Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Grandmaster Woro]

It was SBS Volume 90. One of the questions ask what would happen if Big Mom is get hunger pangs and cravings for wedding cake again since Sanji was the only one to make it and knowledge of it like. Check it out to see it.

We not saying those aren't important but the person who made something to save many lives kinda deserve MVP spot for that whether you like or dislike it.

As for the question, impossible as they would have no knowledge of what its like and design as with the right ingredients. Sanji was the one to give blueprints about it due to a keen sense of smell than average human (Feat that is also overlook).

They didn't have anyone like that by their panicking. So again if Sanji wasn't there, everyone would perish even if they try replicating it, it won't be exactly the same by smell and taste.

nope oda never said sanji is MVP, this is just another of your imagination
sanji made the cake.......guess what happened next? Big mom still pursuing them.
It was thanks to germa 66 that sanji could get away with luffy. Sanji was knocked down and almost got shotted by cannons when germa 66 protected sanji and luffy.
Now sanji also picked a fight with kyoshiro, who had power influence to contact queen to get his assassins. Franky was endangered due to sanji's ego of attacking the thugs.
Sanji :
+0 ally
+1 trouble to alliance

 

[nik87]

The thing is, Sanji doesnt stand out because everyone involved in Wci has saved the SHs and been crucial to their success, like literally almost everyone except Chopper and Caesar, if I remember right.

It wasnt impressive from Sanji's part because, like already mentioned, we already knew his cooking was great and because his promise, to make BM faint, didnt work out in the end and has left Germa66 and Sun pirates to a possible cruel fate which wouldnt have happened if the cake made BM faint like Sanji said it would.

 

[King Moe]

The thing is, Sanji doesnt stand out because everyone involved in Wci has saved the SHs and been crucial to their success, like literally almost everyone except Chopper and Caesar, if I remember right.

It wasnt impressive from Sanji's part because, like already mentioned, we already knew his cooking was great and because his promise, to make BM faint, didnt work out in the end and has left Germa66 and Sun pirates to a possible cruel fate which wouldnt have happened if the cake made BM faint like Sanji said it would.

Actually by positive response, it did. Never he said it knock her out forever, just temporary. It is shown by how time passed before she eventuality got up. If it wasn't for the cake, they Strawhats would have died by her hands directly. That was evident in the arc.

Yeah, cause some forget Big Mom still has a crew. Just because BM is down, her crew won't stop attacking and thus Jimbei and his crew and Germa stay behind on that and wouldn't do it if they knew they wouldn't escape from it. They are fine as its like M3J said on the minority trying to force blame on Sanji when he actually saved everyone and don't control the actions of others who willingly choose to stay behind, never were force.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

The thing is, Sanji doesnt stand out because everyone involved in Wci has saved the SHs and been crucial to their success, like literally almost everyone except Chopper and Caesar, if I remember right.

It wasnt impressive from Sanji's part because, like already mentioned, we already knew his cooking was great and because his promise, to make BM faint, didnt work out in the end and has left Germa66 and Sun pirates to a possible cruel fate which wouldnt have happened if the cake made BM faint like Sanji said it would.

this.
Big mom was never fainted from that. She just filled her stomach and continued fighting.

 

[nik87]

minority trying to force blame on Sanji when he actually saved everyone

Like I said, everyone in the arc did the same, everyone saved the crew, Sanji's actions werent special. Nobody realistically expected the cake to take her out completely but several hours up to a day wouldnt require G66 and Sun Pirates staying and facing BM herself directly, they were doing fine against her crew.

 

[King Moe]

Like I said, everyone in the arc did the same, everyone saved the crew, Sanji's actions werent special. Nobody realistically expected the cake to take her out completely but several hours up to a day wouldnt require G66 and Sun Pirates staying and facing BM herself directly, they were doing fine against her crew.

Nah, they were as his attempt was the only one to fully stop her down for awhile. Nothing else stop her as again she is a Tank, so fighting their way against her would do nothing to her. The cake was both smart and best solution as shown.

I doubt she be out for a day or more especially she is a Yonko after all. Her coming wouldn't stop the plan of them escaping as they were in the water already especially Jimbei and his crew who can go underwater to avoid everyone and with Germa and special technology, they can survive out as well.

Again Sanji did the best on his side and everyone else is fine on their ends as they stick to block, not full out fight. They knew what they were facing and doing by going back. Just saying.

 

[nik87]

Nobody is arguing that Sanji has saved the crew, the argument is that he is not MVP. His actions arent different in the end from everyone else, he doesnt stand out because he only saved the crew.
Luffy stands out for defeating two commanders and for trapping Katakuri in Mirror World, which is saving the crew indirectly.
Brook stands out for getting the poneglyph rubbings and actually managing to destroy Carmel's photo which started it all.

