Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

We've had this discussion before and you keep mentioning it again, which means we're going around in circle. So I'll just address the newer parts of your post as I have no intention in beating a dead horse.

To answer the bolden part of your post, it's perfectly fine for you to say which you prefer but don't act as if a profficient swordsman wouldn't be a less suitable opponent for Sanji than someone who fights hand to hand (or tail or feet as the case may be). In particular if said swordsman is yonkou commander.

Do you see my point about suitability?

Oda will more often than not write the fight in order to suit each SH's strength, this has always been the case regardless of whether they've fought opponents whose style didn't suit them before (Raisin, Judge, Daifuku's genie, Ikaros, etc).

One of the reasons I doubt Sanji (or any SH right now) can individually defeat an All Star is because we've not seen him be pushed or show his current potential post timeskip, so I'm not confident he can take on an opponent of a level his captain had just struggled to beat in a previous arc with help.

Never said I had issues him fighting with those hand to hand. I think your misunderstanding point of talk as we talking about if Sanji and Luffy face swordsmen opponent who is more high level, do you expect them to stop fighting and run away? They don't care and will beat them the same like weapon users in the past. Not saying they won't struggle, but they won't be defeated or choose to think they can't win when there are ways they know how to get passed them. Saying they shouldn't is limiting them who they face as we are in Wano and almost everyone have a weapon especially a sword. Are you saying Luffy and Sanji will not face anyone in a fight with weapons especially blade?

We all saw Luffy get defeated by Kaido by a spike club, so do you think Luffy would no go after him no more? That's not the case and Oda isn't pushing narrative they can't beat anyone or afraid to challenge someone with a weapon. That's what we discussing than who is possible to face them.

I get what you mean there is pattern to Oda where he also make suitable for something they are used to the most, but they won't have luxury facing someone like that especially in All-Out War so they will come to overcome those weapons or not in their wake to win the war. I am just saying we shouldn't underestimate Sanji thinking he doesn't have anything to show since like you said, we never seen his own full power and capabilities and after training along with modify RS, doubt Oda use it as only means for T6H when before that Sanji own PO and fight handly with Drake. Oda pushing him for something much greater than them which looking to be All Stars being King and Queen who he could face either one.

Not saying it has to be only solo as I see team up fights too as I said the same with Luffy and Zoro who they be facing as they won't solo themselves especially what last chapter shows. I am not arguing against what your points are like that, but saying we shouldn't not demmen unexpected and possibilities as if Luffy stated he wants Kaido despite what we seen, Sanji and Zoro would follow in toe to at least be YC lvl if Luffy need to show he can be on Yonko level.

You get where I am going on talk? Wasn't repeating anything nor saying who they face by formula pattern is wrong, but just that Oda can be unpredictable when we least expect it, so you never know and he could surprise us how characters do the possible facing against someone we didn't thought before they could. Just saying.

 

[M3J]

I did, but now twisting to high class swordsman which even Luffy haven't face one. Are you now saying Luffy and Sanji would run away if come across one despite defeat weapon users in the past?

Link me to the manga page or something, because I feel like you're bullshitting. At best, I remember Sanji fighting Gin.

 

[goldb]

I was thinking a bit Sanji discussing the Raid Suit when he fought Page One (ch931), he said he wanted Franky and Usopp to make some changes to it. What sort of changes do you see Sanji making to the suit?

Or better yet, what changes would you like to see done to the suit? It's mostly going to be superficial I think, such as design changes. I don't think anythig needs to be done to the functionality.

 

[HereNThere]

I'm of two minds.

If Sanji keeps the suit for himself, then the appearance will change. Also, I think it's extremely likely that Nami will have most likely forced the two of them to remove it's ability to turn invisible since he can't be trusted.

This idea is looking less likely, but Sanji may have requested Franky and Usopp redesign the suit not for him, but for the weaker crew members. He swallowed his pride once when he wore the suit, but he may not want to rely on something that came from his family permanently. So he's going to let Franky mass produce it and give it to the Weak Trio, who would really benefit from it.

 

[M3J]

I was thinking a bit Sanji discussing the Raid Suit when he fought Page One (ch931), he said he wanted Franky and Usopp to make some changes to it. What sort of changes do you see Sanji making to the suit?

Or better yet, what changes would you like to see done to the suit? It's mostly going to be superficial I think, such as design changes. I don't think anythig needs to be done to the functionality.

He needs a cooler helmet or head gear and a badass cape, but otherwise I'm not sure if it needs to be changed. Perhaps give his arms and hands protection enough that he feels comfortable fighting with them?

 

[thedude]

I was thinking a bit Sanji discussing the Raid Suit when he fought Page One (ch931), he said he wanted Franky and Usopp to make some changes to it. What sort of changes do you see Sanji making to the suit?

Or better yet, what changes would you like to see done to the suit? It's mostly going to be superficial I think, such as design changes. I don't think anythig needs to be done to the functionality.

