Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[nik87]

Nah, not really. Your in your own world if you think Sanji is hated that much. I been hearing, but nothing on positivity and wanted to see him around more. What forums you check cause on Youtube, Reddit, Orojackson, Twitter, etc. are positive for Sanji. Your either checking small groups like ours or something as majority when it's not. Got get your facts right.

Yes, really. No one is talking about hate. I speak about criticism. Two different things.
How could someone as biased as you spot negative criticism about Sanji? Every platform you listed criticizes Sanji the most of all characters in One Piece.

 

[King Moe]

Yes, really. No one is talking about hate. I speak about criticism. Two different things.
How could someone as biased as you spot negative criticism about Sanji? Every platform you listed criticizes Sanji the most of all characters in One Piece.

Ehh, hardly much criticism especially in this arc. The 'fanservice' in last chapter is hardly anything to get riled on when OP is known for fanservice for a long time now and probably won't be last either. I seen them and not heavily at all. Your overstating how much honestly and right now Zoro is big talks on his performance on what I seen.

 

[M3J]

Didn't mean it like that, just that he is a proficent guy who usually get the job done, but couldn't knock down Sanji as he doesn't leave people alive or still moving. Not as the main reason, but one of them.

That's because he chose to focus on something more important, just as Sanji did. You're implying that he ran because he couldn't knock down Sanji.

 

[King Moe]

That's because he chose to focus on something more important, just as Sanji did. You're implying that he ran because he couldn't knock down Sanji.

Again, not as sole reason. I said mixture of a lot of things from poison gas, got to get Law, unable to also knock down Sanji and was wasting time, etc.. Not implying he was he main reason at all.

 

[thedude]

He going to face an YC later on as now it's more confirmed he defeated PO (Was already confirmed the moment he came back unscathed), YC is the only struggle I can see him taking and if so, it puts him high up there to many others. He was already a bit stronger than Jimbei prior, but now the distance is gaining wider around that more. Jimbei would obviously be apart of the YC Commanders of the Strawhats, but he won't be above Monster Trio or even apart of it, so Luffy, Sanji, and Zoro still above him even his addition.

while i do think it's likely he takes on a YC this arc (although no guarantees with Oda...but he already beat PO, so I'm not sure anything else is satisfying. Maybe Drake since he's a Supernova?), I'm going to say that Jimbei is only weaker than Luffy, and maybe not even. He was shown to be a monster more than once, so I'm not sure Sanji or Zoro are as strong as him just yet.

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Sanji is really a specific topic and I think the criticism of his character and his feats will never end.
Sanji gets so much panel time and does absolutely nothing, seriously, tons of panels are wasted on Sanji's shenanigans.
I would rather have Chopper, Franky, Usopp, Brook, Jinbe and Zoro have half the panel time that Sanji has because I know they would actually do something useful with it. Even Nami and Robin who get crumbs of panel time make it worth it.
It's basically become annoying, especially having to deal with some ridiculous headcanon about anything involving Sanji and it even ruins those rare moments when Sanji actually looks good.

You know you are asking for it with comments like this lol. What does Zoro do with his panel time? Get lost and get his swords stolen or take a nap?

(i'm not saying panels are wasted on Zoro...but if you want to play that game, you being a huge Zoro fanboy, you open yourself up to that. also, as the guy who said a girl offering Zoro a glass of water meant that the people of Wano wanted him to be the new Shogun...stop mocking people for "headcannon"....)

 

[XXGenesis]

And yet by that rule though, he would have won but not without taking significant damage.

but you're listing/talking about his inability to take down Sanji as the main reason when we don't even know how the fight would go.


Problem is, there seems to be no fact.

I've noticed you are contrarian to many ppl perspective. You argue for the hell of it eh....

Not directed at you M3J: I don't reply to insects I don't, understand them.

@nik87 Having you here is really comfortable LoL. Its just good know everybody hasn't gone crazy, or just super biased.

Topics that have been beaten to alternate realities...Sanji VS Vergo…...Who would win back at PH?? only biased ppl think he would win..Why do I call them biased they deliver no argument, nor is there one because Sanji doesn't have fighting feats after this, that can give a reasonable argument to him winning.

