No one is doubting Sanji's ability to hit Queen the problem is Sanji doesn't have the strength to damage an ancient zoan, a fight with Queen would be pretty useless since Sanji won't be able to do any meaningful damage.
The Flying 6 have been shown to be monsters with only Jinbe and Franky being the only people capable of fighting and actually winning vs them, yet you make it sound like they are beneath Sanji, someone who couldn't beat Page One the weakest of the Flying 6, nothing Sanji has done or has ever shown puts him at a level where he can beat a commander, so far from the story its pretty safe to say Sanji can nearly beat an executive (Flying 6) and even that will be a high diff fight for him.
the only way Sanji will beat a commander this arc is if Drake and Chopper join him to beat Queen since it would be impossible for him to do it solo.
I know like me a lot of people want to see Sanji have a solo fight and actually win it, and the most logical way is for him is to beat a Flying 6, last time Sanji had a proper 1 v 1 was vs Jabura and that was almost 15 years ago.
Franky and Jimbei are absolutely below Sanji, Franky has been irrelevant all arc up until that matchup he got in recent chapter and Jimbeis main fight is Who's Who. Sanjis gonna be involved against the Commanders. Also I see your using that page one fight to downplay Sanji when it further proves my point about Sanjis importance compared to the other strawhats. The Fact that Oda displayed Sanjis powerup, unlike the rest of the strawhats (besides Zoro and Luffy), just shows how important Sanji is compared to the majority of the crew. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji are the only ones that showed their powerups in the earlier acts of wano. Its obvious Sanjis gonna fight a commander, he might even do it 1v1. Franky stayed in dressrosa the entire arc..... and didn't even fight an executive. Hasn't gotten a powerup or anything..... Now He's fighting a Tobi Roppo 1v1. Thats one piece in a nutshell, random power creeps, Oda doesn't care about what was portrayed before, he just makes characters as strong as they need to be to overcome someone. It shouldn't make sense for Sanji to 1v1 Queen or King, but look at what he's already done.........this dude doesn't care about power scaling.
Franky and Jimbei are absolutely below Sanji, Franky has been irrelevant all arc up until that matchup he got in recent chapter and Jimbeis main fight is Who's Who. Sanjis gonna be involved against the Commanders. Also I see your using that page one fight to downplay Sanji when it further proves my point about Sanjis importance compared to the other strawhats. The Fact that Oda displayed Sanjis powerup, unlike the rest of the strawhats (besides Zoro and Luffy), just shows how important Sanji is compared to the majority of the crew. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji are the only ones that showed their powerups in the earlier acts of wano. Its obvious Sanjis gonna fight a commander, he might even do it 1v1. Franky stayed in dressrosa the entire arc..... and didn't even fight an executive. Hasn't gotten a powerup or anything..... Now He's fighting a Tobi Roppo 1v1. Thats one piece in a nutshell, random power creeps, Oda doesn't care about what was portrayed before, he just makes characters as strong as they need to be to overcome someone. It shouldn't make sense for Sanji to 1v1 Queen or King, but look at what he's already done.........this dude doesn't care about power scaling.
Jinbe is below Sanji? since when?
Its your wishful thinking that Sanji will be involved vs a commander, and even if he was it would be impossible for him to win solo.
The Page One fight showed that Sanji can fight people on that level and even be better than them, but its all pointless since he cant damage them, so how can he damage Queen when he couldn't even put down Page One someone weaker?
Sanji has always been important and that will never change, but claiming he can do things that are way beyond his level is ridiculous IMO.
I should look at what he has already done??? what exactly has he done?
Oda is very consistent with power levels, even in cases like Luffy and Katakuri the difference wasn't that high, but rather one had the ability to nullify the other, but for Sanji vs Queen the gap is to vast to just say plot, and Oda hasn't made anyone win a fight because of plot why would he change now and for Sanji o all people and not Luffy?
