Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[nik87]

@Hannibal Psyche I agree. I meant it more like that he was way too cocky at end of 930 apparently knowing it will be a disguise which he couldn't know and then he assumes in next chapter and also implies he knows how strong P1 is while he couldn't possibly know.

Anyway, Sanji is the closest to a normal human that we got among the Strawhats and is limited to combat with legs only and nothing from his repertoire implies that he was able to handle P1 easily, at least nothing that we know of. I assume he has more to show from his 2 years training because he didnt show anything except Hells Memories and moonwalk.

What I want from Sanji is more development about his fire element, I dont know where Oda is going with this and not sure if Thriller Bark scene was a gag or foreshadowing for something. I want far more devastating kicks, he lacks a lot in that segment. Luffy is splitting towns with his KKG and Zoro is slicing mountain-sized stone giants and Sanji has shown nothing close as destructive as those two. Setting opponents on fire with HM doesnt cut it for me. He needs his kicks to be equal to Lucci's Six King pistol or similar to finger pistol but with that diameter imagine how deadly that would be. Hardening development, like you said, is something he needs to use as a basic technique because it really is basic in New World.

I like the suit but I hope it doesnt improve his offense and he has to do it on his own. I think it looks cool and may be even better after redesign. I dont mind that it provides durability as I think Sanji needed that desperately, speed boost and levitation are ok as well. Stealth factor is a tricky one, it's unfair advantage unless CoO is able to pick it up which it should since stealth is just visual trick so in the end it may not be cheap at all if CoO users dont have a problem with it.

Addition of Jinbe, if he isnt fish fries by now, would indeed push Sanji back but he may have a comeback if he shows development in the sectors mentioned earlier. He could even use CP's slicing techniques Rankyaku and that would also make him much deadlier. Fire element is interesting but Oda needs to decide already if he will make something of it or pursue another way...

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I like the suit but I hope it doesnt improve his offense and he has to do it on his own. I think it looks cool and may be even better after redesign. I dont mind that it provides durability as I think Sanji needed that desperately, speed boost and levitation are ok as well. Stealth factor is a tricky one, it's unfair advantage unless CoO is able to pick it up which it should since stealth is just visual trick so in the end it may not be cheap at all if CoO users dont have a problem with it.

Agreed. I just don't want the suit being integral to how he fights. I don't want it to be a thing where if the suit can't be used, then Sanji is useless. If Nami no longer has her clima-tact, she's baby food at that point. I don't want Sanji being crippled because of the suit.

Would be nice if we didn't have to view Sanji as just a cook at this point, but someone that can hold his own against the best. Rayleigh coats ship, yet we know if he gets engaged against an Admiral, he's doing fine. I would like Sanji to get that sort of perception from readers because since the pre-skip, he was always one of the 3 who could be trusted.

At the moment, Sanji seems more intelligent than he is strong, I'd like his intelligence and strength to scale up equally high and dependable.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I actually think it was terribly executed by Oda.
In the final page of 930 Sanji acts very cocky and makes the claims that he makes - disposing of P1 quickly and disguising himself.
The first page of 931 he still claims that it's a disguise even tho he never used it before and it wasn't a disguise for siblings and then assumes that raid suit has the power to help. That's a big 180° turn from acting cocky to assuming things.

PageOne seemed totally unaffected by Sanji's kicks so it's hard to swallow that he disposed of him quickly considering that P1 is a durable ancient Zoan.
My bet is that the last hit which Sanji landed from the sky managed to knock PageOne unconscious but at that moment Drake and Hawkins arrived and Sanji stealthed away before they could notice him. Even if the scenario that you think happened is true we saw how fast Zoans regenerate and get back up on their feet. I am willing to bet that P1 is well and kicking in a few days if he really was defeated fully by Sanji in such a short amount of time.

All I want is the confirmation of the outcome and if Sanji indeed won it would be nice to see how.

As for not getting hurt Sanji surely knew the suit will grant him extra defense (it is it's basic feature, same as flight and acceleration).

Though in terms of hiding his identity I can see a problem too, as he couldn't be so sure that it would hide his face... But if we assume that he could somehow know beforehand?

I too want to see the outcome properly... :3

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Just a guess. But do you expect Franky+Usopp to modify the suit in a way that it looks more like Sanji's normal outfit plus remove flight engines and accelerators as Sanji doesn't seem to need them? Only leaving defensive properties and invisibility for spying on gi... Helping his friends.