Sanji leaving the crew....Sanji beating up on Luffy……..His effectiveness during WCI.... Overall him leaving the crew, I personally don't like that he didn't challenge Capone before being blackmailed. Sanji beating up Luffy was stupid stupid..o so stupid...…,

What effectiveness, the Cake builder, this is what Sanji was reduced to. While Usopp has turned into a God, Nami supports Luffy during a big fight & gains a power up through her own ingenuity of character, Robin if i'm honest Robin hasn't done anything yet besides protect Rebecca, Brook low key MVP of WCI, Chopper helps children and saves ppl of Zou showed enough growth can't say he hasn't done anything, Franky developed Sunny Thousand & it's multiple units of land & sea, held back against Senor Pink making it strictly physical match when he has a laser beam & other multiple arsenal against, Jimbei rescued Luffy & Nami plus is former crew contributed to their escape in a very big way. Zoro as owned hody, Owned Monet & owned Pica,the dude by many haters perspective needs a humbling, I say he needs somebody strong to struggle against.

 

[M3J]

Are you calling me an insect?

 

[King Moe]

while i do think it's likely he takes on a YC this arc (although no guarantees with Oda...but he already beat PO, so I'm not sure anything else is satisfying. Maybe Drake since he's a Supernova?), I'm going to say that Jimbei is only weaker than Luffy, and maybe not even. He was shown to be a monster more than once, so I'm not sure Sanji or Zoro are as strong as him just yet.

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You know you are asking for it with comments like this lol. What does Zoro do with his panel time? Get lost and get his swords stolen or take a nap?

(i'm not saying panels are wasted on Zoro...but if you want to play that game, you being a huge Zoro fanboy, you open yourself up to that. also, as the guy who said a girl offering Zoro a glass of water meant that the people of Wano wanted him to be the new Shogun...stop mocking people for "headcannon"....)

Doubt there big difference between Drake and Page One. Feel YC is to go more than another Top 6 member.

Jimbei is a monster, but don't see him that above there against them especially as Sanji and Zoro defeat their top tier opponents, they be more above Jimbei more as we yet to see much feats on NW that Jimbei has shown he is truly above them. Though I can agree he is next strongest after them.

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I've noticed you are contrarian to many ppl perspective. You argue for the hell of it eh....

Not directed at you M3J: I don't reply to insects I don't, understand them.

@nik87 Having you here is really comfortable LoL. Its just good know everybody hasn't gone crazy, or just super biased.

Topics that have been beaten to alternate realities...Sanji VS Vergo…...Who would win back at PH?? only biased ppl think he would win..Why do I call them biased they deliver no argument, nor is there one because Sanji doesn't have fighting feats after this, that can give a reasonable argument to him winning.

Sanji leaving the crew....Sanji beating up on Luffy……..His effectiveness during WCI.... Overall him leaving the crew, I personally don't like that he didn't challenge Capone before being blackmailed. Sanji beating up Luffy was stupid stupid..o so stupid...…,

What effectiveness, the Cake builder, this is what Sanji was reduced to. While Usopp has turned into a God, Nami supports Luffy during a big fight & gains a power up through her own ingenuity of character, Robin if i'm honest Robin hasn't done anything yet besides protect Rebecca, Brook low key MVP of WCI, Chopper helps children and saves ppl of Zou showed enough growth can't say he hasn't done anything, Franky developed Sunny Thousand & it's multiple units of land & sea, held back against Senor Pink making it strictly physical match when he has a laser beam & other multiple arsenal against, Jimbei rescued Luffy & Nami plus is former crew contributed to their escape in a very big way. Zoro as owned hody, Owned Monet & owned Pica,the dude by many haters perspective needs a humbling, I say he needs somebody strong to struggle against.

Sanji performance been fine and his fights for mist of them can go his way. You and few others overreact on that especially now he defeated PO. Idk your desire on not seeing him strong and character development as his reasons and doing the cake were important. Your really not trying to understand situation and trying to force it bad when its not. He is doing great on his traits than Zoro's case as neither opponent can compare to opponents Luffy and Sanji faced. They were challenges, Zoro's were true weaklings. Every time he try facing serious ones, he gets drop hard. He is more overhype than truly accurate than you guys want to say.

 

[XXGenesis]

Are you calling me an insect?

Can you read? Or did you read it? If you feel like 1 thats ya business....



Sanji has an imbecile cheering him on. I really can't. Dodging the hell outta Sanji threads, this shit here is bonkers. Would of thought Itachi, Minato or Escanor was in this manga the way ppl are carrying on. SMFH, I've never seen this before with One Piece its sickening.

 

[thedude]

Can you read? Or did you read it? If you feel like 1 thats ya business....



