Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[afromarco005]

Oh you think I'm a Sanji fan boy and want him to stay at the top of the crew? lol.

I hate to break it to you but I'm not much of a Sanji fan. Feel free to look back on my comments. I was trolling about Sanji's bounty being Higher than Zoro's, that's all.

You wont find a single post about me claiming Sanji is over Jinbe or Zoro.

I was simply asking of the Monster Trio would shift because of Jinbe's induction into the crew. That's it.

There was no deeper meaning nor did I claim Sanji was any stronger than either of the other members of the Monster Trio.

I mean, you could have just answered the question. You claim I'm taking this too seriously, but your the one who brought semantics into this.

Even if Monster Trio was fanmade, it would be talked about among FANS. Me and you are FANS so you'd think it's be discussed.


So how about I make you happy and reframe the question so your feelings dont get hurt....

"Many fans consider Luffy, Zoro, and Sanji as the Monster Trio (a fan made title to describe the 3 strongest Strawhats. With Jinbe's having officially joined, does the dynamic of this Monster Trio change at all? Are you expecting Sanji's raid suit to maintain Sanji within the Monster Trio or do you think Jinbe usurps that role since he is an Ex Shichibukai?"

There. That shouldn't hurt your feeling at all.

Now let's get back on topic and answer the question.

When did I call you a fanboy?

I was talking in general not to you specifically.

I merely said that M3 was a fanmade designation nothing more

the "monster trio" thing was a one time joke way back in the grand line saga. This is not an official designation and no one in the manga refers to luffy zoro or sanji as part of the monster trio outside of this one joke. I never understood why the fandom thought that the monster trio was

Isn't it Yami who said that it was canon and went out of his way to search for raws etc? And isnt it him too who claimed that Sanji was stronger than Jimbe ?

To answer your question I like the second option better.

Luffy on top as the pirate king and his 3 strongest subordinates Zoro Jimbe and Sanji, it sounds good and mirrors the yonko and their commanders for future battles.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Completely seperate topic.

If One Piece as a manga is revisited in the future (after its end) does anyone see Sanji leading the Germa 66 as its Commander? Of course if Judge isn't around and Sanji proves to be stronger than Reiju, Ichiji, and Niji? Sanji has a bond with his sister and was thought highly enough for them to waste a raid suit on someone they supposedly detest

If so, that would make Luffy far more OP than ever considered before. His top 3 Commanders would be

Zoro "Worlds Strongest Swordsman
Jinbe "World's Strongest Fishman"
Sanji "Supreme Commander of Germa 66"

 

[nik87]

Sanji "Supreme Chef of Germa 66"

There fixed it for you.
If Oda wants he can present him as a queer ruler of Kamabaka Kingdom as well but Sanji's character expressed no desire of ruling in any way.
The only thing I can see him being competitive in is some cooking contest. There was a cooking contest already in Anime but not sure if that was cannon.

 

[Pirate Queen]

He will be a high ranking Commander in Luffy's Grand Fleet eventually, same with all the others as they will be the core members of the Pirate King's Crew.

What I'm saying just adds to that.

Like Reiju can command Germa 66 while Sanji sails with Luffy, but if Germa is called upon Sanji takes command.

Im talking in far future after their role as the Pirate Kings Crew is settled.

Fuck it, or a crew of Okama's. I know you meant it as somewhat of a joke but few Okama's are incredibly OP like Ivan and Morley. Potential is there

 

[afromarco005]

Completely seperate topic.

If One Piece as a manga is revisited in the future (after its end) does anyone see Sanji leading the Germa 66 as its Commander? Of course if Judge isn't around and Sanji proves to be stronger than Reiju, Ichiji, and Niji? Sanji has a bond with his sister and was thought highly enough for them to waste a raid suit on someone they supposedly detest

If so, that would make Luffy far more OP than ever considered before. His top 3 Commanders would be

Zoro "Worlds Strongest Swordsman
Jinbe "World's Strongest Fishman"
Sanji "Supreme Commander of Germa 66"

I love this idea, I think it would also mean that the siblings would be cured from their lack of emotions. I can't see Sanji working with them otherwise

The Jimbe Zoro Sanji as Luffy commander is more likely the more I think about it.