 

[nik87]

Just a guess. But do you expect Franky+Usopp to modify the suit in a way that it looks more like Sanji's normal outfit plus remove flight engines and accelerators as Sanji doesn't seem to need them? Only leaving defensive properties and invisibility for spying on gi... Helping his friends.

I think the changes will only be visual and keeping all the abilities that it already has. I hope the mask remains but there are high chances that it will be gone. Never was much of a fan of his normal outfit so the suit is a great change for me.
This looks ok tho.

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[Deleted member 169696]

I think the changes will only be visual and keeping all the abilities that it already has. I hope the mask remains but there are high chances that it will be gone. Never was much of a fan of his normal outfit so the suit is a great change for me.
This looks ok tho.

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Are the bandages part of the outfit? (Just kidding... )

I like RS design too, but Sanji himself seemed rather unpleased with the fact it resembled Germa so much.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Not gonna lie, i like the RS Design with the mask over his face, only downsite is, he cant smoke while fighting anymore.

Rankyaku would be perfect for him thats right, but the first fight from him i saw was against Mr.2. So i am really into the breakdance like swinging around his legs, Diable Jambe i never liked on the other hand. I would rather have a Rock Lee Gimmick, which boosts his speed extremly then... "i light my foot on fire".

 

[King Moe]

I think "most" of us already know the deal with Sanji, and clearly aren't happy with how Oda is handling him. Surely, there's other things to discuss.

We've more or less agreed by majority that Oda hasn't made Sanji strong relative to his opponents since the New World, and has just misrepresented him badly in general.

There's no need to keep trying to justifying that stance to 1 person who disagrees. I'm probably the last person that should say this, but maybe we should change the topic somewhat like what would we actually like to see from Sanji? the thread has probably argued the same point for 30 chapters, lol.

Me personally, I will give Sanji the benefit of the doubt that he's now able to use Hardened Armament since the manga kind of implies it... just wish Oda didn't require us to zoom so much to notice. I'd really prefer if Sanji didn't use the RS anymore other than for covert missions to gather Intel. I'd like to see Sanji get stronger physically, I'd like to see his Observation become stronger... I'd like to be able to look at Sanji and say this is the guy who will defeat Kizaru not via cheap tricks, but because he's a force to be reckoned with.

Sanji having to use the RS in a way confirms what Judge said. He's all heart, but lacks the strength of a warrior. I want to see Sanji prove he's an elite fighter without having to rely on the RS. In fact, I'd rather Sanji used the RS solely to perv on women as a mockery to Germa tech as nothing more than a tool for silly purposes and actually just rely on his ability to fight to win like Garp does with his brute strength.

Some people think I hated Sanji, it's not that I do, at least my intention is simply to state facts as accurately as possible. The way things are going, I feel like once Jimbei becomes a part of the crew assuming Big Mom hasn't turned him into a Homie or killed him, I feel like Jimbei is being set to stand above Sanji at this point, and that's unfair.

I could be wrong, but damn Oda's poor portrayal of Sanji. The nosebleeding in Fishman Island... like it's funny, but common. If Oda's going to make him such a gag, at least make him just as formidable to justify and balance things out.

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To be fair, I would say the fact that he's put on the suit is not so much a disguise, but it questions his identity. I doubt Hawkins or Drake would know about a character who fought with a combat suit on. More so, it's not like anyone knows that Sanji is from East blue. You're right it's not really a disguise, but it's not something that can currently be associated with Sanji. Even if Page One says he's blonde, but fights with a combat suit, it still wouldn't sound like Sanji.

Also, unless Oda has Sanji's next fight prove that he's grown significantly stronger by showcasing his Black Armament and having his opponents actually show some sort of fear or respect for his power, it won't justify Sanji's confidence in using something that he's never used before without a back-up plan right after Law said don't engage unless you can be certain of a quick victory and no injuries. He also did say he was just testing it out, so hopefully, that suggests he is able to defeat Page One.

I do agree though, the execution is not great.

Idk who your referring as 'most', but from how I seen it, the fanbase aren't against Sanji as most I seen, many on with him still, just minority from a 'certain' fanbase that been trying to downplay things more. The community isn't really that hard on Sanji as few have said.

Sanji been good in NW Saga, the issue we are talking about is the lack of fights to the finished with serious opponents which him and many Strawhats are in the same situation. He now got one with Page One as he is clearly down and nothing to really support him coming back up at all.

