Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[kkck]

Who knows though, maybe the clutch suit is enough to injure kaido... lol.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Who knows though, maybe the clutch suit is enough to injure kaido... lol.

Doubt it lol

 

[Prince13333]

With Enies Lobby as the precedent, it's not farfetched to believe Oda will make him capable of defeating a YC. It's his treatment up to this point that makes that seem less beliveable. There were greater back and forths between Sanji and opponents that weren't his main fight pre TS.

As has been said though, most SH's have not had a proper power showcase post TS. Sanji though has been given multiple opportunities and has not fared too well, at least in a back and forth sense. Oda has to do a lot of work to go from that to him beating an opponent at a level that Luffy struggled with in the prior arc. Cracker and Katakuri.

I've probably become more of a Sanji fan post TS from all the random defenses and justification of subpar performance. Rereading arcs also gives things greater context since I binged everything pre ts in 3 weeks in 2010. That said the wait is killing me. 3 big new named attacks post TS and geppo is not enough. RS is seriously cool but as of now there's no known damage output modification. Just have to wait I guess. I hope whatever he does showcase doesn't seem like an ass pull. As long Oda does this well I'll be happy.

There's no reason to believe that Jinbei will stop at Who's Who. Until we see where Zoro ends up towards the end of the arc he's arguably the second strongest SH. As big mom said, he fucked with her fleet and allowed the Sun pirates and Germa to escape. Even pre TS he was shown to be YC level. He also has good feats against BM both in WCI and in Wano so far.

Like Pirate Queen said the hierarchy for now should be Luffy, Jinbei, Zoro, Sanji and the rest.

"There were greater back and forths between Sanji and opponents that weren't his main fight pre TS" No there wasn't.......Sanji has never faired well against people who weren't his main fight. Pre or Post.

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With Enies Lobby as the precedent, it's not farfetched to believe Oda will make him capable of defeating a YC. It's his treatment up to this point that makes that seem less beliveable. There were greater back and forths between Sanji and opponents that weren't his main fight pre TS.

As has been said though, most SH's have not had a proper power showcase post TS. Sanji though has been given multiple opportunities and has not fared too well, at least in a back and forth sense. Oda has to do a lot of work to go from that to him beating an opponent at a level that Luffy struggled with in the prior arc. Cracker and Katakuri.

I've probably become more of a Sanji fan post TS from all the random defenses and justification of subpar performance. Rereading arcs also gives things greater context since I binged everything pre ts in 3 weeks in 2010. That said the wait is killing me. 3 big new named attacks post TS and geppo is not enough. RS is seriously cool but as of now there's no known damage output modification. Just have to wait I guess. I hope whatever he does showcase doesn't seem like an ass pull. As long Oda does this well I'll be happy.

There's no reason to believe that Jinbei will stop at Who's Who. Until we see where Zoro ends up towards the end of the arc he's arguably the second strongest SH. As big mom said, he fucked with her fleet and allowed the Sun pirates and Germa to escape. Even pre TS he was shown to be YC level. He also has good feats against BM both in WCI and in Wano so far.

Like Pirate Queen said the hierarchy for now should be Luffy, Jinbei, Zoro, Sanji and the rest.

Jimbei's not gonna be portrayed above Zoro and Sanji even if he should be. He wasn't portrayed stronger than them in Fishman Island. And he's not gonna be portrayed stronger now.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 3, 2021 ---

Because Black Maria is an All-Star?


Sanji was physically superior to Blueno.

He lost because of Blueno's fruit.

Sanjis not actually matched up against Black Maria like Franky and Jimbei are matched up against Who's Who and Sasaki. He's escaping from her. So there's still ambiguity in Sanjis matchup. And Blueno got the better of Sanji on that train. Sanji used his strongest attack at that point, being Concasse and it barely broke tekkai. Fast forward about 30 chapters later and Sanji was able to draw blood from someone almost 3 times stronger than Blueno with a casual kick.

 

[M3J]

Why are you bringing up Fishman Island when even the boss was pretty weak? Zoro or Sanji or JInbei alone could have solo'd all of them at once. It doesn't really tell us the hierarchy of power, especially when Sanji didn't take on his opponent alone.

 

[Fox666]

"There were greater back and forths between Sanji and opponents that weren't his main fight pre TS" No there wasn't.......Sanji has never faired well against people who weren't his main fight. Pre or Post.

Gin or Arlong were just stronger than Sanji.

Among the East Blue villains, Gin has the highest bounty among subordinates (12,000,000). Even for Luffy it wouldn't be an easy fight.

Arlong was someone only Luffy could defeat.

