Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

Those who say he wasnt trying at all dont really use their eyes. First time we see Sanji using Hardening he isnt actually trying to kick but getting away? Your logic never disappoints, Moe.
It was a kick, there are two blasts, unless your logic can explain those.

Dude it wasn't a serious kick. From the angle look like he use Drake as stepping stone to push further. You can use Hardening to defend. You are aware of that? Please don't get upset again. Don't want our debates to lead to deletion as well.
well.

What two blasts? Where you looking in the chapter? There be more effect on impact if Oda was doing more on attack. The angle on how it looks that he was moving away and again you honestly expect him to fight 100% when a child in his arms? Sanji doesn't fight with people while in his arms seriously Against someone. It messes with his flow. He can't focus on protecting them while trying to fight. It shown with Sanji protecting Luffy in WCI.

 

[nik87]

Dude it wasn't a serious kick. From the angle look like he use Drake as stepping stone to push further. You can use Hardening to defend. You are aware of that? Please don't get upset again. Don't want our debates to lead to deletion as well.
well.

What two blasts? Where you looking in the chapter? There be more effect on impact if Oda was doing more on attack. The angle on how it looks that he was moving away and again you honestly expect him to fight 100% when a child in his arms? Sanji doesn't fight with people while in his arms seriously Against someone. It messes with his flow. He can't focus on protecting them while trying to fight. It shown with Sanji protecting Luffy in WCI.

Seems like you are upset because Sanji's attack with Hardening did nothing to Drake, calm yourself and use your eyes and you will see two blasts singifying impact and he is definitely trying hard considering the Hardening.

 

[King Moe]

Seems like you are upset because Sanji's attack with Hardening did nothing to Drake, calm yourself and use your eyes and you will see two blasts singifying impact and he is definitely trying hard considering the Hardening.

Who upset? Where you get that idea? Dude stop again as if your pushing things, we hear it again from mods. Just accept you got it wrong on saying Sanji has no Armament in the past on the thread when clearly he has.

On getting away in the chaos. Not fighting fully. You didn't answer my question on Toko still so I take it as my W on fighting then.

 

[nik87]

Who upset? Where you get that idea? Dude stop again as if your pushing things, we hear it again from mods. Just accept you got it wrong on saying Sanji has no Armament in the past on the thread when clearly he has.

On getting away in the chaos. Not fighting fully. You didn't answer my question on Toko still so I take it as my W on fighting then.

Another imaginary W for you, you on a roll lately, getting imaginary W's everywhere.
I get the idea from you trying hard to explain Sanji doing nothing to Drake with hardening even with such 2 blasts clearly visible.
I wasnt wrong, Sanji didnt use Hardening in the past, even this now is not 100% clear but looks more that it is.
O-Toko is not hindering his legs from kicking, nice try but pick another excuse.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Usually when an attack takes place it's drawn so that we can kinda feel the force behind it, even if the attack itself gets easily deflected.

Not forcing my opinion on anyone, just didn't feel like it was a legit attack, that's all.

Call it blindness or whatever, but I just don't see it.

 

[King Moe]

Another imaginary W for you, you on a roll lately, getting imaginary W's everywhere.
I get the idea from you trying hard to explain Sanji doing nothing to Drake with hardening even with such 2 blasts clearly visible.
I wasnt wrong, Sanji didnt use Hardening in the past, even this now is not 100% clear but looks more that it is.
O-Toko is not hindering his legs from kicking, nice try but pick another excuse.

Looks more like stepping on him to back away then fighting full force.

Kinda are as shading is too darken to be just shade on legs. Especially when his legs can be shown last chapters with foot is up. It's COA man. Idk what tell you on it. Denied what you feel, but doesn't canon being canon.

So fighting with a child is good then? Weren't you the one that said Zoro was too focus on protecting Tama and thus got damage by Hawkins? You being hypocritical on using this factor and destroying your argument with now it's not a factor. Then guess we can count the Hawkins on as same thing since nothing stop Zoro on moving his swords on him (Using as example. Not bringing Zoro into this).

 

[nik87]

@Pea Do you see it now? Those blasts dont appear out of nowhere.

--- Double Post Merged, May 31, 2019, Original Post Date: May 31, 2019 ---

Looks more like stepping on him to back away then fighting full force.

Looks more like hit with Hardening doing nothing.

Especially when his legs can be shown last chapters with foot is up. It's COA man. Idk what tell you on it. Denied what you feel, but doesn't canon being canon.

There are shadows in One Piece world, I dont know what to tell you man except to stop saying bs.

 

[King Moe]

@Pea Do you see it now? Those blasts dont appear out of nowhere.

--- Double Post Merged, May 31, 2019, Original Post Date: May 31, 2019 ---

Looks more like hit with Hardening doing nothing.

Those where blast?! Got be kidding me XD! Those type of action can mean anything as Oda use it on instances than trying to damage someone. Seen similar stuff when Sanji's Sky Walks. Though aren't attacking moves much as again the angle of his body looks pushing back then trying hit serious damage.

 

[nik87]

Those where blast?! Got be kidding me XD! Those type of action can mean anything as Oda use it on instances than trying to damage someone. Seen similar stuff when Sanji's Sky Walks. Though aren't attacking moves much as again the angle of his body looks pushing back then trying hit serious damage.