Not me, Hannibal, I am not the only one defending Sanji if you look past the thread. You need not take so seriously and learn to accept stances even if other disagree with you, but do with facts and logic. No offense to you, but just saying don't take it to heart.

As for RS, the execution of it and reason was solid, so Idk where you say it's bad as it make sense in the situation especially look what happened to Luffy and Zoro when their running around and their identities? Zoro is wanted heavily and Luffy is in jail. Sanji has been smart one of the Monster Trio, he won't fight for sake of fighting, he fight with logic and sense. Pretty sure it's not something that make him be weaker or that he stops training. It won't be a situation where without RS, he is helpless or weak similar to Zoro's with swords without them. It shown he can fight Page One without or with RS as shown when he first hit him, he was capable of pushing him down with ease. I hope your not reading into this too deeply on RS changing him into like that as that's not the case. He stated he use it more for disguise, not for more power as he still got power without it. All it does it give him invisibility and maybe some defense, but nothing on giving him more power and speed as that's still his own. Also doubt he use invisibility in fights too as he not one to do stuff like that when fighting someone much as shown he didn't try it again when hitting Page One once more. Invisibility will be probably use more as espionage than fighting.

Also with the theories that RS will unlock latent genes and make the suit a temporary thing as he get more power without it and won't need it anymore in the process for the stuff it has on it.

I don't think you hate Sanji, but the way your posts been haven't been clear on that especially you didn't help your case on being one of those on "I think Oda dislike/hate Sanji' over the situation which is not the case at all. Be more fair and not give into trolls (Nik87 and certain others) who state such things over Sanji's performance as it's not that bad as minority made it out to be in the end.

Also what you mean about Fishman Island part? It made sense. He been on the Okama Island for 2 years straight without no sign of women and stuck there in 'hell', so of course seeing women again would affect his body, but that was later overcome and he doesn't have the issue anymore. It's hardly that bad at all about it.

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Not gonna lie, i like the RS Design with the mask over his face, only downsite is, he cant smoke while fighting anymore.

Rankyaku would be perfect for him thats right, but the first fight from him i saw was against Mr.2. So i am really into the breakdance like swinging around his legs, Diable Jambe i never liked on the other hand. I would rather have a Rock Lee Gimmick, which boosts his speed extremly then... "i light my foot on fire".

That's why he probably want Usopp and Franky to modify it so he can smoke while using the suit if he wants.

Idk what your talking about ass Diable Jambe is a sweet move and he doesn't need to know Six Powers in everything, but I do agree on learning Rankyaku which is possible for him.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

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I think it still boosts his speed, but it's not like Sanji was slow without the suit. He's probably second fastest in the crew (after Luffy in certain modes).

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

Agreed. I just don't want the suit being integral to how he fights. I don't want it to be a thing where if the suit can't be used, then Sanji is useless. If Nami no longer has her clima-tact, she's baby food at that point. I don't want Sanji being crippled because of the suit.

Would be nice if we didn't have to view Sanji as just a cook at this point, but someone that can hold his own against the best. Rayleigh coats ship, yet we know if he gets engaged against an Admiral, he's doing fine. I would like Sanji to get that sort of perception from readers because since the pre-skip, he was always one of the 3 who could be trusted.

At the moment, Sanji seems more intelligent than he is strong, I'd like his intelligence and strength to scale up equally high and dependable.

So what if the suit is integral? A weapon of sorts is needed by sanji, as he is the only one who has fought with natural abilities I.e. not weapons/DF.
Luffys DF is advantageous one way or the other( negates some damage)
Zoro, when he blocks attacks with his sword take little to zero damage.
Sanji in the other hand takes the damage even if he blocks an attack. So I’d rather he had something that negates damage for him.
And did you take time off to learn to live sanji?

 

[nik87]

And did you take time off to learn to live sanji?

Eat Sanji, drink Sanji, breathe Sanji, live Sanji.

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

Eat Sanji, drink Sanji, breathe Sanji, live Sanji.

Then shit him out and shit on him
Pardon my French... don’t delete the post

 

[Aliocha]

I think "most" of us already know the deal with Sanji, and clearly aren't happy with how Oda is handling him. Surely, there's other things to discuss.

We've more or less agreed by majority that Oda hasn't made Sanji strong relative to his opponents since the New World, and has just misrepresented him badly in general.