Sanji has an imbecile cheering him on. I really can't. Dodging the hell outta Sanji threads, this shit here is bonkers. Would of thought Itachi, Minato or Escanor was in this manga the way ppl are carrying on. SMFH, I've never seen this before with One Piece its sickening.

I like that you find one person defending a character they like "sickening", and not the half dozen people obsessed with knocking him down. Hell, i like that you find any of it sickening.

 

[nik87]

You know you are asking for it with comments like this lol. What does Zoro do with his panel time? Get lost and get his swords stolen or take a nap?

(i'm not saying panels are wasted on Zoro...but if you want to play that game, you being a huge Zoro fanboy, you open yourself up to that. also, as the guy who said a girl offering Zoro a glass of water meant that the people of Wano wanted him to be the new Shogun...stop mocking people for "headcannon"....)

Well, when was panel time with Zoro a wasted time? Maybe during the Okobore food stealing time because he did absolutely nothing and that's within 1 chapter. Everything else was actually something useful. He has been doing the Vice-Captain business during PH and Zou telling Luffy to get a grip and not to mess around with another Yonko. During Dressrosa he had stopped one of the guys who was the most troublesome. There was a wasted panel time during DR when they all decided to push the Plotcage, stupid decision from Oda to use a fresh Zoro for something like that instead of going after Doffy and lending Luffy a hand, however, panels spent on Zoro pushing it are very few. He sat out an entire Yonko arc and now for the good part of Wano he probably had the least panel time of all SHs.
His sword getting stolen was off-panel so no panels wasted there and that sub-plot is not wasted. If you remember, people who were finding the letters from Kinemon said they had no weapons and would fight even barehanded and oh, look, Zoro found a guy who has lots of weapons. Turned out very useful.

Hahaha, you want to stick it to me with that theory of mine but you can't, because it's a theory. I am reaching and stretching with it but its a theory, something that may or may not happen in the future.
Things I call Moe out on being headcanon are things that already happened, we all know why. We all know the reason why Vergo left, only Moe is fanboying about it. Whether PageOne is defeated or not, I don't know, it has no confirmation. That's not headcanon, it's a fact. Once it gets confirmation there will be no problem with it but likely will open more questions about it if not shown how it played out.

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Sanji, on the other hand, has lots of panel time which is wasted and boring and barely does anything. When was he saving the crew before with food?
The cake never needed to happen. It's just stupid and boring. There were so many options to deal with WCI ending and would have been far better.

 

[XXGenesis]

I like that you find one person defending a character they like "sickening", and not the half dozen people obsessed with knocking him down. Hell, i like that you find any of it sickening.

In the manner they carry themselves it is.
I like how many points are glanced over and one line is picked out..Guess you guys are giving ground to the rest of the argument and paying attention to the B.S or juss contradicting yourselves there after...

Zoro has nothing to do with a Sanji discussion...Aside from Rivarly, & fair comparison because they aren't that comparable anyway.

If you have to kick up dust on Zoro, which its all bull anyway..it proves a insecurity as a fan about Sanji....Neither have gotten a good juicy 1 v 1 fight yet. While Luffy has had 3...Either way if you compare character treatment from the author Zoro is still dumb just like Luffy; But he's been bad ass & has faired well enough against an Admiral without a power up yet..Hawkins showdown shows Zoro is about As strong as a Supernova captain. It's not fans fault all Sanji has is a speed feat against Oven whom, I'm sure he can't beat at WCI arc. & then his fight is nerf'd leaving Sanji again with little page time having feats.

Anyways, i dont care for the fanatic perspective here. It's unattractive and makes Sanji in relation from a fans point even more unattractive. When in all reality, everyone loves all the SH & their uniqueness. Grounded fans are just waiting on Sanji's big moment. He's been getting treated real good in Wano, getting a lot of screen time, but short panel feats. He's gonna do something clutch for sure.

On that note Fan boys have fun chasing your tail.

 

[nik87]

Jimbei is a monster, but don't see him that above there against them especially as Sanji and Zoro defeat their top tier opponents, they be more above Jimbei more as we yet to see much feats on NW that Jimbei has shown he is truly above them. Though I can agree he is next strongest after them.

Jinbe is a Shichibukai, one of the strongest among them.
Since when are Zoro and Sanji above a Shichibukai when not so long ago, back at Dressrosa, Luffy struggled a lot against another Shichibukai and needed tons of help and his strongest move so far to put him down for good.
If Jinbe has water at his disposal, he could probably put up a decent fight even against an Emperor. What puts Zoro and especially Sanji above Jinbe?

