It helps enhance his abilities and withstand attacks. It's not just limited to stealth, he also uses it in fights and has commented at least twice how useful it is. Manga shows this, go debate Oda.
It helps enhance his abilities and withstand attacks. It's not just limited to stealth, he also uses it in fights and has commented at least twice how useful it is. Manga shows this, go debate Oda.
Not as oda shows, more skill than anything and haki under it. As shown before with oda pushing him to fight King without RS and his own strength as are the moments Oda has been giving him over other strawhats
The RS is straight up a boost to sanji's speed, strength and endurance without sanji having to do much of anything. Most other weapons in the series are essentially just lumps of steel or wood or whatever else they are made of without the haki to make them not be worthless. The RS and what it does for the user is simply not comparable to swords, bamboo sticks or even guns. Of course, haki probably would make the RS more effective but ultimately it still provides a fixed boost to everything. And it 100% saved sanji's life against king. The RS ultimately comes of as a crutch for third rate haki.
Not as oda shows, more skill than anything and haki under it. As shown before with oda pushing him to fight King without RS and his own strength as are the moments Oda has been giving him over other strawhats
But in all seriousness, I think most of the Straw Hats will get a powerup of some sort, Jinbei being the possible exception. Luffy and Zoro did, Nami is hinted to, and now Sanji.
Sanji Already has a power up. We just need to see his named attacks wearing the suit.
You people need to chill with the trolling still. We get it Moe kun does overrate Sanji but I can’t let you all just disrespect him like this. The suit gives him less to do, probs giving an increase to his Endurance, but let’s be honest he has managed to get the jump on fighters rightly below YC showing he could fight them. Most attacks were unnamed. Correct me if I’m also wrong but he wasn’t using DJ against oven or P1 and people still want to on him.
Base Sanji also landed a kick on a fully battle ready Drake. So you all can stop with the . He’s competent just not as durable.
Suit adds to his speed which also equals power and suit makes him durable too... but let’s not try treat Sanji like he’s some ussop type character
RS is more skill than true power though as invisibility can't help boost anything and from what we seen he use it on stealth missions, not for lack of power. That still him inside the suit and fighting with his legs regardless if he wears it or not, so if we see new attacks and techniques it's more of what he create than more so suit make, but RS does have it's certain benefits which I already admit about it.
Look at what you wrote. What certain benefits of the RS do you acknowledge? Even Sanji himself praising and acknowledging at least one big boost (durability) the RS provides him, you still go on about how "the RS special power is invisibility and invisibility is not an offensive power so the RS doesn't boost anything".
You also claim that, Sanji kicking with his normal strength = Sanji kicking with his normal strength + an incredibly durable material? I guess then it's the same if I punch a man with my knuckles or if I do so wearing a titanium brass knuckles? Evidently no, so even without the speed boosts, the RS naturally enhances Sanji's kick.
Oh wait my bad I misinterpreted the manga page he was doing a cartwheel to avoid a chomp which looked like he’d landed on of his cartwheel kicks.
But regardless doesn’t take away from what I’ve said which youve not addressed .
He still kicked P1 with an unarmed attack in ch 930 and floored him in his base for. p1 was transformed. Equal almost in size to XDrake’s allosaurus so still the same. An unnamed attack strong enough to drop a dinosaur is not a joke.
Oh wait my bad I misinterpreted the manga page he was doing a cartwheel to avoid a chomp which looked like he’d landed on of his cartwheel kicks.
But regardless doesn’t take away from what I’ve said which youve not addressed .
He still kicked P1 with an unarmed attack in ch 930 and floored him in his base for. p1 was transformed. Equal almost in size to XDrake’s allosaurus so still the same. An unnamed attack strong enough to drop a dinosaur is not a joke.
Sanji was flooring dinosaurs with a single kick back at Little Garden, so I must say ancient zoans wouldn't really that impressive if not for their users all being strong haki users. I hope their hybrid forms will be better, since that's usually the strongest form for Zoans.
Sanji was flooring dinosaurs with a single kick back at Little Garden, so I must say ancient zoans wouldn't really that impressive if not for their users all being strong haki users. I hope their hybrid forms will be better, since that's usually the strongest form for Zoans.
Not sure if it’s cannon or in manga i remember what you’re pointing out... but yeah I’d also think a mindless dinosaur fares less than a Strong person with Dino power.
