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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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Zoro looks like he be hype tool by Yonkos given we know he isn't defeating neither.
No one is defeating either of them. That's why there is 5.

Yeah while Kaido was focus on Luffy and he took his chance to strike at him. Not face to face confrontation. By that logic we should put Franky in this given he attack Big Mom while she wasn't looking at him, so he could harm Kaido the same. What happens in team fight can't be said what will happen in solo fight except maybe Luffy who can be given chance more given he prove himself on fighting by himself.
It was a face to face confrontation. Kaido sees him before he can even attack.

Yeah, he did, but said it's the sword, not really him. Zoro even comments about Enma on it's abilities, so hard to use it more his feat if Enma has mind of it's own to cut him down. Actually not really as Scabbards did damage to Kaido the same, but got defeated easily one by one. Team fights can't push you on another tier if your getting help for it.
That's not an excuse, the weapon is useless by itself, it's all on the wielder.
 

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No one is defeating either of them. That's why there is 5.



It was a face to face confrontation. Kaido sees him before he can even attack.



That's not an excuse, the weapon is useless by itself, it's all on the wielder.
Luffy is beating Kaido, that will happen. That isn't theory, Oda is pushing him to be one to defeat Kaido and possible defeat record of him on 1 on 1 fights.

No, Kaido was going to attack and eat Luffy and then Zoro came to attack him to save Luffy after his timelimit happen. Not because Kaido direction was towards him. Also you do see in that same page he stated 'Oden's Sword', meaning Enma is more reason how he cut him, not by skill given Yonkos been talking about sword is special about it.

It's one thing if just regular weapon, I agree with you. Though their talks keep stating it has own abilities and even Zoro stated it having abilities of it's own. Doesn't mean Zoro isn't strong on his own, but it's clear Enma is that situational equipment for why Zoro can harm him if they didn't eveb mention his other blades except Enma.
 

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Luffy is beating Kaido, that will happen. That isn't theory, Oda is pushing him to be one to defeat Kaido and possible defeat record of him on 1 on 1 fights.
Well, he's clearly not strong enough. He can't even use Gear 4 for more than 10 minutes.

No, Kaido was going to attack and eat Luffy and then Zoro came to attack him to save Luffy after his timelimit happen. Not because Kaido direction was towards him. Also you do see in that same page he stated 'Oden's Sword', meaning Enma is more reason how he cut him, not by skill given Yonkos been talking about sword is special about it.
You can see Kaido's attention on Zoro. It takes skill to tame that sword. Otherwise anyone could've taken it and tried using it.

It's one thing if just regular weapon, I agree with you. Though their talks keep stating it has own abilities and even Zoro stated it having abilities of it's own. Doesn't mean Zoro isn't strong on his own, but it's clear Enma is that situational equipment for why Zoro can harm him if they didn't eveb mention his other blades except Enma.
If Zoro drops that sword, it's not going to grow legs and fight on it's own. Zoro tamed that sword and he's doing damage using it.
 

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Well, he's clearly not strong enough. He can't even use Gear 4 for more than 10 minutes.



You can see Kaido's attention on Zoro. It takes skill to tame that sword. Otherwise anyone could've taken it and tried using it.



If Zoro drops that sword, it's not going to grow legs and fight on it's own. Zoro tamed that sword and he's doing damage using it.
Luffy hasn't gone all out yet. He probably will do a new G4 Form or maybe theory/rumor G5 against Kaido. So wouldn't say that until we see how fight goes especially when Luffy vs Kaido on his own more.

Actually everyone has power to have Enma in their hands if we look at notable characters. Give to Luffy, you can same slicing results, not just Zoro can hold the sword. He did turn his eye, but not his body to Zoro as he was still near Luffy cause he see him as most major threat which why he wanted to get him after his time limit happen.

Not saying that. Though it's clear it's situational equipment for this, not because Zoro by his own power which doesn't make sense given his own power this arc in fights haven't been good especially in solo fights. Enma is more the one doing damage than him. Why you think Big Mom and Kaido keep mentioning Enma, but not his other swords? Doesn't make sense from what you stating on that.
 
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Luffy hasn't gone all out yet. He probably will do a new G4 Form or maybe theory/rumor G5 against Kaido. So wouldn't say that until we see how fight goes especially when Luffy vs Kaido on his own more.
Luffy is not strong enough to beat a Yonko on his own. That's a given.

Actually everyone has power to have Enma in their hands if we look at notable characters. Give to Luffy, you can same slicing results, not just Zoro can hold the sword. He did turn his eye, but not his body to Zoro as he was still near Luffy cause he see him as most major threat which why he wanted to get him after his time limit happen.
This is just straight denial at this point lol. Might as well give Usopp Enma and he's >> Kaido.

Not saying that. Though it's clear it's situational equipment for this, not because Zoro by his own power which doesn't make sense given his own power this arc in fights haven't been good especially in solo fights. Enma is more the one doing damage than him. Why you think Big Mom and Kaido keep mentioning his swords, but not his other swords? Doesn't make sense from what you stating on that.
No, they mention his swords because it was Oden's. It's called flashback memories. But as was shown earlier in the arc, Zoro used his power to tame it.
 

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Luffy is not strong enough to beat a Yonko on his own. That's a given.



