Your not taking it seriously, so gonna end talks here. Sanji defeated notable opponent in NW while Jimbei hasn't and the hype of the arc is setting him to face an YC if he easily defeated a Top 6 then he along with Zoro with his final opponent will put more proof how far above them they are against Jimbei.
I don't know man... Your points are convincing but i'm still not quite sold tbh.@Takuan I understand where your arguments about Jinbe come from. He wasnt treated the best, probably the worst treatment among the Shichibukai if we exclude Moriah. Even his own power may be working against Jinbe since he is supposed to join Strawhats and it makes no sense that someone stronger than Luffy joins or that he leaves Zoro and Sanji in the dust, which I think he currently does. He may be at disadvantage against Zoro due to the same issue as with Mihawk but he is without a doubt stronger physically and with his water techniques could take Zoro out.
You know I value Crocodile and I think he is incredibly strong but still, I place Jinbe above him.
Against Kuma, Jinbe has aoe shockwave techniques which I think Kuma cant repel and even tho he is partly machine he is also made of human flesh which can be affected by Jinbe's techniques. Also, I doubt the paw's can repel water as it is a weakness for any DF. If Sanji's kick was able to break the neck of a pacifista then I am sure Jinbe can injure Kuma's body as well. Also, yes, I mean TB Kuma and I think it would be a hard fight.
Hancock's move of turning people into stone was always a fodder move and never affected anyone seriously so I am not sure how it would do against Jinbe. He can hit her from distance with his techniques and his CoA is probably strong enough to resist turning into stone when kicked by her.
Against Doffy... Parasite string and binding Luffy only worked when Luffy was beaten on ground, he has yet to bind anyone fresh like that. Parasite string more seemed like a plot element without too much appliance. I think Jinbe's CoA is quite better than Doffy's so if he takes any damage from Doffy's techniques it's minimal. With water around he can literally copy Doffy's awakening moves and neutralize them. Vagabond drill is something I imagine that would hurt Doffy quite a bit.
They are all strong individuals and it's hard to say for sure which one would win unless there is a clear disadvantage from match-up.
Vagabond Drill to push back weakened Emperor and Shark skin to block a flaming sword attack from the same Emperor.
What has Sanji done in NW that puts him above Jinbe, which feats specifically? There are no feats in the clash with PageOne with 4 basic hits exchange so if you list that as feats sorry but those arent feats. For all we know P1 and Opera may be similar power level and Jinbe took his opponent in one hit.
Jinbe has that aoe shockwave that I showed above hitting Luffy and I am sure Kuma cant repel all of it since its basically everywhere.
Given that the people sustaining the super long anti-Sanji thread are all Zoro fanboys...i think that bolded statement says something you didn't intend it to say...
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Crocodile would get wrecked by Jimbe. I think Crocodile is underrated because Luffy beat him so early on, he is stronger than some act. But against Jimbe, a guy who can manipulate water and hit with massive force, Crocodile is getting ruined in that fight.@Takuan I understand where your arguments about Jinbe come from. He wasnt treated the best, probably the worst treatment among the Shichibukai if we exclude Moriah. Even his own power may be working against Jinbe since he is supposed to join Strawhats and it makes no sense that someone stronger than Luffy joins or that he leaves Zoro and Sanji in the dust, which I think he currently does. He may be at disadvantage against Zoro due to the same issue as with Mihawk but he is without a doubt stronger physically and with his water techniques could take Zoro out.
You know I value Crocodile and I think he is incredibly strong but still, I place Jinbe above him.
Against Kuma, Jinbe has aoe shockwave techniques which I think Kuma cant repel and even tho he is partly machine he is also made of human flesh which can be affected by Jinbe's techniques. Also, I doubt the paw's can repel water as it is a weakness for any DF. If Sanji's kick was able to break the neck of a pacifista then I am sure Jinbe can injure Kuma's body as well. Also, yes, I mean TB Kuma and I think it would be a hard fight.
Hancock's move of turning people into stone was always a fodder move and never affected anyone seriously so I am not sure how it would do against Jinbe. He can hit her from distance with his techniques and his CoA is probably strong enough to resist turning into stone when kicked by her.
Against Doffy... Parasite string and binding Luffy only worked when Luffy was beaten on ground, he has yet to bind anyone fresh like that. Parasite string more seemed like a plot element without too much appliance. I think Jinbe's CoA is quite better than Doffy's so if he takes any damage from Doffy's techniques it's minimal. With water around he can literally copy Doffy's awakening moves and neutralize them. Vagabond drill is something I imagine that would hurt Doffy quite a bit.
They are all strong individuals and it's hard to say for sure which one would win unless there is a clear disadvantage from match-up.
Vagabond Drill to push back weakened Emperor and Shark skin to block a flaming sword attack from the same Emperor.
What has Sanji done in NW that puts him above Jinbe, which feats specifically? There are no feats in the clash with PageOne with 4 basic hits exchange so if you list that as feats sorry but those arent feats. For all we know P1 and Opera may be similar power level and Jinbe took his opponent in one hit.