Yeah but the Fully transformed mode is the tankiest. That’s why Jack went into his mode to defend against/tank the Full moon minks.
Oh wait my bad I misinterpreted the manga page he was doing a cartwheel to avoid a chomp which looked like he’d landed on of his cartwheel kicks.
But regardless doesn’t take away from what I’ve said which youve not addressed .
He still kicked P1 with an unarmed attack in ch 930 and floored him in his base for. p1 was transformed. Equal almost in size to XDrake’s allosaurus so still the same. An unnamed attack strong enough to drop a dinosaur is not a joke.
That’s for sure but the thing is Drake and P1 are about the same in size. Maybe Drake will be bigger but if base Sanji can drop P1 it’s a testament to his raw strength
Which is what I was alluding to but you cropped out the one bit I made a mistake messing up the context of what I was saying
Look at what you wrote. What certain benefits of the RS do you acknowledge? Even Sanji himself praising and acknowledging at least one big boost (durability) the RS provides him, you still go on about how "the RS special power is invisibility and invisibility is not an offensive power so the RS doesn't boost anything".
You also claim that, Sanji kicking with his normal strength = Sanji kicking with his normal strength + an incredibly durable material? I guess then it's the same if I punch a man with my knuckles or if I do so wearing a titanium brass knuckles? Evidently no, so even without the speed boosts, the RS naturally enhances Sanji's kick.
RS gives him evasionness more due to invisibility factor since that is the main ability about it and durability as we discuss prior on the suit added more to his own. It can give speed, but don't see it much as for fight, but for going to traveling around as Sanji uses more his own speed when fighting and power is still mainly his since RS didn't give him new elemental power like his family or give feature to increase strength as we still see him fighting Black Leg style and staying true to his fighting power being his own.
Nah, Sanji kicks are just as strong even without RS as we seen he is capable fighting without need of RS and been stated early he see it more for disguise and stealth missions, not for sake of power as the power is still his own body even underneath RS.
The RS is straight up a boost to sanji's speed, strength and endurance without sanji having to do much of anything. Most other weapons in the series are essentially just lumps of steel or wood or whatever else they are made of without the haki to make them not be worthless. The RS and what it does for the user is simply not comparable to swords, bamboo sticks or even guns. Of course, haki probably would make the RS more effective but ultimately it still provides a fixed boost to everything. And it 100% saved sanji's life against king. The RS ultimately comes of as a crutch for third rate haki.
Nah, RS only help certain stats, but not all. He is fighter capable even without RS, so Idk what you mean by that as he even damage YVs like Oven and PO without trying much and his Haki has shown to block powerful attacks like Daifuku Giant, Haki Armor Genie and Kanjuro's Ink Arrows which easily destroy ships, but couldn't damage him. Idk what your going off by, but you misunderstanding his character on how he use RS and thinking he isn't strong without it is laughable even more.
RS gives him evasionness more due to invisibility factor since that is the main ability about it and durability as we discuss prior on the suit added more to his own. It can give speed, but don't see it much as for fight, but for going to traveling around as Sanji uses more his own speed when fighting and power is still mainly his since RS didn't give him new elemental power like his family or give feature to increase strength as we still see him fighting Black Leg style and staying true to his fighting power being his own.
Nah, Sanji kicks are just as strong even without RS as we seen he is capable fighting without need of RS and been stated early he see it more for disguise and stealth missions, not for sake of power as the power is still his own body even underneath RS.
Since you ignore all of my points and instead of at least countering them you just insist with your baseless claims, I wonder why you even quote me.
Sanji keeping his fighting style does not contradict the RS boosting it. It was "stated early" that he would only use it for stealth missions only by you. Sanji has been praising the fighting-related boosts the suit has provided him for around the last 50 chapters.
Nobody's ever told you that Sanji is a weakling without the RS, because he is, we all know, but the RS makes him even stronger. You should be happy for that.
Since you ignore all of my points and instead of at least countering them you just insist with your baseless claims, I wonder why you even quote me.
Sanji keeping his fighting style does not contradict the RS boosting it. It was "stated early" that he would only use it for stealth missions only by you. Sanji has been praising the fighting-related boosts the suit has provided him for around the last 50 chapters.
Nobody's ever told you that Sanji is a weakling without the RS, because he is, we all know, but the RS makes him even stronger. You should be happy for that.