There's no need to keep trying to justifying that stance to 1 person who disagrees. I'm probably the last person that should say this, but maybe we should change the topic somewhat like what would we actually like to see from Sanji? the thread has probably argued the same point for 30 chapters, lol.

Me personally, I will give Sanji the benefit of the doubt that he's now able to use Hardened Armament since the manga kind of implies it... just wish Oda didn't require us to zoom so much to notice. I'd really prefer if Sanji didn't use the RS anymore other than for covert missions to gather Intel. I'd like to see Sanji get stronger physically, I'd like to see his Observation become stronger... I'd like to be able to look at Sanji and say this is the guy who will defeat Kizaru not via cheap tricks, but because he's a force to be reckoned with.

Sanji having to use the RS in a way confirms what Judge said. He's all heart, but lacks the strength of a warrior. I want to see Sanji prove he's an elite fighter without having to rely on the RS. In fact, I'd rather Sanji used the RS solely to perv on women as a mockery to Germa tech as nothing more than a tool for silly purposes and actually just rely on his ability to fight to win like Garp does with his brute strength.

Some people think I hated Sanji, it's not that I do, at least my intention is simply to state facts as accurately as possible. The way things are going, I feel like once Jimbei becomes a part of the crew assuming Big Mom hasn't turned him into a Homie or killed him, I feel like Jimbei is being set to stand above Sanji at this point, and that's unfair.

I could be wrong, but damn Oda's poor portrayal of Sanji. The nosebleeding in Fishman Island... like it's funny, but common. If Oda's going to make him such a gag, at least make him just as formidable to justify and balance things out.

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To be fair, I would say the fact that he's put on the suit is not so much a disguise, but it questions his identity. I doubt Hawkins or Drake would know about a character who fought with a combat suit on. More so, it's not like anyone knows that Sanji is from East blue. You're right it's not really a disguise, but it's not something that can currently be associated with Sanji. Even if Page One says he's blonde, but fights with a combat suit, it still wouldn't sound like Sanji.

Also, unless Oda has Sanji's next fight prove that he's grown significantly stronger by showcasing his Black Armament and having his opponents actually show some sort of fear or respect for his power, it won't justify Sanji's confidence in using something that he's never used before without a back-up plan right after Law said don't engage unless you can be certain of a quick victory and no injuries. He also did say he was just testing it out, so hopefully, that suggests he is able to defeat Page One.

I do agree though, the execution is not great.

Dude, I just agree exactly with everything.

Sanji uses RS integrally, only confirms everything his family thought about him. In the end he's going to be a weak warrior who needs the technology of the germa to excel

So what if the suit is integral? A weapon of sorts is needed by sanji, as he is the only one who has fought with natural abilities I.e. not weapons/DF.
Luffys DF is advantageous one way or the other( negates some damage)
Zoro, when he blocks attacks with his sword take little to zero damage.
Sanji in the other hand takes the damage even if he blocks an attack. So I’d rather he had something that negates damage for him.
And did you take time off to learn to live sanji?

has been so for 900+ chapters. And many other characters without a DF based a melee fight, Garp is an example.

Making Sanji an invisible power ranger is a huge decharacterization in your fighting style. So that Oda gave him the Sky Walker if he intended to give him a floaty suit in the first place?

 

[King Moe]

Dude, I just agree exactly with everything.

Sanji uses RS integrally, only confirms everything his family thought about him. In the end he's going to be a weak warrior who needs the technology of the germa to excel



has been so for 900+ chapters. And many other characters without a DF based a melee fight, Garp is an example.

Making Sanji an invisible power ranger is a huge decharacterization in your fighting style. Alias, so that Oda gave him the Sky Walker if he intended to give him a floaty suit in the first place?

Don't think invisibility will be how he fights. He did it out of surprise, not purpose. His next attack he didn't use it. Think you guys are too quick to judge over this like he need it in a fight when he doesn't really. It also him using RS doesn't take way character when it yes for another purpose as well character development.

Also it doesn't confirmed that at all as Sanji using it for other purposes than lacking power. Just said his reasons clearly why he would use it as more disguise and spying than lacking power about it in the end.

He capable of hurting pushing PO on first hit before RS, so doubt Oda stating he is helpless without RS.