Franky and Jimbei are absolutely below Sanji, Franky has been irrelevant all arc up until that matchup he got in recent chapter and Jimbeis main fight is Who's Who. Sanjis gonna be involved against the Commanders. Also I see your using that page one fight to downplay Sanji when it further proves my point about Sanjis importance compared to the other strawhats. The Fact that Oda displayed Sanjis powerup, unlike the rest of the strawhats (besides Zoro and Luffy), just shows how important Sanji is compared to the majority of the crew. Luffy, Zoro, Sanji are the only ones that showed their powerups in the earlier acts of wano. Its obvious Sanjis gonna fight a commander, he might even do it 1v1. Franky stayed in dressrosa the entire arc..... and didn't even fight an executive. Hasn't gotten a powerup or anything..... Now He's fighting a Tobi Roppo 1v1. Thats one piece in a nutshell, random power creeps, Oda doesn't care about what was portrayed before, he just makes characters as strong as they need to be to overcome someone. It shouldn't make sense for Sanji to 1v1 Queen or King, but look at what he's already done.........this dude doesn't care about power scaling.
For me since Franky's attack power is only lower than Zoro and Luffy's I don't see a problem with him being able to beat Sasaki, well if it was a different opponent then sure it would be pretty impossible for Franky to win but given that Sasaki is a triceratops, he should be slow enough for Franky to have a chance.
Yea Franky has power but he fights like an idiot....... that's why he never fights the top 5 fighters in crews. And often gets reduced to someone like senior Pink in dressrosa even though half the crew was gone. lol. Franky has very low fighting technique. It honestly makes no sense for Franky to fight Sasaki or any Tobi Roppo given his history but here we are............ like I said Oda doesn't care about power scaling or what makes sense in this arc.
Jinbe is below Sanji? since when?
Its your wishful thinking that Sanji will be involved vs a commander, and even if he was it would be impossible for him to win solo.
The Page One fight showed that Sanji can fight people on that level and even be better than them, but its all pointless since he cant damage them, so how can he damage Queen when he couldn't even put down Page One someone weaker?
Sanji has always been important and that will never change, but claiming he can do things that are way beyond his level is ridiculous IMO.
I should look at what he has already done??? what exactly has he done?
Oda is very consistent with power levels, even in cases like Luffy and Katakuri the difference wasn't that high, but rather one had the ability to nullify the other, but for Sanji vs Queen the gap is to vast to just say plot, and Oda hasn't made anyone win a fight because of plot why would he change now and for Sanji o all people and not Luffy?
The Gap was incredibly wide between Sanji and Jabra. Sanji got his ass whooped by Blueno on the train did he not? But he ended up Mid Diffing Jabra. Is that consistency? I honestly dont care if its a tag team or not im just telling you that him 1v1 Queen is a possibility. Its Bullshit for the Strawhats outside of Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jimbei to fight Tobi Roppo period......But its happening...........
Yea Franky has power but he fights like an idiot....... that's why he never fights the top 5 fighters in crews. And often gets reduced to someone like senior Pink in dressrosa even though half the crew was gone. lol. Franky has very low fighting technique. It honestly makes no sense for Franky to fight Sasaki or any Tobi Roppo given his history but here we are............ like I said Oda doesn't care about power scaling or what makes sense in this arc.
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Jimbei fight for the arc wouldn't be Who's Who if he was stronger than Sanji right now. He would've been matched up against King, Queen or even Jack.
Technically speaking, there's still time for Jinbe to pair off against Jack, which is what I'm personally thinking will happen.
Brook and Robin can potentially relieve both Sanji and Jinbe of their duties since they're heading up the castle now, allowing those two to fight against the Commanders.
The Gap was incredibly wide between Sanji and Jabra. Sanji got his ass whooped by Blueno on the train did he not? But he ended up Mid Diffing Jabra. Is that consistency? I honestly dont care if its a tag team or not im just telling you that him 1v1 Queen is a possibility. Its Bullshit for the Strawhats outside of Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jimbei to fight Tobi Roppo period......But its happening...........
So Jinbe didn't have help from the Strawhat Pirates?
And how is it innacurate? which part was it? was it the part when a weak Big Mum tanked Jinbe's strongest attack or was it the part when Big Mum and Kaido cant tank Zoro's weaker attack?