 

[Takuan]

Jinbe is a Shichibukai, one of the strongest among them.
Since when are Zoro and Sanji above a Shichibukai when not so long ago, back at Dressrosa, Luffy struggled a lot against another Shichibukai and needed tons of help and his strongest move so far to put him down for good.
If Jinbe has water at his disposal, he could probably put up a decent fight even against an Emperor. What puts Zoro and especially Sanji above Jinbe?

Ehh, i don't think i agree with that. Jimbe isn't one of the strongest Shichibukai.
He proved to be stronger than Moria but that's about it. Imo Jimbe is weaker than Doffy, Hancock, Kuma, Mihawk, and now probably Weevil too. I'd say he's on the weaker end of the Shichibukai. Or i should say, mid tier (since i mean, weak tier of Shichibukai is Buggy, Moria and the likes).
I would say Jimbe is around Law level; Law as a Shichibukai was good, but not high tier.
Luffy struggled against, arguably, one of the strongest Shichibukai (alongside Mihawk and possibly Kuma, though without his brain i don't know where he stands). Can't be compared with Jimbe, who got one shot by Mihawk.

 

[nik87]

Ehh, i don't think i agree with that. Jimbe isn't one of the strongest Shichibukai.
He proved to be stronger than Moria but that's about it. Imo Jimbe is weaker than Doffy, Hancock, Kuma, Mihawk, and now probably Weevil too. I'd say he's on the weaker end of the Shichibukai. Or i should say, mid tier (since i mean, weak tier of Shichibukai is Buggy, Moria and the likes).
I would say Jimbe is around Law level; Law as a Shichibukai was good, but not high tier.
Luffy struggled against, arguably, one of the strongest Shichibukai (alongside Mihawk and possibly Kuma, though without his brain i don't know where he stands). Can't be compared with Jimbe, who got one shot by Mihawk.

Well, Jinbe is at huge disadvantage against Mihawk, especially since Mihawk is someone who is paired with a Yonko Shanks, he is a wild card.
I think Jinbe is incredibly strong physically. Moriah was no challenge at all, I think Jinbe would beat Crocodile, I think he would stand a good chance against Kuma, especially if he has some water at disposal. He is physically more powerful than Hancock and probably can take her out but her kicks turning body parts into stone may present a problem. Weevil is super hyped and has a sharp weapon, yeah Jinbe would come shorter here most likely.
I think he would fare quite well against Doffy, if he didnt lose his arm against a slice from Big Mom I think Doffy's slicing techniques would be almost useless against Jinbe and with water around he would beat Doffy's awakening.
I think Jinbe is one of the most underestimated characters.

 

[Takuan]

Well, Jinbe is at huge disadvantage against Mihawk, especially since Mihawk is someone who is paired with a Yonko Shanks, he is a wild card.
I think Jinbe is incredibly strong physically. Moriah was no challenge at all, I think Jinbe would beat Crocodile, I think he would stand a good chance against Kuma, especially if he has some water at disposal. He is physically more powerful than Hancock and probably can take her out but her kicks turning body parts into stone may present a problem. Weevil is super hyped and has a sharp weapon, yeah Jinbe would come shorter here most likely.
I think he would fare quite well against Doffy, if he didnt lose his arm against a slice from Big Mom I think Doffy's slicing techniques would be almost useless against Jinbe and with water around he would beat Doffy's awakening.
I think Jinbe is one of the most underestimated characters.

He's getting raped by Mihawk indeed. Moria is a scrub by current standards and even pre-timeskip, he wasn't as good as the other Shichibukais. Crocodile has no feats, of course Jimbe currently beats him, everyone trashes Crocodile until we see more of him.
Doffy, you think Jimbe can beat Doffy? How is Jimbe breaking out of strings? It required Gear 4 for Luffy to break out of it. It can immobilize Jozu. You think Jimbe is as strong physically as Gear 4th Luffy and Jozu?
Nah dude, Jimbe ain't beating Doflamingo. Nor does he beat Kuma tbh, this guy is a machine (no pun intended). He's not touching him ever, due to Kuma's DF. (again, talking about thriller Bark, not Marineford or generally, not when he has no brain).
Hancock as you say, can turn him into stone or just kick him and turn his body parts into stone. is Jimbe fast enough to evade being hit by Hancock? He has no speed feat, whereas Hancock seems way more agile. Though i agree he is physically more powerful.