 

[Prince13333]

Why are you bringing up Fishman Island when even the boss was pretty weak? Zoro or Sanji or JInbei alone could have solo'd all of them at once. It doesn't really tell us the hierarchy of power, especially when Sanji didn't take on his opponent alone.

I brought up Fishman island because its the only arc Post Timeskip all the strawhats were in that required them to defeat a crew, aside from the arc were in currently. So its honestly the best reference, until wano concludes. And in Ch. 646 Oda has them finish off their opponents in a sort of Hierarchy, Ending with Zoro. And Sanji is the page before Zoro. Also Jimbei didn't take on his opponent alone either....... the strongest person Jimbei's defeated on his own Post Timeskip is Opera.For Sanji its Raisin or Sheepshead.So idk why your acting like jimbeis been catching bodies or somethin.

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Gin or Arlong were just stronger than Sanji.

Among the East Blue villains, Gin has the highest bounty among subordinates (12,000,000). Even for Luffy it wouldn't be an easy fight.

Arlong was someone only Luffy could defeat.

Doflamingo and Vergo were just stronger than Sanji,

Among the executives Vergo had the best portrayal, and was #2 Even for G2/G3 Luffy at that point, it wouldn't be an easy fight.

Doffy was someone only Luffy could defeat.

btw Its Implied Zoro could have defeated along.... but See what I did there?

 

[Shasha23]

I brought up Fishman island because its the only arc Post Timeskip all the strawhats were in that required them to defeat a crew, aside from the arc were in currently. So its honestly the best reference, until wano concludes. And in Ch. 646 Oda has them finish off their opponents in a sort of Hierarchy, Ending with Zoro. And Sanji is the page before Zoro. Also Jimbei didn't take on his opponent alone either....... the strongest person Jimbei's defeated on his own Post Timeskip is Opera.For Sanji its Raisin or Sheepshead.So idk why your acting like jimbeis been catching bodies or something.

Sanji has not defeated anyone on his own since post time skip, he never defeated Raisin and Brook and Sanji defeated Sheepshead.

Doflamingo and Vergo were just stronger than Sanji,

Among the executives Vergo had the best portrayal, and was #2 Even for G2/G3 Luffy at that point, it wouldn't be an easy fight.

Doffy was someone only Luffy could defeat.

btw Its Implied Zoro could have defeated along.... but See what I did there?

The executive with the best portrayal was Pica, not Vergo, also Vergo was not number #2, Pica was the strongest after Doffy and the 2nd in command of the family was Trebol.

Its debatable whether Doffy could beat Zoro or not, the only reason Luffy struggled in the first place was that he was fighting in the arena then he fought some random fodder and fought Fujitora then took hits from Bellamy by the point he faced Doffy Luffy was far from his best, and with G4 he toyed with Doffy, someone of Doffy's level is hard to say he could have beat Zoro, I for one doubt Doffy could beat Zoro in a 1 vs 1 back then.

 

[M3J]

Gin or Arlong were just stronger than Sanji.

I don't think Gin was

I brought up Fishman island because its the only arc Post Timeskip all the strawhats were in that required them to defeat a crew, aside from the arc were in currently. So its honestly the best reference, until wano concludes. And in Ch. 646 Oda has them finish off their opponents in a sort of Hierarchy, Ending with Zoro. And Sanji is the page before Zoro. Also Jimbei didn't take on his opponent alone either....... the strongest person Jimbei's defeated on his own Post Timeskip is Opera.For Sanji its Raisin or Sheepshead.So idk why your acting like jimbeis been catching bodies or somethin.

But it's also irrelevant because all of the enemies were weak, again, and Sanji and Jinbei fought together against one opponent whom they beat effortlessly.

Jinbei's managed to block Big Mom and push her away, which neither Luffy nor Sanji could manage. Jinbei has better feats post-timeskip, as far as I recall, just from defending the ship against Big Mom and still being alive.

I must say, Zoro fans, Mihawk fans, and Sanji fans are extremely annoying.

 

[Shasha23]

I don't think Gin was

If he wasn't then Sanji should have won.

I must say, Zoro fans, Mihawk fans, and Sanji fans are extremely annoying.

Mihawk fans are the most chill people since they have such high IQ, they get angry when people post idiotic comments

 

[Prince13333]

I don't think Gin was


But it's also irrelevant because all of the enemies were weak, again, and Sanji and Jinbei fought together against one opponent whom they beat effortlessly.

Jinbei's managed to block Big Mom and push her away, which neither Luffy nor Sanji could manage. Jinbei has better feats post-timeskip, as far as I recall, just from defending the ship against Big Mom and still being alive.

I must say, Zoro fans, Mihawk fans, and Sanji fans are extremely annoying.