Appearance for one. I think it will end up looking like a regular suit. I'm not sure what more they can do to it since it already has armor and speed enhancements, plus the invisibility. I hope it still looks different from his regular clothes, just for a nice visual, but I don't want it looking like it did vs Page One.

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He needs a cooler helmet or head gear and a badass cape, but otherwise I'm not sure if it needs to be changed. Perhaps give his arms and hands protection enough that he feels comfortable fighting with them?

Sanji should never fight with his hands! His kicking style is great, I hope it doesn't change. He reminds me of a guy from late 70's/early 80's kung fu movies, Hwang Jung Lee, nicknamed "Thunder Leg" or "Thunder Foot", Japanese born Korean, but made his fame in Hong Kong.

 

[SnuggleCupcake]

Appearance for one. I think it will end up looking like a regular suit. I'm not sure what more they can do to it since it already has armor and speed enhancements, plus the invisibility. I hope it still looks different from his regular clothes, just for a nice visual, but I don't want it looking like it did vs Page One.

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Sanji should never fight with his hands! His kicking style is great, I hope it doesn't change. He reminds me of a guy from late 70's/early 80's kung fu movies, Hwang Jung Lee, nicknamed "Thunder Leg" or "Thunder Foot", Japanese born Korean, but made his fame in Hong Kong.

I want super sentai Sanji forever!

 

[M3J]

Sanji should never fight with his hands! His kicking style is great, I hope it doesn't change. He reminds me of a guy from late 70's/early 80's kung fu movies, Hwang Jung Lee, nicknamed "Thunder Leg" or "Thunder Foot", Japanese born Korean, but made his fame in Hong Kong.

It adds more variety to his fighting style though, so it'd be worth it.

 

[King Moe]

Link me to the manga page or something, because I feel like you're bullshitting. At best, I remember Sanji fighting Gin.

Since when Gin was only one who uses weapons? Are you seriously forgetting Mr. 2's Pistol Swan Shoes, Jabra's Claws, Abasolm using damn bazooka and even stabbing Sanji when protecting Nami, and so on. You really think Gin was only serious enemy at the time to use weapons? I feel like your BSing me here, M3J.

 

[thedude]

It adds more variety to his fighting style though, so it'd be worth it.

To me that would be like Zoro using guns all of a sudden. It's so much a part of his character - "I only kick, my hands are for cooking". Let him kick and only kick!

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Gin, Kuroobi, Mr2, Satori, Jabra, Absalom, Wadatsumi. Not a single major opponent of the arc has ever focused on a sword to fight.

This. Kanjuro is non swords user so he is more fitting as sanji's opponent

 

[M3J]

Since when Gin was only one who uses weapons? Are you seriously forgetting Mr. 2's Pistol Swan Shoes, Jabra's Claws, Abasolm using damn bazooka and even stabbing Sanji when protecting Nami, and so on. You really think Gin was only serious enemy at the time to use weapons? I feel like your BSing me here, M3J.

We're talking about swordsmen, or we were until you changed the topic to weapons users for some reason. Names of swordsmen that Sanji has faced, as you made the claim. Back it up.

They have to be swordsmen, not people who picked up random sharp objects to try and stab Sanji or someone else with.

To me that would be like Zoro using guns all of a sudden. It's so much a part of his character - "I only kick, my hands are for cooking". Let him kick and only kick!

Sanji said he doesn't use his hands because they're sacred to chefs. He probably would if they're protected. He can use them only when needed!

 

[King Moe]

This. Kanjuro is non swords user so he is more fitting as sanji's opponent

You spell Zoro wrong. That's Zoro's dream match and got overcome the fear of projectiles like Apoo did to him.

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We're talking about swordsmen, or we were until you changed the topic to weapons users for some reason. Names of swordsmen that Sanji has faced, as you made the claim. Back it up.

They have to be swordsmen, not people who picked up random sharp objects to try and stab Sanji or someone else with.


Sanji said he doesn't use his hands because they're sacred to chefs. He probably would if they're protected. He can use them only when needed!

It was about weapon users, not swordsmen only and even then I remember they beating up enemies in Wano who try to use swords on him and Luffy. Your missing point of discussion M3J. Talk is what they do facing them and illogical to say Luffy and Sanji would be helpless against them.

 

[goldb]

That's Zoro's dream match and got overcome the fear of projectiles like Apoo did to him.

What projectiles are you talking about?

 

[M3J]

He beaten Swordsmen though. He can fight anyone is talk we discussing unless you don't think like Luffy he won't face Kaido anymore cause of having a Club?

Who? I don't remember any high level swordsmen he's beaten, that's usually Zoro.

He beaten high lol with weapons though. Luffy never defeat very deep swordsman opponent, but do you think they won't fight anyone like that? Doesn't make sense as they don't care for enemies weapon or not and still beat them.

It was about weapon users, not swordsmen only and even then I remember they beating up enemies in Wano who try to use swords on him and Luffy. Your missing point of discussion M3J. Talk is what they do facing them and illogical to say Luffy and Sanji would be helpless against them.