Yea but is Sanji going to be with Black Maria and Gifters for the rest of the Raid???? Obviously not if he was trying to Escape in 998 and its been 5 chapters since then...... Its Obvious Sanjis gonna escape, why we acting like its some eternal situation? Sanjis end game this arc is gonna be a lot more impressive than beating a Tobi Roppo and their crew. Queen and King are much stronger than Tobi Roppo.
He didn't do any serious damage but he was running circles around Jabra before Diable Jambe. And this is the same Sanji who got worked by Blueno prior........And Sanji definitely wasn't out of gas, Only Luffy and Chopper were out of gas after their fights in enies lobby.
Even if Franky was always the strongest after Luffy, Zoro, Sanji he never got treated that way...... Franky has never fought the 4th or 5th strongest in crews.Oda always gives him guys lower than 5th.......
Yea but is Sanji going to be with Black Maria and Gifters for the rest of the Raid???? Obviously not if he was trying to Escape in 998 and its been 5 chapters since then...... Its Obvious Sanjis gonna escape, why we acting like its some eternal situation? Sanjis end game this arc is gonna be a lot more impressive than beating a Tobi Roppo and their crew. Queen and King are much stronger than Tobi Roppo.
Sanji will end up saving Nami like always, he will fight Page One if not he will join Drake and Chopper to beat Queen, Sanji cant beat King it was made pretty clear from their exchange and besides King will fight Marco.
He didn't do any serious damage but he was running circles around Jabra before Diable Jambe. And this is the same Sanji who got worked by Blueno prior........And Sanji definitely wasn't out of gas, Only Luffy and Chopper were out of gas after their fights in enies lobby.
Sanji's attacks were not doing anything to Jabura, just like with Blueno he wasn't able to get past his tekkai but was slowly starting to figure out how it worked when he ran into Jabura he already knew how the tekkai worked but was still unable to do much to Jabura until pulling out DJ.
Sanji was running low just like everyone, they were all breathing heavy after their fights, just that Chopper and Luffy were the only ones who couldn't move but Sanji, Zoro, Usopp and Nami were pretty much out of gas after their fights.
Even if Franky was always the strongest after Luffy, Zoro, Sanji he never got treated that way...... Franky has never fought the 4th or 5th strongest in crews.Oda always gives him guys lower than 5th.......
Franky joined after water 7 and the next arc was vs TB pirates he didn't get a 1 v 1 only in Fishmen Island did he get a 1 v 1 and all the executives were pretty equal in strength, and in Dressrosa he fought Pink who was arguably the strongest after Pica, Diamante and Trebol, so I don't get why you keep saying Franky doesn't fight the 4th or 5th strongest when he always fights the executives of the enemy every time.
That's not conclusive - Who's Who could be a minor fight for Jinbei while his actual arc opponent could be Jack or even Queen. It's not like Sanji's doing any better either, but we still bet on him going up against a stronger opponent anyway.
Sanji will end up saving Nami like always, he will fight Page One if not he will join Drake and Chopper to beat Queen, Sanji cant beat King it was made pretty clear from their exchange and besides King will fight Marco.
Sanji's attacks were not doing anything to Jabura, just like with Blueno he wasn't able to get past his tekkai but was slowly starting to figure out how it worked when he ran into Jabura he already knew how the tekkai worked but was still unable to do much to Jabura until pulling out DJ.
Sanji was running low just like everyone, they were all breathing heavy after their fights, just that Chopper and Luffy were the only ones who couldn't move but Sanji, Zoro, Usopp and Nami were pretty much out of gas after their fights.
Franky joined after water 7 and the next arc was vs TB pirates he didn't get a 1 v 1 only in Fishmen Island did he get a 1 v 1 and all the executives were pretty equal in strength, and in Dressrosa he fought Pink who was arguably the strongest after Pica, Diamante and Trebol, so I don't get why you keep saying Franky doesn't fight the 4th or 5th strongest when he always fights the executives of the enemy every time.
Pink arguably the strongest after the executives????LMAO there's no way you typed that with a straight face......Gladius and Lao G had better portrayal than Senior Pink. You also forgot Vergo so that puts Senior Pink at like 7th in Doflamingos crew.......He drops to 8th if we include Doflamingo, And honestly after Dellingers showing im tempted to put Pink at 9th lmao.