We'll know if Jimbei stronger by the end of the arc.

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Sanji has not defeated anyone on his own since post time skip, he never defeated Raisin and Brook and Sanji defeated Sheepshead.




The executive with the best portrayal was Pica, not Vergo, also Vergo was not number #2, Pica was the strongest after Doffy and the 2nd in command of the family was Trebol.

Its debatable whether Doffy could beat Zoro or not, the only reason Luffy struggled in the first place was that he was fighting in the arena then he fought some random fodder and fought Fujitora then took hits from Bellamy by the point he faced Doffy Luffy was far from his best, and with G4 he toyed with Doffy, someone of Doffy's level is hard to say he could have beat Zoro, I for one doubt Doffy could beat Zoro in a 1 vs 1 back then.

Sanji definitely defeated Raisin...... Raisin never comes back after this.....Unlike Opera who Jimbei "defeated".

 

[Shasha23]

We'll know if Jimbei stronger by the end of the arc.

--- Double Post Merged, Feb 4, 2021, Original Post Date: Feb 4, 2021 ---

Sanji definitely defeated Raisin...... Raisin never comes back after this.....Unlike Opera who Jimbei "defeated".

Dude Raisin came back and tried to cut Sanji, with Niji coming in to save Sanji and Luffy, you are definitely picking and choosing what suits your agenda and not what happened.

Besides Raisin is a no-name pirate, how is kicking him from the air a decent win for Sanji, stoping Bobin was more impressive feat

 

[M3J]

If he wasn't then Sanji should have won.



Mihawk fans are the most chill people since they have such high IQ, they get angry when people post idiotic comments

If I recall correctly, Pearl was getting his ass handed to him by Sanji until Gin held Zeff hostage. THen Sanji let Pearl beat him up, but GIn finishied off Pealr and fought a severely injured Sanji, who was too injured and as result was losing to Gin.

No they aren't. They're just as annoying and twist everything to suit what they want and make even more idiotic comments.

We'll know if Jimbei stronger by the end of the arc.

He definitely is stronger than Sanji, unless Sanji got stronger since WCI. Or at the very least, he has better feats than Sanji.

 

[Prince13333]

If I recall correctly, Pearl was getting his ass handed to him by Sanji until Gin held Zeff hostage. THen Sanji let Pearl beat him up, but GIn finishied off Pealr and fought a severely injured Sanji, who was too injured and as result was losing to Gin.

No they aren't. They're just as annoying and twist everything to suit what they want and make even more idiotic comments.



He definitely is stronger than Sanji, unless Sanji got stronger since WCI. Or at the very least, he has better feats than Sanji.

like I said we'll see at the end of the arc. I wanna know what Oda is gonna have Jimbei do and what he's gonna have Sanji do.

 

[Shasha23]

If I recall correctly, Pearl was getting his ass handed to him by Sanji until Gin held Zeff hostage. THen Sanji let Pearl beat him up, but GIn finishied off Pealr and fought a severely injured Sanji, who was too injured and as result was losing to Gin.

No they aren't. They're just as annoying and twist everything to suit what they want and make even more idiotic comments.

Nah Sanji wasn't able to get close to Pearl cause of the fire, causing Sanji to lose his nerve since Pearly was burning the ship, until Luffy incidentally hit Pearl causing him to lose his shit at the sight of his blood but before he could burn down the restaurant Gin OHKO'd him, Sanji letting Pearl hit him was because of his lack of fighting experience at that time.

Nope Mihawk fans are not that, all they state are facts I mean they only say this: "Mihawk is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman meaning he is above Sanks" and that is the truth but Dallas that statement triggers people into saying nonsense which in turn forces Mihawk fan to keep stating the truth!

 

[Fox666]

Nah Sanji wasn't able to get close to Pearl cause of the fire, causing Sanji to lose his nerve since Pearly was burning the ship, until Luffy incidentally hit Pearl causing him to lose his shit at the sight of his blood but before he could burn down the restaurant Gin OHKO'd him, Sanji letting Pearl hit him was because of his lack of fighting experience at that time.

What are you talking about?

The fire was not a problem for Sanji.

Pearl was no match for him, until Gin took Zeff as a hostage.

 

[Shasha23]

What are you talking about?

The fire was not a problem for Sanji.

Pearl was no match for him, until Gin took Zeff as a hostage.

ok I thought it was because Pearl was reading fire everywhere that Sanji couldn't do anything

 

[XXGenesis]

Sanji has not defeated anyone on his own since post time skip, he never defeated Raisin and Brook and Sanji defeated Sheepshead.