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Also now it also confirmed (Even though it was already confirmed before in NW saga) that Sanji does visibly can use Armament Haki, things can get even more interesting with his attacks as well fitting his moniker as 'Black Leg' as we probably going to see him using it more with tougher enemies especially as he bound to face a YC later on whether be Queen or King which give more reason on him fighting harder.

 

[thedude]

If he is a scabbard then it's one unknown to Kinemon and others which is highly unlikely.

What choice would he have than run if Drake and Hawkins showed up? Are you blind to that possibility?

My fanboy wishes and Zoro have nothing to do with that possibility. Like @Sachsenhesse explained, all we want is a confirmation but that seems too much to ask for from Sanji worshippers...

Moe-kun is a pro troll and I dont mind taking the bait but he is the one claiming things as facts, things we dont have confirmation for. Hold your horses until we get some confirmation but judging on factual ancient zoan recovery that was not the last we saw from PageOne.

Yeah, Moe's the troll, which is why there is a 49 page thread bashing Sanji and Zoro's is under 10 pages.

(also, you've already admitted to trolling on this topic, and said dumb things like you have to do it to knock Sanji off his "pedestal" to some fans, so there's no point pretending that you are the one being trolled)

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

So what if the suit is integral? A weapon of sorts is needed by sanji, as he is the only one who has fought with natural abilities I.e. not weapons/DF.

Sanji was never shown to need weapons. Why does that have to change? Garp doesn't need weapons. Why can't he just rely on his strength and Haki?

The suit being integral means we cannot always attribute Sanji's wins to being the better fighter.

Luffys DF is advantageous one way or the other( negates some damage)
Zoro, when he blocks attacks with his sword take little to zero damage.

Sanji didn't need to train to use the RS. It offers increase durability by default. Aside from that Invisibility. That changes things a whole lot.

Franky and Usopp though Sanji was so fast he couldn't be seen. It turns out it's nothing to do with speed, but the fact he went invisible.

Zoro and Luffy also do not get automatic boosts just because of their abilities or Swords. Give Luffy a Sword, he's not going to be great at attacking or defending, it would be useless because he hasn't trained for years to use it. Swords are only useful if you're a master at it. Zoro isn't made because of his Swords, Zoro is made because of his strength and skill with the Sword.

Luffy's DF isn't all that great because there's nothing that Luffy can do with the ability without having trained with it for close to a decade.
When Luffy first started trying to punch, he couldn't aim at all.
Even 10 years later, he still had to hold his shoulder just to land a Pistol.

Spoiler

It's only after almost a decade of practising with his ability that he could throw a Pistol without supporting his arm.

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More so, besides the ability to stretch, Luffy's Gears cannot be used if he doesn't have certain qualities:

• Stamina
• High Pain Threshold
• Strong body

As Rayleigh said about Luffy's Gear 4th which applies to all his Gears, they all put too much stress on him.

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Difference between Swordsmanship, and a DF to the Raid Suit is... the RS requires absolutely nothing to use. There are no downsides.

Luffy and Zoro on the other hand required years of training and practice.

Sanji in the other hand takes the damage even if he blocks an attack. So I’d rather he had something that negates damage for him.

That makes Sanji inferior to the others. Garp doesn't have to wear a suit to block attacks. His Haki is strong enough to protect him.

If the RS becomes central to Sanji's fighting, it means he's likely not going to be physically as strong as Zoro at the very least. At this point, I can't even say he's even as strong as Jimbei if Oda intends to keep writing him this way.

And did you take time off to learn to live sanji?

I never hated Sanji to begin with. I'm just honest about his portrayal, and I think any real fan of Sanji should be too.

What is going to happen if Sanji becomes dependent on the suit is we simply won't be able to give him as much credit as he can get if he defeated his opponents thanks to his physical abilities and Haki.

The conversation would always potentially be that he's nothing without the suit. Prior to the suit, he's getting beat, and with the suit, he's competitive. That's what it means. Just like Nami needs her clima-tact to be useful in a fight, apparently, Sanji needs something of that nature. It's a cheap way to make Sanji more effective when Oda could just make him stronger which would be far more impressive.

 

[M3J]

You guys need to shut up with calling each other trolls; it's like you just discovered the word and want to use it at every second. If you think a person's a troll, then don't respond.


In any case, I'm pretty sure the manga confirmed Sanji's hardening. Luffy and the Judge both confirmed it, at the least.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji was never shown to need weapons. Why does that have to change? Garp doesn't need weapons. Why can't he just rely on his strength and Haki?