Denial at it's best. Skywalk leaves blasts under the legs not to the sides. Splendid logic Moe, like always. You boi Sanji did nothing to Supernova with Hardening kick, I expected more.

 

[King Moe]

Denial at it's best. Skywalk leaves blasts under the legs not to the sides. Splendid logic Moe, like always. You boi Sanji did nothing to Supernova with Hardening kick, I expected more.

Oda uses that same motion for Sky Walk too. Idk why you feel it's something else there. I understand you can't accept what Oda put down, but gotta see it when talking to others as we have to wait next chapter(s) on Sanji putting Toko to safety for them to fight for real then. Again can't believe you think someone can fight serious with someone they are holding and a child no less. Gotta brush up on how fights works on opponents on both sides.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji didnt use hardening...

 

[King Moe]

Sanji didnt use hardening...

Same darken shade twice in two chapters. Oda does have errors, but never twice in a row like that. That's COA for sure.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Same darken shade twice in two chapters. Oda does have errors, but never twice in a row like that. That's COA for sure.

It's not an error. It's just poor shading. If Sanji used hardening we'd know it.

What instance has there ever been where we weren't 100% sure it was Hardening. Oda always makes a point to show Hardening a certain way.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

It's not an error. It's just poor shading. If Sanji used hardening we'd know it.

What instance has there ever been where we weren't 100% sure it was Hardening. Oda always makes a point to show Hardening a certain way.

Perhaps you're right, poor shading.

@nik87 what I meant is that since there's is no apparent depression on X Drake's face Sanji probably didn't mean (or couldn't due to holding O-Toko) to hit him hard. I mean X Drake might be an allosaurus but he ain't made out of metal.

Or it's just one weirdly drawn panel...

 

[Fox666]

In the previous scene Sanji jumped straight up, so I think he's landing on Drake's face so he can escape. It wouldn't be strange if he wasn't strong enough to fight Drake, but I find it odd for him to attack like that when he has a kid on his arms.

 

[King Moe]

It's not an error. It's just poor shading. If Sanji used hardening we'd know it.

What instance has there ever been where we weren't 100% sure it was Hardening. Oda always makes a point to show Hardening a certain way.

Not really. It's no different from shading he done onto other COA users when not doing an up-close angle.

He let them do Hardening in anime too. Still no flag by Oda about it. If they did it like that, pretty sure Oda is fine with it and confirms he has it. Look how Zoro clash with Kyoshiro in sane chapter with his COA. The swords are shaded the same way. It's not poor shading. It is Hardening especially we do know Sanji as shown his bare legs prior with no darken color on them when he fought those thugs and first attack PO.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Not really. It's no different from shading he done onto other COA users when not doing an up-close angle.

He let them do Hardening in anime too. Still no flag by Oda about it. If they did it like that, pretty sure Oda is fine with it and confirms he has it. Look how Zoro clash with Kyoshiro in sane chapter with his COA. The swords are shaded the same way. It's not poor shading. It is Hardening especially we do know Sanji as shown his bare legs prior with no darken color on them when he fought those thugs and first attack PO.

Provide proof our your just talking nonsense. Oda always shows a shined area on the CoA Hardening.

 

[King Moe]

Provide proof our your just talking nonsense. Oda always shows a shined area on the CoA Hardening.

Not always that is shown. When he do non-closeup on Haki they don't shine much. I can see you imagery when I am on my computer, but so far these is second shading in a row and Oda doesn't do same mistake twice. He is very careful on his art. We just have to see in anime again, but many sites are saying sake thing on it being COA. Not my talk only, others are talking it is.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Not always that is shown. When he do non-closeup on Haki they don't shine much. I can see you imagery when I am on my computer, but so far these is second shading in a row and Oda doesn't do same mistake twice. He is very careful on his art. We just have to see in anime again, but many sites are saying sake thing on it being COA. Not my talk only, others are talking it is.

Stop using your "many sites" excuse. You use it when you can't prove your point. As if having other people backing you somehow makes you right

 

[Shasha23]

@nik87 what I meant is that since there's is no apparent depression on X Drake's face Sanji probably didn't mean (or couldn't due to holding O-Toko) to hit him hard. I mean X Drake might be an allosaurus but he ain't made out of metal.

Or it's just one weirdly drawn panel...

Don't forget that base Sanji is not that strong, he definitely did land a kick on Drake to make him back off but the kick was too weak Drake didn't even feel it.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 3, 2019, Original Post Date: Jun 3, 2019 ---

I found it strange at what Hawkins and Drake said after seeing Zoro, where they surprised it took Zoro this long to rage since they all have an impression of Zoro being a bloodthirsty beast.

Anyway hopefully Zoro will decide not to run, I'm getting sick of post time skip as there is always running away and all this other crap, hopefully Zoro will revert back to himself and galvanize everyone to take over the capital.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 3, 2019 ---

Not always that is shown. When he do non-closeup on Haki they don't shine much. I can see you imagery when I am on my computer, but so far these is second shading in a row and Oda doesn't do same mistake twice. He is very careful on his art. We just have to see in anime again, but many sites are saying sake thing on it being COA. Not my talk only, others are talking it is.

Many sites like? and who else is saying this?