The quotes above are in order, I think. Maybe I should add my post that you were first replying to as well? If you don't know a swordsman that he's fought and beaten, then just say so before moving on to weapons. Other weapons aren't a big deal, guns aren't going to do much to the Monster Trio, and neither would most blunt objects unless wielded by strong people. Your only counter is Wano, but even then, Page One isn't a swordsman as far as we know.

Luffy and Sanji would be helpless against fast swordsmen with superior CoA.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Sanji vs Page One will be fun. I actually like the clash between them, they are rivalling each other in terms of power, a type of fight that i like

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Link me to the manga page or something, because I feel like you're bullshitting. At best, I remember Sanji fighting Gin.

Agree, sanji usually always matches up with non swordsman.

 

[Brandish μ]

Also the fact that in his zoan form, King can flying so a battle in mid-air wouldn't be disadvantegeous to Sanji. That said, I can't overlook the fact that King is carrying a well designed sword( usually in this series it implies a profficient swordsman), which makes him less suited for Sanji if he were to use it primarly in his hybrid or even human form. Though admittedly it would interesting to see Sanji fight a #2 in an opponent's crew again.

Personally I don't see facing any other Flying Six member other than Page One for a final opponent; as the latter would probably want a rematch.

As for an All-Star, I'm inclined to say Queen. Just based on his only on-screen fight, he seems to like using his zoan abilities and taking advantage of its size and characteristics, which Sanji has experienced before with Page One and Drake too, briefly.

Though I'm still unsure how he( or any other SH) could defeat an All Star without any assistance, considering these guys are supposedlyas tough as Big Mom's Sweet Commanders. I guess this is where we hope to see their true potential showcased. Considering the direction the story is moving, we won't be getting many versus chapters focus on anyone not named Luffy.

Yea it'd be pretty cool to see King vs Sanji, for the same reason King vs Marco would be epic. And I agree with most you've said, I actually like the idea of no solo efforts from the SH's against an all-star, say if Sanji had some back up from one of the crew.

I agree on that. I have no opinion on King or Queen, and who each SH should fight. I have suspicion that one or both of Sanji/Zoro will face off against a Tobi Roppo as well. Hard to say this arc. My hope is they fight King and Queen though. Jack has to fight the Minks, they need their revenge. Inu and Neko fighting together this time.

Which Tobi Ropo would you bank on Sanji fighting, if he were to?

This idea is looking less likely, but Sanji may have requested Franky and Usopp redesign the suit not for him, but for the weaker crew members. He swallowed his pride once when he wore the suit, but he may not want to rely on something that came from his family permanently. So he's going to let Franky mass produce it and give it to the Weak Trio, who would really benefit from it.

I do think he'll get an upgraded suit by the time he uses it next, and that is why the RS was not fully unveiled against Page One. His speech was very heartfelt there too, so I agree can't see him using it unless he has to. Or maybe after Usopp and Franky have upgraded it he'll feel more comfortable about it because of them.

 

[thedude]

Yea it'd be pretty cool to see King vs Sanji, for the same reason King vs Marco would be epic. And I agree with most you've said, I actually like the idea of no solo efforts from the SH's against an all-star, say if Sanji had some back up from one of the crew.



Which Tobi Ropo would you bank on Sanji fighting, if he were to?



I do think he'll get an upgraded suit by the time he uses it next, and that is why the RS was not fully unveiled against Page One. His speech was very heartfelt there too, so I agree can't see him using it unless he has to. Or maybe after Usopp and Franky have upgraded it he'll feel more comfortable about it because of them.

I think it's way too early to speculate on which Tobi Ropo. We don't know much of anything about a couple of them. I think a Page One fight would be boring since Sanji was able to pretty much toy with him already and walk out unscathed. Whose Who could be a good matchup, long legged dude. Although he looks to have a fancy sword, so maybe Saski instead.

 

[afromarco005]

I was thinking a bit Sanji discussing the Raid Suit when he fought Page One (ch931), he said he wanted Franky and Usopp to make some changes to it. What sort of changes do you see Sanji making to the suit?

Or better yet, what changes would you like to see done to the suit? It's mostly going to be superficial I think, such as design changes. I don't think anythig needs to be done to the functionality.

I feel like Sanji would benefit from having some kind of projectile or mid long range attacks of some sort.

Knowing Franky he will add weapons maybe compressed wind/gaz canons so sanji can throw fire from his suit.

they could make the suit sticky so Sanji can walk and stick on walls while invisible to enhance his spy abilities.

Another idea I have is the raid suit injecting some kind of drug that would boost him even further for a few minutes then he would be unable to move for a while.

 

[nik87]

With Jinbe finally in the crew, Strawhats got a reliable member who can deal with water and currently in the crew there are 4 Devil fruit users and 6 members without a Devil fruit ability. With Jinbes abilities the crew should be safe even if they fall into the water so maybe Sanjino can finally eat a devil fruit... Hopefully, one that will make him strong instead of an even bigger gag character.