Not ignoring your points. I just give stats which RS works on, but your pushing I am ignoring instead of trying to read my post. If you don't like opinion, that's fine, but don't push I didn't answer your question as I just did.
Yes it does as look how his family fights with theirs and look how Sanji fight with his as he still keeps true to fighting with his legs and still using more his own style than fighting like his family does. Also never said he didn't use it in fights, but it's only on stealth missions, not he takes it to fight everyone everyone chance he gets. We see this already with him fighting enemies without RS and doing it again currently as Strawhats reunite and let's not forget that he face Drake without RS either, so no he doesn't depend on it as power thing, it's more for different use.
You and few others pushing he is given you think without RS, he can't fight anyone of notable anymore when it's shown his abilities without RS aren't anything to state that nor he states he can't do it without RS to fight someone either. I am happy him using RS, but we got acknowledge difference of how he use it compare to his family. He still hates Germa overall, so even using RS, he isn't going to fight like them and still stay true to the type of person he is without and with RS.
Not ignoring your points. I just give stats which RS works on, but your pushing I am ignoring instead of trying to read my post. If you don't like opinion, that's fine, but don't push I didn't answer your question as I just did.
I read through your whole post (not that I even have a choice now) and make sure I understand your points before I answer you. It's not about opinions: You did ignore all of my points in your answer, and just repeated yours without countering anything.
Even in this post, you still haven't countered my previous post. You're invited to go and do so.
Yes it does as look how his family fights with theirs and look how Sanji fight with his as he still keeps true to fighting with his legs and still using more his own style than fighting like his family does. Also never said he didn't use it in fights, but it's only on stealth missions, not he takes it to fight everyone everyone chance he gets. We see this already with him fighting enemies without RS and doing it again currently as Strawhats reunite and let's not forget that he face Drake without RS either, so no he doesn't depend on it as power thing, it's more for different use.
You and few others pushing he is given you think without RS, he can't fight anyone of notable anymore when it's shown his abilities without RS aren't anything to state that nor he states he can't do it without RS to fight someone either. I am happy him using RS, but we got acknowledge difference of how he use it compare to his family. He still hates Germa overall, so even using RS, he isn't going to fight like them and still stay true to the type of person he is without and with RS.
1- He fought Drake without RS but he didn't defeat Drake without RS.
2- What does his family fighting style have to do with anything? Nobody ever said that Sanji should change his fighting style or that RS would change it. It boosts his usual style: makes him stronger. What his brothers do or don't has nothing to do with this whole topic. We've even explained you how exactly the suit boosts Sanji's usual style, in more ways than one.
3- Sanji hasn't proven that he can fight someone like King without the RS. The only thing he has proven so far is that he would have been seriously injured (if not killed) by King had it not been for the RS. We just saw this a chapter ago.
4- Sanji hating Germa has nothing to do with this. He's coming to terms with the suit being just "a piece of useful technology", and if he's willing to use it for stealth missions, as you say, there's no reason why he wouldn't be willing to use it for a fight, as long as it helps him win easier.
Can you explain what the difference between stealth and fighting is for Sanji? Why would he be willing to put his ego aside "only for stealth" but not for defeating strong pirates that are after his (or his crew's) life?
Can you explain what the difference between stealth and fighting is for Sanji? Why would he be willing to put his ego aside "only for stealth" but not for defeating strong pirates that are after his (or his crew's) life?
@King Moe this was his main reason for wearing the suit and he found that it does help him in fights too. I know this and I’m an advocate for Sanji.
What you’re saying is just as ridiculous as the Zoro fans denying that If Zoros new sword extracts all his haki and this way he was able to defeat a stronger opponent. Zoro would have gotten some help imo and in any logical persons brain. Current Zoro with his haki level losing and the new sword pushing his haki to win. Do you get what I mean Moe?
So back to Sanji if he fights king or queen and he’s struggling without the suit and he puts it on and starts dominating. Would you say he’s winning cos of the invisibility?
Nah, RS only help certain stats, but not all. He is fighter capable even without RS, so Idk what you mean by that as he even damage YVs like Oven and PO without trying much and his Haki has shown to block powerful attacks like Daifuku Giant, Haki Armor Genie and Kanjuro's Ink Arrows which easily destroy ships, but couldn't damage him. Idk what your going off by, but you misunderstanding his character on how he use RS and thinking he isn't strong without it is laughable even more.