Bege, Nami, Jinbe, Carrot, Pedro, Pudding, Vinsmokes, Sun pirates and Sanji, they all saved the crew but did nothing else to stand out. If Sanji is MVP, they all are. One could argue that Nami stands out as well because without her Cracker wouldnt have fallen and the seducing woods wouldnt "ally" with SHs.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

also, sanji is the one being rescued and the one requesting to attend the wedding, so he definitely is not MVP (he was the one bringing the trouble to SHP)

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

Sanji's cooking skills have been proven time and time again and baking a wedding cake is nothing special at this point.

Until wci his cooking skills were only labelled as tasty and such by normies or the SH.

Satisfying the taste of aa Y character that has access to top class ingredients and cooks for decades... is a huge feat for his Cook aspect...

Just a side question, if Sanji hadn't been involved in the making of the cake, if, say, Chiffon was the one baking it with the ther chief's help, would you say Chiffon was MVP of the arc?

Personally, i would say yes. Just like Usopp was MVP in DD's eyes.

Franky was endangered due to sanji's ego of attacking the thugs.
Sanji :
+0 ally
+1 trouble to alliance

Franky literally endangered the whole crew in DR because he wanted to help the tontatta even if luffy would have told him otherwise.

Zoro fucked up Kinemon's plan with becoming wanted by the shogunate.

Luffy is so fuckin reckless that I don't even want to start.

So what's your point? All SHs are selfish to a certain degree.

The thing is, Sanji doesnt stand out because everyone involved in Wci has saved the SHs and been crucial to their success, like literally almost everyone except Chopper and Caesar, if I remember right.

It wasnt impressive from Sanji's part because, like already mentioned, we already knew his cooking was great and because his promise, to make BM faint, didnt work out in the end and has left Germa66 and Sun pirates to a possible cruel fate which wouldnt have happened if the cake made BM faint like Sanji said it would.

They are were doing their part for the escape but Sanji's part was the most important. Literally the second half of the wci arc was all about the cake...

All the build up and focus on the cake and Sanji baking it should actually make it clear that he was the MVP bar luffy.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Franky literally endangered the whole crew in DR because he wanted to help the tontatta even if luffy would have told him otherwise.

Zoro fucked up Kinemon's plan with becoming wanted by the shogunate.

Luffy is so fuckin reckless that I don't even want to start.

So what's your point? All SHs are selfish to a certain degree.

Franky wants to save tontatta people, while sanji has too much ego to let the food wasted. Different reason ,dude.
Zoro was blamed as the killer and was going to be executed, so he was defending himself.

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

also, sanji is the one being rescued and the one requesting to attend the wedding, so he definitely is not MVP (he was the one bringing the trouble to SHP)

Wrong.

1. He told them to do their thing while he handles his matters on his own.
2. They didn't listened and endangered themselves.
3. He never forced them to save his family. He was even telling them to simply leave...

I don't get why you are trying to make Sanji the scapegoat.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Wrong.

1. He told them to do their thing while he handles his matters on his own.
2. They didn't listened and endangered themselves.
3. He never forced them to save his family. He was even telling them to simply leave...

I don't get why you are trying to make Sanji the scapegoat.

when did i say i say that sanji requested shp to help him? i only said that he requested for him to attend the wedding,when he was asked by luffy.
not trying to scapegoat sanji though , but just saying he definitely is not mvp. Just like how nami is not MVP in arlong park arc

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

Franky wants to save tontatta people, while sanji has too much ego to let the food wasted.

He was brought up like that. Zoro would rather die than lose his honor. But I don't judge him for being selfish...

Zoro was blamed as the killer and was going to be executed, so he was defending himself.

Go look up the extent of self defense. What Zoro did was overkill.

 

[nik87]

They are were doing their part for the escape but Sanji's part was the most important. Literally the second half of the wci arc was all about the cake...
All the build up and focus on the cake and Sanji baking it should actually make it clear that he was the MVP bar luffy.

Nothing really puts Sanji above the others.

Without Nami Luffy would be defeated by Cracker, without Jinbe the Sunny and crew on it would have been crushed by a big wave plus all other Jinbe's accomplishments, without Pudding playing along they would never stand a chance, without Pedro sacrificing his life they would never stand a chance, without Bege they would have been defeated during Wedding, without Carrot disabling the fleet they would have been sunk, without Vinsmokes saving them Luffy and Sanji would have been shot dead, without Wadatsumi pulling their ship underwater the Sunny would have been sunk...