Yeah no. Sorry, no. That's already something i told King Moe, this needs to stop. Every criticism made against Sanji isn't hate or an anti-Sanji campaign, first of all. And second of all, no, not everyone who criticizes Sanji is a Zoro fanboy. I criticized Sanji earlier, and i prefer Sanji over Zoro. So no, not a Zoro fanboy in any way. This is getting old but somehow people still make this amalgam. The wolrd or the One Piece community isn't divided between Sanji fanboys being Zoro haters and Zoro fanboys being Sanji haters.
Yep, that's what I said, bad match-up.
Here's why what you said isn't true: Every thread, every spoiler thread, no matter what it starts out as, turns into Zoro fanboys bashing Sanji. It is 100% hate and an anti-Sanji campaign. Everyone here who has to wade through page after page of spoiler talk looking to actually talk about the chapter instead of whatever anti-Sanji nonsense the Zoro fanboys are going to decide to try this week.
So where is the bashing in this particular thread?
Do you say that with a straight face as we are on page 58...look it up yourself.
I want your opinion though. Sanji is being discussed, criticized on some points. I don't see a hate, and at least i personally am not hating on his character.
No, i didn't say that at all, but you like to twist words to suit your argument. I said not everyone criticizes him as a fanboy. That includes posters like Lexus and others who have a critique of something. But there are posters like Nik, who will troll and admit to it, and a few others (one guy derisively calls him "the cake baker" to troll in every chapter thread for another example).
I agree with you overall, but these are minorities. Nobody in their right mind would believe Zoro vs Kaido is a fair fight.
One would infer what you said isn't directed at me because you don't reply to insects since you don't understand them.
Proper grammar matters.
Just because I said I trolled Moe(if it wasnt obvious already for everyone)it doesnt mean all my criticism about Sanji is trolling. Not at all,barely anything is.
Not at all. Only one I consider a troll is Troll King Moe.
if that's not trolling, it's stupidity and ignoring over 900 chapters. So take your pick...Just because I said I trolled Moe(if it wasnt obvious already for everyone)it doesnt mean all my criticism about Sanji is trolling. Not at all,barely anything is.
I really mean what I write about Sanji, I dont think he is an extremely capable fighter but Oda rather allows him to hang in there by always giving him far easier match-ups than what Zoro and Luffy have to deal with. That's not trolling, that's my opinion of Sanji as combatant. I gave valid reasons why almost anyone in the SH crew could be a more dangerous combatant than Sanji, probably everyone considered that post a troll but it isnt, the only thing preventing that is the obvious power ranking that Oda wants to keep within the crew while the actual combat feats speak an entirely different story.
I dont remember last time trolling was in this thread. Other than some name calling there is nothing that I saw recently and name calling is nothing bad, totally within the character of Zoro and his relationship with Sanji.
The only recent troll that I did regarding Sanji was in power lvl discussion thread when Moe proposed Orochi, who I think is weakling, as Zoro's final opponent so I proposed him as Sanji's final opponent. When you argue with Moe, about Sanji-what else, and all logic fails and hits a wall, there is nothing left than trolling and throwing his logic back at him. As I said, I dont troll Sanji so dont label my criticism as such.
Not at all. Only one I consider a troll is Troll King Moe.
Common dude thats just mean, you can dislike a character but this is becoming personnal.
Well, he did disappear for large stretches of the New World when his group left Dressrosa. They were gone for over a year. I'm not sure that he got that much more time than Chopper, Nami and Brook in the WCI arc. I mean, he obviously had some more time just on solo panels, but those others were given a heck of a lot of time as well.
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(this is 100% a troll job. Sanji has protected the weaker crew members even on the way to Wano, and you are pretending that each member is more dangerous in a fight than him. I'm honestly just 100% going to ignore you from now on, it's not worth arguing with one so dedicated to trolling and shitposting.)Just because I said I trolled Moe(if it wasnt obvious already for everyone)it doesnt mean all my criticism about Sanji is trolling. Not at all,barely anything is.
I really mean what I write about Sanji, I dont think he is an extremely capable fighter but Oda rather allows him to hang in there by always giving him far easier match-ups than what Zoro and Luffy have to deal with. That's not trolling, that's my opinion of Sanji as combatant. I gave valid reasons why almost anyone in the SH crew could be a more dangerous combatant than Sanji, probably everyone considered that post a troll but it isnt, the only thing preventing that is the obvious power ranking that Oda wants to keep within the crew while the actual combat feats speak an entirely different story.
I dont remember last time trolling was in this thread. Other than some name calling there is nothing that I saw recently and name calling is nothing bad, totally within the character of Zoro and his relationship with Sanji.
The only recent troll that I did regarding Sanji was in power lvl discussion thread when Moe proposed Orochi, who I think is weakling, as Zoro's final opponent so I proposed him as Sanji's final opponent. When you argue with Moe, about Sanji-what else, and all logic fails and hits a wall, there is nothing left than trolling and throwing his logic back at him. As I said, I dont troll Sanji so dont label my criticism as such.
Not at all. Only one I consider a troll is Troll King Moe.
