Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Brandish μ]

Whaddya mean good? Sanji seems good at CoA that even Judge praised him for it. I wouldn't be surprised if Sanji could use blackening CoA, even, as that seems to be a basic.

Okay, he's good(?) I'm not sure if I understand you, as you say blackening is basic, but seem to make the point of that being superior to Judge's praise...

 

[M3J]

Okay, he's good(?) I'm not sure if I understand you, as you say blackening is basic, but seem to make the point of that being superior to Judge's praise...

I mean, that was more for you to correct me if I got Sanji knowing CoA wrong, as I'm going by Luffy saying Sanji knows CoA, and Judge praising him for knowing CoA. I don't know if it is basic, given Part I, or if it's actually a step above basic, like Super Saiyan 2 being above Super Saiyan. Hence "seems." However, point was that Sanji does know CoA and thus likely knows the blackening version, but he knows CoA well enough that Judge was impressed.

 

[Shasha23]

Judge was not impressed that Sanji knows haki, he was shocked a good for nothing like Sanji was able to learn haki, and he then proceeded to beat Sanji.
Acknowledgement of ones skills does not mean being impressed by them, it just means you accept they can do something!

 

[HereNThere]

Sanji knows hardening.

We saw it clearly for the first time in chapter 976.

He hasn't fought with it yet, but he knows it.

 

[Shasha23]

Sanji knows hardening.

We saw it clearly for the first time in chapter 976.

He hasn't fought with it yet, but he knows it.

That was just Oda using shadow effects, you can see other parts of the background is darkened, also CoA has a unique white outline to it which was not present on that chapter.

For me Sanji has CoA but to the level Luffy displayed in 3D2Y, its hit and miss for him that's why he doesn't try to use it.

 

[nik87]

Lol, Sanji's Zoom Pursuit for Hardening continues!

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Nah that be someone else. Sanji after stronger enemies than swatches on foes he dominated and beaten. Though think Zoro could face them he needs to prove himself since he been hype tool badly From getting damaged easily, being on his knees to his enemies and worst of all fainting.

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Think he could run into PO since he was near to Luffy and he already run into him and Ulti.

Sanji vs King or Queen works out fine while different T6H will might be a warm-up fight to it.

are you sure? Sanji was also used as hype tool when drake beat him up on Yasuie's execution.
I doubt about king, but probably queen. Will be cool to see sanji and chopper vs queen (chopper to detoxify the plaque)

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Lol, Sanji's Zoom Pursuit for Hardening continues!

Lmao you need CoO to detect sanji's hardening

 

[King Moe]

Ah okay, so it's more from the perspective that a headliner isn't strong enough.

Not so sure, considering Sanji couldn't take out Page One, but he clearly outclassed him. Sanji really needs to develop a haki game. The suit boosted all his physical stats, so if he became somewhat good at armament haki (which fits the epithet of "Black Leg") then he'll be fit to take down a commander.

Pretty sure he did. Doesn't explain why PO vanish from mission with Drake and Hawkins. He beaten to the point of being gone 2 weeks. Just case with Holdem and Kamazou coming back, but much severe on his case.

YC lvl threat is more his future which possible with King or Queen.

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are you sure? Sanji was also used as hype tool when drake beat him up on Yasuie's execution.
I doubt about king, but probably queen. Will be cool to see sanji and chopper vs queen (chopper to detoxify the plaque)

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Lmao you need CoO to detect sanji's hardening

Nah Drake was hype tool for him as he couldn't even touch him except one attack and even that he easily tank unlike 'certain swordsman' who ran from a enemy who wasn't even an enemy and easily played him.

Chopper seems to have his hands full with someone else, but he can help Zoro giving his injuries tendency. Sanji has possibility facing King or Queen with maybe even Macro together given similarities all around.

Also Sanji have Hardening. You can see that and knows how to use it with flexibility unlike the 'one' holding weapons.

 

[Brandish μ]

Pretty sure he did. Doesn't explain why PO vanish from mission with Drake and Hawkins. He beaten to the point of being gone 2 weeks. Just case with Holdem and Kamazou coming back, but much severe on his case.

Possibly. The anime showed Page One getting up. Which kinda makes sense to me, since Sanji didn't use haki in that attack. If Sanji were to use haki with his RS he would've take Page One out imo.

Also Sanji have Hardening. You can see that and knows how to use it with flexibility

He likely does.

 

[King Moe]

Possibly. The anime showed Page One getting up. Which kinda makes sense to me, since Sanji didn't use haki in that attack. If Sanji were to use haki with his RS he would've take Page One out imo.



He likely does.