It boosts at least his strength, endurance and speed. And all 3 of them substantially at that. Even sanji credited the durability boost to him not taking much damage from king.... And he'd be straight up dead without it. You are purposedly downplaying how big a boost the suit is for sanji. Add to that, king is a substantially greater threat than oven and page one. And who hasn't beaten page one by now? The guy is a joke.
It boosts at least his strength, endurance and speed. And all 3 of them substantially at that. Even sanji credited the durability boost to him not taking much damage from king.... And he'd be straight up dead without it. You are purposedly downplaying how big a boost the suit is for sanji. Add to that, king is a substantially greater threat than oven and page one. And who hasn't beaten page one by now? The guy is a joke.
Durability it can, but speed is something else for travel speed than fighting speed as he use more his own speed for that, but nothing on power though. Never stated it doesn't work on his stats, but just saying it's not on everything given more special purpose of it is invisibility which does not increase your attack power no matter how you want to push it. His power is more his own than RS.
Not downplaying, your pushing more factor without suit Sanji is not capable fighter which is downplay your forcing. Also I know King is stronger than both as my example was about how Sanji without RS was able to damage Oven and PO who are high YVs in respective Yonko Crews without him trying much, so just saying if he use more of his power, he is much stronger than he looks without RS.
@King Moe this was his main reason for wearing the suit and he found that it does help him in fights too. I know this and I’m an advocate for Sanji.
What you’re saying is just as ridiculous as the Zoro fans denying that If Zoros new sword extracts all his haki and this way he was able to defeat a stronger opponent. Zoro would have gotten some help imo and in any logical persons brain. Current Zoro with his haki level losing and the new sword pushing his haki to win. Do you get what I mean Moe?
So back to Sanji if he fights king or queen and he’s struggling without the suit and he puts it on and starts dominating. Would you say he’s winning cos of the invisibility?
Not really as he stated he need disguise for use for it as well been using in stealth missions than need for fighting someone with it. Not denying him using RS, but how he goes about using. If he desperate need to fight with suit, then he wouldn't face Drake early on without it as well fighting an horde of enemies as well. He will use the RS, but it's not an a desire of 'need', but how he feels when right time to use it.
Enma is something else different and build more magic sword than skill thing while RS is build more about skill uses since it's more complex to use compare to the sword with anyone with high Haki can use.
I read through your whole post (not that I even have a choice now) and make sure I understand your points before I answer you. It's not about opinions: You did ignore all of my points in your answer, and just repeated yours without countering anything.
Even in this post, you still haven't countered my previous post. You're invited to go and do so.
1- He fought Drake without RS but he didn't defeat Drake without RS.
2- What does his family fighting style have to do with anything? Nobody ever said that Sanji should change his fighting style or that RS would change it. It boosts his usual style: makes him stronger. What his brothers do or don't has nothing to do with this whole topic. We've even explained you how exactly the suit boosts Sanji's usual style, in more ways than one.
3- Sanji hasn't proven that he can fight someone like King without the RS. The only thing he has proven so far is that he would have been seriously injured (if not killed) by King had it not been for the RS. We just saw this a chapter ago.
4- Sanji hating Germa has nothing to do with this. He's coming to terms with the suit being just "a piece of useful technology", and if he's willing to use it for stealth missions, as you say, there's no reason why he wouldn't be willing to use it for a fight, as long as it helps him win easier.
Can you explain what the difference between stealth and fighting is for Sanji? Why would he be willing to put his ego aside "only for stealth" but not for defeating strong pirates that are after his (or his crew's) life?
1. Drake didn't beat Sanji either and tank his attack from the many strikes he failed to hit Sanji and couldn't get him after the fight. Sanji wasn't even bother by his presence when he was using COO on locating around the area.
2. Use weapons, fight with their hands, use many of the functions of RS, can't fight no one even fodder without putting on RS first, Elemental Power/Strength Features (Other is more on Yonji who was given physical strength one), etc.. Sanji is fighting different compare to them as shown with his family as he doesn't want to fight as a Germa, but as himself even when wearing the suit. Why you think he still dislike notion of Germa even wearing the RS and changing his name to Soba-Mask? He want to do things his own way, not how his family operates on how he use RS which he is showing.
3. Didn't say he wouldn't fight King without it, but his power will still be his own power since RS doesn't give you feature of power boost since invisibility only give you evasion as main feature of it. RS does work on his durability, but he still durable without it as shown tanking Drake's Full Zoan and Kanjuro's Ink Arrows, so it adds on together respectively with RS.