The executive with the best portrayal was Pica, not Vergo, also Vergo was not number #2, Pica was the strongest after Doffy and the 2nd in command of the family was Trebol.

Its debatable whether Doffy could beat Zoro or not, the only reason Luffy struggled in the first place was that he was fighting in the arena then he fought some random fodder and fought Fujitora then took hits from Bellamy by the point he faced Doffy Luffy was far from his best, and with G4 he toyed with Doffy, someone of Doffy's level is hard to say he could have beat Zoro, I for one doubt Doffy could beat Zoro in a 1 vs 1 back then.

Raisin was seen back up after that attack;
Sheepshead was defeated but not K.O; he got washed away in the river he was still conscious.

I don't think Gin was


But it's also irrelevant because all of the enemies were weak, again, and Sanji and Jinbei fought together against one opponent whom they beat effortlessly.

Jinbei's managed to block Big Mom and push her away, which neither Luffy nor Sanji could manage. Jinbei has better feats post-timeskip, as far as I recall, just from defending the ship against Big Mom and still being alive.

I must say, Zoro fans, Mihawk fans, and Sanji fans are extremely annoying.

Gin wasn’t stronger than Sanji, better fighting experience.

Yes Sanji fans are very very annoying.

I believe Oda is very deliberate in his portrayals of Sanji. As he’s been very deliberate with his other crew members.
Until Wano ends, I’m speculating Oda is either finished with his old formula & rivalry in combat OR just maybe Sanji gets to fight an All Star; With High diff & a boost during the fight Sanji steps back into the top 3 of the group.

Aside from that, I believe the reality is, Sanji is super strong normal guy, who’s a persistent pervert chivalrous gentleman, & a dope ass cook;

His dream & personal drive isn’t reliant on strength, notoriety, & power, so he doesn’t & wouldn’t need to seek out or gain so much of said intangibles compared to PK & Best Swordsmen.

 

[MakMatik]

Is Sanji going to power up his CoO from all the running away from women he won't fight?

 

[M3J]

Nah Sanji wasn't able to get close to Pearl cause of the fire, causing Sanji to lose his nerve since Pearly was burning the ship, until Luffy incidentally hit Pearl causing him to lose his shit at the sight of his blood but before he could burn down the restaurant Gin OHKO'd him, Sanji letting Pearl hit him was because of his lack of fighting experience at that time.

Nope Mihawk fans are not that, all they state are facts I mean they only say this: "Mihawk is the Worlds Strongest Swordsman meaning he is above Sanks" and that is the truth but Dallas that statement triggers people into saying nonsense which in turn forces Mihawk fan to keep stating the truth!

Sanji was doing very well against Pearl until Gin took Zeff hostage. That's literally why Sanji let Pearl hit him. I don't know if you're trolling or if you genuinely forgot, but for someone who acts rudely and like a jerk to others, you'd think you'd actually remember the manga and actually be right.

Mihawk fans definitely are, and you just proved they can't remember manga facts either. There's no truth to Mihawk being above Shanks, otherwise his title would be "World's Strongest Man," not Swordsman. So far there's no proof that Mihawk is superior to Shanks other than being a superior swordsman.

Raisin was seen back up after that attack;
Sheepshead was defeated but not K.O; he got washed away in the river he was still conscious.



Gin wasn’t stronger than Sanji, better fighting experience.

Yes Sanji fans are very very annoying.

I believe Oda is very deliberate in his portrayals of Sanji. As he’s been very deliberate with his other crew members.
Until Wano ends, I’m speculating Oda is either finished with his old formula & rivalry in combat OR just maybe Sanji gets to fight an All Star; With High diff & a boost during the fight Sanji steps back into the top 3 of the group.

Aside from that, I believe the reality is, Sanji is super strong normal guy, who’s a persistent pervert chivalrous gentleman, & a dope ass cook;

His dream & personal drive isn’t reliant on strength, notoriety, & power, so he doesn’t & wouldn’t need to seek out or gain so much of said intangibles compared to PK & Best Swordsmen.

Gin was also fighting a severely injured Sanji after forcing him to let Pearl hit him by holding Zeff hostage.

Moe is, but overall, Zoro and Mihawk fans are far worse.

I wouldn't put it past Oda to put Sanji against a commander though, especially when Sanji usually fights the strongest hand-to-hand combatant that's not the captain. His drive is also to help Luffy become the Pirate King and to protect the female crewmates, so Sanji would definitely need to have durability to take hits after hits and fight back. Maybe not be on the same level as Zoro, but close enough.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Is Sanji going to power up his CoO from all the running away from women he won't fight?

It's possible. After all, the reason why Sanji was good at CoO was to avoid all the okamas chasing him.