The suit being integral means we cannot always attribute Sanji's wins to being the better fighter.



Sanji didn't need to train to use the RS. It offers increase durability by default. Aside from that Invisibility. That changes things a whole lot.

Franky and Usopp though Sanji was so fast he couldn't be seen. It turns out it's nothing to do with speed, but the fact he went invisible.

Zoro and Luffy also do not get automatic boosts just because of their abilities or Swords. Give Luffy a Sword, he's not going to be great at attacking or defending, it would be useless because he hasn't trained for years to use it. Swords are only useful if you're a master at it. Zoro isn't made because of his Swords, Zoro is made because of his strength and skill with the Sword.

Luffy's DF isn't all that great because there's nothing that Luffy can do with the ability without having trained with it for close to a decade.
When Luffy first started trying to punch, he couldn't aim at all.
Even 10 years later, he still had to hold his shoulder just to land a Pistol.

Spoiler

It's only after almost a decade of practising with his ability that he could throw a Pistol without supporting his arm.

Spoiler

More so, besides the ability to stretch, Luffy's Gears cannot be used if he doesn't have certain qualities:

• Stamina
• High Pain Threshold
• Strong body

As Rayleigh said about Luffy's Gear 4th which applies to all his Gears, they all put too much stress on him.

Spoiler

Difference between Swordsmanship, and a DF to the Raid Suit is... the RS requires absolutely nothing to use. There are no downsides.

Luffy and Zoro on the other hand required years of training and practice.



That makes Sanji inferior to the others. Garp doesn't have to wear a suit to block attacks. His Haki is strong enough to protect him.

If the RS becomes central to Sanji's fighting, it means he's likely not going to be physically as strong as Zoro at the very least. At this point, I can't even say he's even as strong as Jimbei if Oda intends to keep writing him this way.



I never hated Sanji to begin with. I'm just honest about his portrayal, and I think any real fan of Sanji should be too.

What is going to happen if Sanji becomes dependent on the suit is we simply won't be able to give him as much credit as he can get if he defeated his opponents thanks to his physical abilities and Haki.

The conversation would always potentially be that he's nothing without the suit. Prior to the suit, he's getting beat, and with the suit, he's competitive. That's what it means. Just like Nami needs her clima-tact to be useful in a fight, apparently, Sanji needs something of that nature. It's a cheap way to make Sanji more effective when Oda could just make him stronger which would be far more impressive.

That's more your opinion end of the day as RS is not showing he is helpless without it. He is a fighter overall without it and he be using RS in different way, not same as his family. Why you think he ask Usopp and Frankly to modify it? Giving more hint he isn't the same as them and sticking with it.

He made it clear he stills hate Germa and his family (Minus his mother and sister), so will use it in another manner on his terms as well.

You gotta have more trust in Oda than worse like that. Doubt it change his character and he still train himself while suit is temporary for certain aspect invisiblity is again for spying, not fighting. Page One getting hit by him in his last hit shows he not using insiviblity to get ahead.

This also doesn't make him behind any of the others at all. As I repeat, he still fights without it that your still ignoring on. Doubt Oda make him dependent of the suit 24/7 for every fight. He use for disguises or similar, but never for power. Doesn't even give him that. Its his own power as its clear the RS fit more spying nature on its uses.

So he can compare to Zoro and stronger than Jimbei end if the day.

Also Zoro's swords are graded and special. Why create graded system like that if their just 'swords'? Kinda do add to his power one could say as without them, he can't fight. Though its clear he has skills to use it and train with them too as same with RS as just having doesn't mean your stronger than someone. Cause Sanji without RS defeated Yonji with RS and gave trouble to Judge to force him to use inteferance in the fight.

Even if Oda (which he doesn't), want to make RS last, it won't realistically as sooner or later Sanji will have fights without it and it can damage with strong enough force one day. Though regardless he only use it for purposes on something else, not for fighting unless disguises are needed. That what separate him more from the family who are more dependent on theirs, so to still keep differences between them.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Also Zoro's swords are graded and special. Why create graded system like that if their just 'swords'?

Imo, good point... :3

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Not like the grade would matter anymore combatwise now, since swords can be hakicoated.

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

What is going to happen if Sanji becomes dependent on the suit is we simply won't be able to give him as much credit as he can get if he defeated his opponents thanks to his physical abilities and Haki.

The same way, if zoro defeats his next opponent after acquiring a higher grade sword?