4. No he isn't as you hear his voice he doesn't come to terms with Germa anything and just dislike RS still even as he use it. If he want to use it to fight, he wouldn't have take it off during horde of enemies everyone is fighting with right now and would stay in the suit. Your forgetting crucial he can fight without it, he isn't helpless person.
Look at the times how Sanji been using the suit, did he use it during times of stealth or feeling he can't do anything and need power? Cause he never state the 'need of power' and since first time he wanted to use it is for disguise, not for sake he can't beat someone. Next time we see him using it is to peek around hot springs and now saving Momo in stealth situations, not wearing it 24/7 when fighting enemies. He wouldn't fight Drake if he felt he can't beat him without RS no when war starts with horde of fodders around going in, but he still fought off Drake and beat fodders without RS. The RS is useful, but not necessity for Sanji as the man can fight without it which has been proven.
1. Drake didn't beat Sanji either and tank his attack from the many strikes he failed to hit Sanji and couldn't get him after the fight. Sanji wasn't even bother by his presence when he was using COO on locating around the area.
1. If Drake beat or didn't beat Sanji is besides the point. You bring up his encounter with Drake as if it proved that a Tobi Roppo is below him without the RS, yet their encounter didn't provide any conclusive prove about that.
2. Use weapons, fight with their hands, use many of the functions of RS, can't fight no one even fodder without putting on RS first, Elemental Power/Strength Features (Other is more on Yonji who was given physical strength one), etc.. Sanji is fighting different compare to them as shown with his family as he doesn't want to fight as a Germa, but as himself even when wearing the suit. Why you think he still dislike notion of Germa even wearing the RS and changing his name to Soba-Mask? He want to do things his own way, not how his family operates on how he use RS which he is showing.
3. Didn't say he wouldn't fight King without it, but his power will still be his own power since RS doesn't give you feature of power boost since invisibility only give you evasion as main feature of it. RS does work on his durability, but he still durable without it as shown tanking Drake's Full Zoan and Kanjuro's Ink Arrows, so it adds on together respectively with RS.
3. Yes, you did say many times that Sanji will "never use his RS for fighting", so you're straight up lying about what you have said.
Sanji's power using the RS will be his own power boosted by the RS, because the RS boosts his durability and, by extension, the strength of his kicks. Not to mention his speed. It's a fact that it boosts his power, so stop talking about invisibility while denying and undermining everything else it does.
He's durable without the RS? Yes. But he's not durable enough. He would have died last week without the RS. What you say goes against what Sanji himself has recently said in the manga. If you love Sanji so much you should believe what he says.
4. No he isn't as you hear his voice he doesn't come to terms with Germa anything and just dislike RS still even as he use it. If he want to use it to fight, he wouldn't have take it off during horde of enemies everyone is fighting with right now and would stay in the suit. Your forgetting crucial he can fight without it, he isn't helpless person.
4. Nobody's called him a helpless person, but he would have died to King last week without it. Sanji is a strong person, but he's likely not YC1 level, so what problem do you have to him boosting his power through the RS to be able to beat down stronger opponents? It's just a tool; of course Sanji wearing the RS will be worlds stronger than me myself wearing the RS, but the RS still boosts his power and his overall fighting capabilities, and you can't deny it. I, however, have already proven you many times with panels from the manga that the RS does boost Sanji.
Look at the times how Sanji been using the suit, did he use it during times of stealth or feeling he can't do anything and need power? Cause he never state the 'need of power' and since first time he wanted to use it is for disguise, not for sake he can't beat someone. Next time we see him using it is to peek around hot springs and now saving Momo in stealth situations, not wearing it 24/7 when fighting enemies. He wouldn't fight Drake if he felt he can't beat him without RS no when war starts with horde of fodders around going in, but he still fought off Drake and beat fodders without RS. The RS is useful, but not necessity for Sanji as the man can fight without it which has been proven.
Nobody's said he will wear it 24/7. Nobody but you, putting words in my mouth, is saying that Sanji can't defeat fodder without the RS.
The RS is now like Zoro's bandana. Of course Sanji can beat weaker people without it or hold his own against certain strong people without it, but when he wants to face a stronger opponent than himself, like King, he will wear the RS because the RS gives him a boost of power to his usual fighting style.
on him.
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messing up the context of what I was saying