I think you overestimate Jimbe. However, i'll be fair, i'm aware of thinking little of Jimbe usually. I remember PM conversations with mah boi Emperor Spriggan, when we discussed several charactersor power levels in OP. It seemed i was being too critical on Jimbe indeed.
But i feel like it's not the case anymore, i acknowledge he's pretty strong. But still, there are a lot of pretty strong characters, Jimbe isn't above them all. In particular, i truly believe Jimbe not to be in the high tier of Shichibukais.

 

[King Moe]

In the manner they carry themselves it is.
I like how many points are glanced over and one line is picked out..Guess you guys are giving ground to the rest of the argument and paying attention to the B.S or juss contradicting yourselves there after...

Zoro has nothing to do with a Sanji discussion...Aside from Rivarly, & fair comparison because they aren't that comparable anyway.

If you have to kick up dust on Zoro, which its all bull anyway..it proves a insecurity as a fan about Sanji....Neither have gotten a good juicy 1 v 1 fight yet. While Luffy has had 3...Either way if you compare character treatment from the author Zoro is still dumb just like Luffy; But he's been bad ass & has faired well enough against an Admiral without a power up yet..Hawkins showdown shows Zoro is about As strong as a Supernova captain. It's not fans fault all Sanji has is a speed feat against Oven whom, I'm sure he can't beat at WCI arc. & then his fight is nerf'd leaving Sanji again with little page time having feats.

Anyways, i dont care for the fanatic perspective here. It's unattractive and makes Sanji in relation from a fans point even more unattractive. When in all reality, everyone loves all the SH & their uniqueness. Grounded fans are just waiting on Sanji's big moment. He's been getting treated real good in Wano, getting a lot of screen time, but short panel feats. He's gonna do something clutch for sure.

On that note Fan boys have fun chasing your tail.

You guys are the ones who bring Zoro up especially you Genesis, so I don't think you can get to talk when your guilty on bringing him in even now.

Nothing wrong with Sanji and so far by community, he is getting a lot of love in Wano arc and many are excited for it. While Zoro is getting fans especially Zoro fans upset as he isn't going as 'hype' as they all thought he was going for. Idk where you said there are insecurities or that we have no logic when you guys are proving it more on disregarding crucial facts more.

Also dude?....Seriously? Zoro did shit agains Fujitora and didn't fair well at all. Where you get that idea he can handle an Admiral? Now your overhyping him again as usual. Luffy and Sabo get more fight out of him compare to Zoro who got slammed easily by his gravity. Zoro also didn't do much with Hawkins as he failed to get the best of him in a fight and got damage out of it while Hawkins was calm and normal over the situation. Not doubting his power as a Supernova, but it wasn't not 'cut' (No-pun intended) and 'dry' as your trying to enforce more about it. Zoro kinda being lacking hard on facing a serious challenge and which why it's continuing even now as of late.

Sanji isn't just speed. He got power as shown who he has face and hold back. Now he defeated Page One, a Top 6 Headliner easily without much problem. Idk where you getting he is not powerful and all speed. Your now enforcing detraction by biased points than reality points Oda is doing. His character doesn't take away how strong he is and I think your overstretching about it more. He is doing great even in short moments, but it's still good enough as you look at other character's moments especially Zoro who gets more off-screen doing things as well short moments more and more.

I think your judging on the wrong aspects if you think Sanji is not having his fair share as lately he is probably the most hype character in the arc along with his RS as many fans want to see more out of it.

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What has Jimbei done lately in NW he is stronger than them especially Monster Trio? His only feats is sharing one with Sanji and defeating that cream DF user, but not much else (No I am not counting the Big Mom's hit cause that was her in a lesser state. If he hit her badly while full power, then we can put him highly above). So far Sanji proving he is above after his latest win on Page One and Zoro is now handling that Benkin guy, but can't really determine his power lvl as Idk if is as strong or stronger than the regular Headliners or more. Though from how this arc is shaping up, if both of them defeat their final fight opponents, they would be way above Jimbei on feats and probably power too. Until we see more out of Jimbei, I can't honestly put him at stronger than them especially Luffy who has shown a lot more than him and plus his G4.