That's not conclusive - Who's Who could be a minor fight for Jinbei while his actual arc opponent could be Jack or even Queen. It's not like Sanji's doing any better either, but we still bet on him going up against a stronger opponent anyway.
Its obvious Sanjis gonna do something later, cause Oda's done this before with Sanji. But for Jimbei its not the same at all.....plus they have history. Who's Who is likely Jimbei's arc fight.......... And Jimbei's not beating a commander after beating a Tobi Roppo that's ridiculous. Last time any straw hat got 2 major fights in an arc, was Zoro in Skypiea.
Why are you nitpicking? Why does Sanji deserve benefit of the doubt but not JInbei, someone who's shown great feats since Marineford? Unless Who's Who is super strong, I highly doubt he'll be Jinbei's arc fight, that'll probably be someone else.
Also Luffy in Water 7. Sanji too if you count Khalifa. THen Zoro took on Hodi and that swordsman octopus. Then you have Luffy fighting Cracker and Katakuri. There's literally no reason for Jinbei to not beat a commander after beating a Tobi Roppo if Jinbei is significantly stronger, just as there's no reason for Black Maria to be Sanji's opponent when he doesn't believe in hitting women and would likely win if he forgot his code of honor.
I can see Sanji being inferior to Jinbei, for now anyway, and still fight one of the top fighters. Plus it's not just about strength but matchups as well.
The Gap was incredibly wide between Sanji and Jabra. Sanji got his ass whooped by Blueno on the train did he not? But he ended up Mid Diffing Jabra. Is that consistency? I honestly dont care if its a tag team or not im just telling you that him 1v1 Queen is a possibility. Its Bullshit for the Strawhats outside of Luffy, Zoro, Sanji, Jimbei to fight Tobi Roppo period......But its happening...........
Yea but is Sanji going to be with Black Maria and Gifters for the rest of the Raid???? Obviously not if he was trying to Escape in 998 and its been 5 chapters since then...... Its Obvious Sanjis gonna escape, why we acting like its some eternal situation? Sanjis end game this arc is gonna be a lot more impressive than beating a Tobi Roppo and their crew. Queen and King are much stronger than Tobi Roppo.
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He didn't do any serious damage but he was running circles around Jabra before Diable Jambe. And this is the same Sanji who got worked by Blueno prior........And Sanji definitely wasn't out of gas, Only Luffy and Chopper were out of gas after their fights in enies lobby.
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Even if Franky was always the strongest after Luffy, Zoro, Sanji he never got treated that way...... Franky has never fought the 4th or 5th strongest in crews.Oda always gives him guys lower than 5th.......
With Enies Lobby as the precedent, it's not farfetched to believe Oda will make him capable of defeating a YC. It's his treatment up to this point that makes that seem less beliveable. There were greater back and forths between Sanji and opponents that weren't his main fight pre TS.
As has been said though, most SH's have not had a proper power showcase post TS. Sanji though has been given multiple opportunities and has not fared too well, at least in a back and forth sense. Oda has to do a lot of work to go from that to him beating an opponent at a level that Luffy struggled with in the prior arc. Cracker and Katakuri.
I've probably become more of a Sanji fan post TS from all the random defenses and justification of subpar performance. Rereading arcs also gives things greater context since I binged everything pre ts in 3 weeks in 2010. That said the wait is killing me. 3 big new named attacks post TS and geppo is not enough. RS is seriously cool but as of now there's no known damage output modification. Just have to wait I guess. I hope whatever he does showcase doesn't seem like an ass pull. As long Oda does this well I'll be happy.
There's no reason to believe that Jinbei will stop at Who's Who. Until we see where Zoro ends up towards the end of the arc he's arguably the second strongest SH. As big mom said, he fucked with her fleet and allowed the Sun pirates and Germa to escape. Even pre TS he was shown to be YC level. He also has good feats against BM both in WCI and in Wano so far.
Like Pirate Queen said the hierarchy for now should be Luffy, Jinbei, Zoro, Sanji and the rest.