This is just straight denial at this point lol. Might as well give Usopp Enma and he's >> Kaido.



No, they mention his swords because it was Oden's. It's called flashback memories. But as was shown earlier in the arc, Zoro used his power to tame it.
Oda hyping he is especially ongoing hints or at least Kidd and Law could be ones to badn together to take him out, but Luffy is doing the most damage though.

Where I say Usopp? I am talking about Luffy. Are they same level? Please stop trying to change what was stated above by me. I said anyone with Haki especially COA can work with Enma. If you answer is only Zoro can handle it, then that is headcannon, not the the truth.

No, they only mention Enma, not his other swords. It is that sword being issue, not by his skill otherwise they would state something else. Big Mom and Kaido know what on power is and Enma is magical sword that he is using by situational means for it.
 

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Guys, this is Sanji's thread.
Sorry on that.
I put my 2 cents and Moe didn't like me mentioning Zoro. Back to the ignore list he goes.
No, just mentioning to correct you. I know about Zoro's strength, but your push it bit much on another level especially in team fight.

Though let's get back on topic at hand here. Sanji will face someone stronger later and going to have moment to change the tide of battle perhaps..
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What you guys think about SBS and do you think it leads to hints of Sanji's future on the good side. With him living nearby or at All Blue as seem possible especially him making his own restaurant not just for his dream, but also think he be like a guardian to those to prevent them reaching Raftel and getting their hands on it. Looks to be possibility perhaps on that.
 

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I’m expecting sanjis genes to “pop” if you will against a strong opponent. Oda is playing around with matchups too much first i thought he’d fight queen and then jack but now he just wants readers in the dark.

whether it’s queen king or a flying 6 member he will come back on top. Or have no fight at all but be the clutch reason the crew survives at the end of wano. I’m hoping for both.
 

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I’m expecting sanjis genes to “pop” if you will against a strong opponent. Oda is playing around with matchups too much first i thought he’d fight queen and then jack but now he just wants readers in the dark.

whether it’s queen king or a flying 6 member he will come back on top. Or have no fight at all but be the clutch reason the crew survives at the end of wano. I’m hoping for both.
Pretty sure he facing King or Queen given the hints about that on them. You believe in theory of his Lineage Factor coming in?
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Seems like sanji is going to fight kanjuro
Why when Kinemon feels personal to defeat him especially rest of Scabbards. Sanji not facing him as his major fight. He going to be facing King or Queen given they want Momo to be taken out the most.
 

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Pretty sure he facing King or Queen given the hints about that on them. You believe in theory of his Lineage Factor coming in?
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I think it already started pre timeskip but it hasn’t matured yet similar to the haki bloom and ashura theory. Just don’t see the suit lasting he’s too against it.
 

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I think it already started pre timeskip but it hasn’t matured yet similar to the haki bloom and ashura theory. Just don’t see the suit lasting he’s too against it.
CPO mentioning it giving me ideas Sanji could unlock something new as he fights while adding on to new stuff haven't shown yet. What is your theory on what it will be like?
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Also what your thoughts about SBS timeskip on him?
 

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CPO mentioning it giving me ideas Sanji could unlock something new as he fights while adding on to new stuff haven't shown yet. What is your theory on what it will be like?
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Also what your thoughts about SBS timeskip on him?
It’s a huge toss up oda would stop trashing him then I’d be excited but I can’t say until wano is over or at least the one on one matches.
 

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It’s a huge toss up oda would stop trashing him then I’d be excited but I can’t say until wano is over or at least the one on one matches.
When it comes to women, you should expect it. Doesn't mean he is doing bad. We seen this before and it's to set up for bigger moment for him and facing someone stronger later.
 

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When it comes to women, you should expect it. Doesn't mean he is doing bad. We seen this before and it's to set up for bigger moment for him and facing someone stronger later.
Is it because you said he is yonko level?
 

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When it comes to women, you should expect it. Doesn't mean he is doing bad. We seen this before and it's to set up for bigger moment for him and facing someone stronger later.
It has less to do with his character defining moments and how little his badass moments have been since the timeskip.

unlike the others tho only Luffy and zoro seem to have gotten some consistent shine since the timeskip. With the crew it’s been small but the lacking of even one on one matches is telling after 400 chapters plus for majority of the mugiwaras. Sanji isn’t the only one who’s been underplayed to show off alliances and the supernova.
 

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Is it because you said he is yonko level?
Where I stated Sanji is on Yonko level? Can you quote me on that? Cause only been saying he is YC lvl as in Yonko Commander level.
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It has less to do with his character defining moments and how little his badass moments have been since the timeskip.

unlike the others tho only Luffy and zoro seem to have gotten some consistent shine since the timeskip. With the crew it’s been small but the lacking of even one on one matches is telling after 400 chapters plus for majority of the mugiwaras. Sanji isn’t the only one who’s been underplayed to show off alliances and the supernova.
I mean he has his badass moments, but think issue here is we haven't seen more on fighting on Strawhats unless they are Luffy as they haven't gotten full fight along being challenge on it. Even Zoro has issues on his fights especially in Wano. Though this arc is being like Enies Lobby on each one getting a fight and challenge for them (except Zoro since don't see him beating 2 Yonkos, so guess he is just support on his side). We just need patience on his side as he going to do big moments for later and change the tide of battle for it.
 
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