 

[nik87]

@Takuan I understand where your arguments about Jinbe come from. He wasnt treated the best, probably the worst treatment among the Shichibukai if we exclude Moriah. Even his own power may be working against Jinbe since he is supposed to join Strawhats and it makes no sense that someone stronger than Luffy joins or that he leaves Zoro and Sanji in the dust, which I think he currently does. He may be at disadvantage against Zoro due to the same issue as with Mihawk but he is without a doubt stronger physically and with his water techniques could take Zoro out.

You know I value Crocodile and I think he is incredibly strong but still, I place Jinbe above him.
Against Kuma, Jinbe has aoe shockwave techniques which I think Kuma cant repel and even tho he is partly machine he is also made of human flesh which can be affected by Jinbe's techniques. Also, I doubt the paw's can repel water as it is a weakness for any DF. If Sanji's kick was able to break the neck of a pacifista then I am sure Jinbe can injure Kuma's body as well. Also, yes, I mean TB Kuma and I think it would be a hard fight.
Hancock's move of turning people into stone was always a fodder move and never affected anyone seriously so I am not sure how it would do against Jinbe. He can hit her from distance with his techniques and his CoA is probably strong enough to resist turning into stone when kicked by her.
Against Doffy... Parasite string and binding Luffy only worked when Luffy was beaten on ground, he has yet to bind anyone fresh like that. Parasite string more seemed like a plot element without too much appliance. I think Jinbe's CoA is quite better than Doffy's so if he takes any damage from Doffy's techniques it's minimal. With water around he can literally copy Doffy's awakening moves and neutralize them. Vagabond drill is something I imagine that would hurt Doffy quite a bit.

Spoiler: fishmen karate ranged techniques

They are all strong individuals and it's hard to say for sure which one would win unless there is a clear disadvantage from match-up.

What has Jimbei done lately in NW he is stronger than them especially Monster Trio?

Vagabond Drill to push back weakened Emperor and Shark skin to block a flaming sword attack from the same Emperor.
What has Sanji done in NW that puts him above Jinbe, which feats specifically? There are no feats in the clash with PageOne with 4 basic hits exchange so if you list that as feats sorry but those arent feats. For all we know P1 and Opera may be similar power level and Jinbe took his opponent in one hit.

 

[King Moe]

@Takuan Vagabond Drill to push back weakened Emperor and Shark skin to block a flaming sword attack from the same Emperor.
What has Sanji done in NW that puts him above Jinbe, which feats specifically? There are no feats in the clash with PageOne with 4 basic hits exchange so if you list that as feats sorry but those arent feats. For all we know P1 and Opera may be similar power level and Jinbe took his opponent in one hit.

When Big Mom at full power, let me know how he fares. Until then, not counting it as feat, sorry. Please take your biased away from me if your not counting him defeating PO not feat. I am not gonna waste my time in a circle again around you. Also I don't think PO is at that lvl when is refered to as Top 6 Headliners. Was Opera ever refer to being on par with Oven, Daifuku, Perospero, etc.?

Nice trolling as usual, so now let's be serious here. Jimbei is below them until we see him defeat someone notable, Yonko not at full power is no feat, no matter how you push it and she even shrugged off the attack and came back fighting. You act like he defeated her from the attack lol.

 

[nik87]

When Big Mom at full power, let me know how he fares. Until then, not counting it as feat, sorry. Please take your biased away from me if your not counting him defeating PO not feat. I am not gonna waste my time in a circle again around you. Also I don't think PO is at that lvl when is refered to as Top 6 Headliners. Was Opera ever refer to being on par with Oven, Daifuku, Perospero, etc.?

Nice trolling as usual, so now let's be serious here. Jimbei is below them until we see him defeat someone notable, Yonko not at full power is no feat, no matter how you push it and she even shrugged off the attack and came back fighting. You act like he defeated her from the attack lol.

Even though weakened, she was still the strongest individual in the entire arc and that feat from Jinbe is better than what anyone else did. When Sanji does something similar let me know.
I dont care about your bias about Sanji vs P1, the ending of that fight has no confirmation. It's a fact and stop wasting my time by going into circles.
There are only 4 hits total exchange in that entire fight from what we saw and the only feat we saw is that Sanji lost in power struggle when they clashed against each other and was smacked through half a city. That is the only feat we can actually use from that entire fight.
PageOne may be one of the top 6 headliners but it was never stated that he was strongest or weakest. Same for Opera, he may be one of the top 6 under commanders, he doesnt need to be on the level of Perospero, Daifuku and Oven and he can still be one of the top 6 under commanders.

Feat wise Jinbe is easily above Sanji and possibly above Zoro as well.