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

Smh, this much denial.

For the record, i am not that much of a Sanju fan. I trust in the DB, which say that Sanji has 5/6 in strength while Luffy and Zoro have 6/6 strength.

I am just not dumb enough to ignore 920+ chapters in which Oda separated the M3 from the rest, in terms of strength.

One of the many preTS scenes:

Spoiler

Post TS with Jinbei included:

Spoiler

Another thing, i can't wait for Jinbei to mirror Scopper Gaban since both are the 3rd strongest.

(Gol.D > SilverS > sCopper = metal theme trio in the PK crew)

 

[afromarco005]

He will be a high ranking Commander in Luffy's Grand Fleet eventually, same with all the others as they will be the core members of the Pirate King's Crew.

What I'm saying just adds to that.

Like Reiju can command Germa 66 while Sanji sails with Luffy, but if Germa is called upon Sanji takes command.

Im talking in far future after their role as the Pirate Kings Crew is settled.

Fuck it, or a crew of Okama's. I know you meant it as somewhat of a joke but few Okama's are incredibly OP like Ivan and Morley. Potential is there

Sanji accepting that part of himself like he did his wanted poster

Spoiler

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji accepting that part of himself like he did his wanted poster

Spoiler

Yeah, I just feel like (If Big Mom didnt decimate the Germa 66) the potential for Sanji to at least form a relationship with his brothers is there if they can find a way to reverse there lack of emotions.

It's a real shame Sanji didnt fight Ichiji because I would have loved to see which was the strongest of the 2. Without Raid Suit I'm sure Sanji would have come up short.

I want Sanji's Raid Suit to enhance his speed and tanking ability. That honestly would be enough for me to be happy with it.

Another route is that Sanji uses the Raid Suit and it STILL comes up short and he finds it within himself to grow with his own skills


Either option would be optimal for me personally.

 

[afromarco005]

Yeah, I just feel like (If Big Mom didnt decimate the Germa 66) the potential for Sanji to at least form a relationship with his brothers is there if they can find a way to reverse there lack of emotions.

It's a real shame Sanji didnt fight Ichiji because I would have loved to see which was the strongest of the 2. Without Raid Suit I'm sure Sanji would have come up short.

I want Sanji's Raid Suit to enhance his speed and tanking ability. That honestly would be enough for me to be happy with it.

Another route is that Sanji uses the Raid Suit and it STILL comes up short and he finds it within himself to grow with his own skills


Either option would be optimal for me personally.

My optimal scenario would be Sanji facing a strong opponent (ex Jack or Queen) that leads him to use some new techniques he learned during the 2 years training but that would still not be enough so he decides to use the raid suit but he doesnt know how to use its powers (after all he hasn't trained with it at all) and still lose until the suit's chemicals activate some type of dormant power within Sanji that boosts him up tremendously and then he wins.

This would mean sanji won with his own power and still has potential to grow stronger via mastering the raid suit abilities.

But knowing Oda he will just troll Sanji some more and make the raid suit a gag

 

[Pirate Queen]

I personally do not think strawhats will ever form fleet with commanders. I think its obvious they like to travel together as a small group.

They already have Fleet Commanders dude.

7 of them.

The Main Strawhat Crew on the Thousand Sunny is just the Flag Ship that will lead the entire fleet.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You know what i meant.

Clearly I didnt if my response didnt address your post.

Clarify instead of being condescending

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

do you think sanji would catch up to zoro's level with raid suit?

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

do you think sanji would catch up to zoro's level with raid suit?

If they both beat King and Queen respectively, I would put them in the same ballpark...

Just like in EL.

 

[Pirate Queen]

do you think sanji would catch up to zoro's level with raid suit?

3 Things here:

1) We don't know Zoro's max yet

2)Sanji's combat portal has ranged from getting trolled to clashing with several Yonko's crew and hasn't had a solid 1 v 1 fight to the end.