Oda said Anime sometimes follow it's own direction, not his, so can't use it as canon unless you think Batman was so strong to stop Luffy and Zoro by himself in added anime scene, so we can't use it as canon on changes it does. Also doesn't make sense as why PO willingly back out from direct order from his superiors? He would be punished severely if he just quickly gives up the moment he lost exchange in a fight and don't keep at it. Only conclusion is he was defeated to the point of needing recover which can happen and explain why Drake and Hawkins were on their own for entirely.

Yep and do you think Sanji will get Black Flames like Amaretrsu type of style from his Haki mixed with his abilities.

 

[Brandish μ]

Oda said Anime sometimes follow it's own direction, not his, so can't use it as canon unless you think Batman was so strong to stop Luffy and Zoro by himself in added anime scene, so we can't use it as canon on changes it does. Also doesn't make sense as why PO willingly back out from direct order from his superiors? He would be punished severely if he just quickly gives up the moment he lost exchange in a fight and don't keep at it. Only conclusion is he was defeated to the point of needing recover which can happen and explain why Drake and Hawkins were on their own for entirely.

Yep and do you think Sanji will get Black Flames like Amaretrsu type of style from his Haki mixed with his abilities.

With the Page One scene, is that when the manga chapters came out it was speculated as to what happened there, as the scene cut away from Sanji vs Page One too quickly. So it's inconclusive based on the manga, and conclusive based on the anime.

Not sure if haki can affect flames like those - does Luffy's Red Hawk go black when using haki?

 

[King Moe]

With the Page One scene, is that when the manga chapters came out it was speculated as to what happened there, as the scene cut away from Sanji vs Page One too quickly. So it's inconclusive based on the manga, and conclusive based on the anime.

Not sure if haki can affect flames like those - does Luffy's Red Hawk go black when using haki?

Oda still make decision to be the fight why he was kept out since, so for him he wanted to push Sanji was the reason he didn't keep pursuing and probably was damage to the point he couldn't. So think that what Oda is pushing while Anime didn't know how to react to it and did their own thing without his consent on matter much. The same with having Batman being strong to handle against Luffy and Zoro when they didn't face that much difficult with him in manga.

It can technically since Luffy conjure flames from his Red Hawk, so if so, Sanji could manipulate the color to change into black and increase the Power with Haki added to it.

 

[M3J]

I think this chapter indicates that Page might not be Sanji's opponent, so we'll probably see someone stronger take on Sanji.

 

[King Moe]

I think this chapter indicates that Page might not be Sanji's opponent, so we'll probably see someone stronger take on Sanji.

Pretty sure. Oda already had him defeat him prior with ease. There no point nor excitement do it again when we know outcome especially didn't try much in beating him easy. It be same as getting Luffy vs Holdem since he came back from his recovery too.

Think Sanji get warm-up fight with someone else before his final fight.

 

[nik87]

Perospero came to finish off the last Vinsmoke and looks like Sanji opponent, he doesnt use any sharp weapons from what I could tell.
Luffy getting involved with P1 and Ulti indeed hints toward those not being Sanji's opponents since Luffy didnt involve with Sanji's fights so far.
Also, I am pretty sure Ulti's headcanon is stronger than Vergo's hakiless leg so it's better that Sanji doesnt face her otherwise more bones would break.

PageOne was clearly above him physically and shrugged off his kicks like nothing. This chapter also hints that he has CoO since he sensed Luffy so even invisibility may not help if they would meet again, so no cheap shots like last time.
Pedro was much faster than Sanji and much more lethal and still lost easily to Perospero. Sanji taking out Perospero would be quite an accomplishment.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji vs Queen or King is more likely now if he going to actually rescued Mono or heading to a place significant to do damage to the enemies along facing warm-up fight before the final one.

Quite potential how it goes especially strong foes for him to face compare to 'certain weaponed character's who been hype tool by many characters.

 

[Fox666]

I think Perosperos is going to fight some Minks, because of Pedro...

 

[King Moe]

I think Perosperos is going to fight some Minks, because of Pedro...

Carrot and Nami along with allies vs Perospero and Prometheus possibly? No way she solo him. Maybe more on Su Long state, but feels take more than that to take him down. Perospero shown he is tenacious guy.

 

[Brandish μ]

PageOne was clearly above him physically and shrugged off his kicks like nothing.

I agree, in terms of physical strength. Sanji ran rings around him in the fight though, so all Sanji needs to do is use armament haki and he can waste Page One imo.

This chapter also hints that he has CoO since he sensed Luffy so even invisibility may not help if they would meet again, so no cheap shots like last time.

Yea this was a iffy thing in the chapter, I'm assuming it's sensing spirit for now. Luffy's presence is overwhelming and I don't think the same has been said about Sanji so far, so Sanji could still be good to go.

 

[Fox666]

There's a difference between just sensing someone with CoO and using it to dodge attacks in combat. Also Page One seemed a bit hot-headed while fighting Sanji, which makes it harder to use CoO.