The cake did it's part, like all others that i mentioned above, nothing that stands out.
Brook stands out because thanks to him, the path to Raftel is no longer blocked by Big Mom. Luffy stands out for his accomplishment.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

He was brought up like that. Zoro would rather die than lose his honor. But I don't judge him for being selfish...

Go look up the extent of self defense. What Zoro did was overkill.

i like how now you stopped talking about franky.
Zoro would rather die? What part of story were you talking about here?
yeah zoro overdid his self-defence. Still self-defence though. At least he wasn't causing trouble because his food gone waste

 

[M3J]

It wasnt impressive from Sanji's part because, like already mentioned, we already knew his cooking was great and because his promise, to make BM faint, didnt work out in the end and has left Germa66 and Sun pirates to a possible cruel fate which wouldnt have happened if the cake made BM faint like Sanji said it would.

Again, fault lies with Bege for not poisoning the cake or trying to make Big Mom faint, who by all means loved the cake so much that she spent time finishing it, which gave the Straw Hats time to wait for Luffy, get him back, and get away. the only reason why Germa 66 has a possible cruel fate instead of being killed during the wedding is because of Sanji wanting to save them. And if it weren't for Sanji's cake, Big Mom would have continued attacking the ship and would have likely killed everyone on the ship, if not destroy the ship itself. Thanks to Sanji, we're left with their unknown fates rather than dead Germa and dead Straw Hats.

 

[nik87]

And if it weren't for Sanji's cake, Big Mom would have continued attacking the ship and would have likely killed everyone on the ship, if not destroy the ship itself.

If it weren't for all the things i mentioned above and more, the crew and ship would have been finished several times. Sanji's cake baking actions did the same that everyone else did in the end, lets not present him in better light than he was and no need to point fingers at Bege for trusting in Sanji's cake and going out of his character.

The cake did its part, nothing special, just another thing in the chain of events. Everything was important, it cannot be left out.

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

when did i say i say that sanji requested shp to help him? i only said that he requested for him to attend the wedding,when he was asked by luffy.
not trying to scapegoat sanji though , but just saying he definitely is not mvp. Just like how nami is not MVP in arlong park arc

you literally said

(he was the one bringing the trouble to SHP)

Which is just wrong. They themselves got caught up in the trouble because they didn't listened to his note AND his warning.

Well, tbf, the crew was actually fine with him leaving if it wasn't for Nami pushing the idea of saving him. But, anyway, dou statement is redundant and factually wrong.

Nothing really puts Sanji above the others.

Without Nami Luffy would be defeated by Cracker, without Jinbe the Sunny and crew on it would have been crushed by a big wave plus all other Jinbe's accomplishments, without Pudding playing along they would never stand a chance, without Pedro sacrificing his life they would never stand a chance, without Bege they would have been defeated during Wedding, without Carrot disabling the fleet they would have been sunk, without Vinsmokes saving them Luffy and Sanji would have been shot dead, without Wadatsumi pulling their ship underwater the Sunny would have been sunk...

The cake did it's part, like all others that i mentioned above, nothing that stands out.
Brook stands out because thanks to him, the path to Raftel is no longer blocked by Big Mom. Luffy stands out for his accomplishment.

If you can't see that there's a significant difference in the importance of the cake and the other feats then i can't help you either. Alone the build-up for the cake speaks volumes about its importance.

i like how now you stopped talking about franky.
Zoro would rather die? What part of story were you talking about here?
yeah zoro overdid his self-defence. Still self-defence though. At least he wasn't causing trouble because his food gone waste

I stopped talking about Franky because i thought someone with name like "Grandmaster Woro" would be easier to convince with zoro examples. We can ofc talk about franky again. Either way you'll force your own values onto the character to judge them...

Zoro literally offered Mihawk his chest instead of struggling to figjt for his life. He clearly puts his honor abouve his life. If you don't believe me I don't mind getting the panel from the foxy arc in which he states how high he values honor.

"At least he wasn't causing trouble because his food gone waste"... Kek. No need to argue any further.

Not wasting food is one of his principles. It has the same importance for him as luffy protecting his nakama or Zoro aiming for the wss. If you don't get something simply as that, maybe you should stick with the Woro discussions.

 

[nik87]

If you can't see that there's a significant difference in the importance of the cake and the other feats then i can't help you either. Alone the build-up for the cake speaks volumes about its importance.

I cant see the difference. Without Sanji's cake the crew would be dead, without all other characters doing their part the crew would be dead. What is the difference?

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

I cant see the difference. Without Sanji's cake the crew would be dead, without all other characters doing their part the crew would be dead. What is the difference?

Build-up. The cake was a major goal in the arc. You can't say for the rest of the stuff.
The whole arc was leading to that one scene where that obesed old woman could finally taste bliss.

@Grandmaster Woro here:

Ofc it's the official translation.