3) Even with Raid Suits the Germa siblings were fodder compared to Big Mom's Commanders


If Sanji and Zoro take out a Yonko Commander each, they are damn near more equal than I give Sanji credit for.

Would we consider Sanji weaker than Zoro regardless because the raid suit is a "cheat" for Sanji? I wouldn't.

That raid suit is no different than Sanji eating a df.


I'm going to guess that the Raid Suit will make Sanji=Zoro

BUT base Sanji will never reach Zoro without the suit.

Luffy
Zoro = Raid Suit Sanji
Sanji

I predict the order of strongest to weakest stays the same. This is a baseless prediction on my part.

Zoro actually has a reason to strive to get stronger. Mihawk is his goal. Sanji doesnt have a goal like that. Zoro NEEDS to be the best Swordsman to beat Mihawk.

Sanji just needs to be incredibly strong, not the best kicker in the world.

If the 2 were mortal enemies and it was Raid Suit Sanji vs Zoro... Edge goes to zoro, high diff (baseless prediction because we dont know Raid Suit capabilities)

 

[nik87]

I dont think that raid suit is a cheat, its totally legit but its sad that Sanji's power-up had to come from something that wasnt there before but that could have been predicted for someone who only uses his legs in combat and is not monstrously strong like, for example, Garp.

Raid suit will allow Sanji to beat opponents of the same tier that Zoro is taking on but if he will be equal to Zoro, i dont think he ever will be, unless the suit allows him diamond grade hardness to nullify Zoro's cutting techniques. Even Luffy is in danger when facing Zoro and i think, if Oda ever decides to put the two against each other, Luffy will lose.

I hope if Queen gets paired against Sanji that he has at least the durability of Jack and all Sanji attacks have 0 effect so he finally has the opportunity to improve or show something new with far more destructive power.
Speaking of Jack, during his attack on Zunisha the supporting ships had a scorpion on the front... Maybe that could be Queen's DF but i still hope for Hippo.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

i myself prefer sanji to be the one who ate ace's df, rather than the ripoff of ace

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

nice try sanji fans
sanji name is not based on satan, it's based on naruto(a kind of topping for ramen)

 

[M3J]

Yeah, I just feel like (If Big Mom didnt decimate the Germa 66) the potential for Sanji to at least form a relationship with his brothers is there if they can find a way to reverse there lack of emotions.

It's a real shame Sanji didnt fight Ichiji because I would have loved to see which was the strongest of the 2. Without Raid Suit I'm sure Sanji would have come up short.

I want Sanji's Raid Suit to enhance his speed and tanking ability. That honestly would be enough for me to be happy with it.

Another route is that Sanji uses the Raid Suit and it STILL comes up short and he finds it within himself to grow with his own skills


Either option would be optimal for me personally.

Not a fan of Sanji getting a raid suit, he doesn't really need that. I'd rather see him dominate on his own power than use a suit or something.

Besides, the main difference between Sanji, Luffy, and Zoro is that Sanji is a normal hand-to-hand fighter, he has no devil fruit nor weapons. Again, Luffy's main advantage against Doflamingo was his devil fruit. Without the ability to make his body larger while using haki, Luffy wouldn't have broken out of Doflamingo's string bind, he'd have been trapped just like Sanji was.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Sanji accepting that part of himself like he did his wanted poster

Spoiler

different context. That poster was a gag scene about sanji having too much ego to accept his poster image.

But sanji clearly hates the germa thing. Sanji wearing raid suit is like him giving up his policy to kick women,or using his hands to fight.

Also, using raid suit made it seemed like he didnt have enough CoA and CoO to compensate

 

[Pirate Queen]

different context. That poster was a gag scene about sanji having too much ego to accept his poster image.

But sanji clearly hates the germa thing. Sanji wearing raid suit is like him giving up his policy to kick women,or using his hands to fight.

Also, using raid suit made it seemed like he didnt have enough CoA and CoO to compensate

Zoro surrendered his pride and begged Mihawk to train him for luffy.

Sanji could swallow his pride and don the dumb suit