Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[catagon87]

I am not picking and choosing scenes on Sanji unlike you picking and choosing scenes to say he didn't do something helpful when he did. If I want to pick and choose scene, I could have stated about Sanji fighting off Oven and Daifuku at same time, but not talking about that. Just timing of when Staff stated on Twitter they been talking to Oda about extending scenes and it was soon after Sanji vs Drake fight when upcoming flashback was being talk about. The timing of that talk and episode make sense on Oda giving blessing about that fight as again it could have been something else, but instead they have Sanji over Drake.

I don't even know what you're talking about. Even when I tell you I think Sanji is strong, and could defeat Page One it's not good enough for you. You're fucking exhausting, man.

True, but just saying by same logic few been using, Luffy couldn't beat PO if he choose to leave and not knock him out. So by that logic, why is he facing Kaido? You don't need to knockout an opponent every time to know characters were over them. Luffy and Sanji weren't even using full power and still dominated over PO.

A knock out is the classic way of winning a fight. This isn't like Luffy and Zoro vs Bellamy in the bar.

 

[King Moe]

I don't even know what you're talking about. Even when I tell you I think Sanji is strong, and could defeat Page One it's not good enough for you. You're fucking exhausting, man.



A knock out is the classic way of winning a fight. This isn't like Luffy and Zoro vs Bellamy in the bar.

Then you didn't try to read my post. I just explain to you about the situation. Idk why your frustrated when you quote to be in conversation. Glad you agree on that at least despite how you been.

Why does that example have to do? It doesn't change fact PO still came back after his attack. Just talking on hypocrisy on few stating Sanji didn't beat him due to him coming back in 2 weeks later and think he can't do more, when it is heavily implied he did beat him. What that says about Luffy who didn't stop him after his attack? Obvious you don't need to knockout your enemy all the time to know who is stronger. Do you get what I mean now?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

yea, moe is just biased here. Luffy performed better compared to sanji against page one. And nothing shameful to admit that. We know luffy is much stronger than sanji.
I'm also interested for sanji vs page one rematch, to be honest. Would be cool to see their all out fight here. I also don't recall ever see sanji and nami tag team before, so would be fun to see

 

[King Moe]

yea, moe is just biased here. Luffy performed better compared to sanji against page one. And nothing shameful to admit that. We know luffy is much stronger than sanji.
I'm also interested for sanji vs page one rematch, to be honest. Would be cool to see their all out fight here. I also don't recall ever see sanji and nami tag team before, so would be fun to see

Don't be biased just because I bring up good points unlike your biased to force fights that isn't there. Luffy and Sanji overwhelm PO that is shown. Stop with headcannons. Sanji facing someone stronger, it isn't needed unlike Zoro vs Orochi fight on story perspective. You been debunked on these theories.

 

[catagon87]

Then you didn't try to read my post. I just explain to you about the situation. Idk why your frustrated when you quote to be in conversation. Glad you agree on that at least despite how you been.

Why does that example have to do? It doesn't change fact PO still came back after his attack. Just talking on hypocrisy on few stating Sanji didn't beat him due to him coming back in 2 weeks later and think he can't do more, when it is heavily implied he did beat him. What that says about Luffy who didn't stop him after his attack? Obvious you don't need to knockout your enemy all the time to know who is stronger. Do you get what I mean now?

I read your post, I just struggled with its relevance. Maybe someone else can explain what you were trying to state to me. I don't have an aptitude for grasping your points, and didn't really feel like my points were disputed with any real evidence.

 

[King Moe]

I read your post, I just struggled with its relevance. Maybe someone else can explain what you were trying to state to me. I don't have an aptitude for grasping your points, and didn't really feel like my points were disputed with any real evidence.

Well it wasn't directed on you much, but more others who thinks if you don't knockout someone for long time, it doesn't mean they are stronger than them. Just saying that isn't the case as you can be dominant over them and the stronger person. Luffy shows that in PO. Sanji did especially PO didn't come back until 2 weeks later. It really shouldn't be debated or have hypocrisy on it.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Well it wasn't directed on you much, but more others who thinks if you don't knockout someone for long time, it doesn't mean they are stronger than them. Just saying that isn't the case as you can be dominant over them and the stronger person. Luffy shows that in PO. Sanji did especially PO didn't come back until 2 weeks later. It really shouldn't be debated or have hypocrisy on it.

nah, you got it wrong. King mentioned in onigashima that flying six don't respect the calamities as much as kaido. Fact was that sanji failed to beat PO. Sanji made a speech about reducing the enemy force and yet PO is still here. Sanji failed there. Sanji vs Page one rematch would be cool. We saw that PO also didn't have any trouble against invisibility either, like when he smashed sanji into buildings

 

[King Moe]

nah, you got it wrong. King mentioned in onigashima that flying six don't respect the calamities as much as kaido. Fact was that sanji failed to beat PO. Sanji made a speech about reducing the enemy force and yet PO is still here. Sanji failed there. Sanji vs Page one rematch would be cool. We saw that PO also didn't have any trouble against invisibility either, like when he smashed sanji into buildings

Again Luffy didn't defeat PO, so by your logic Luffy isn't stronger than PO given what he been doing to Kaido. Stop with debunked headcannon. We all know Luffy and Sanji are above T6H. No need for the fight to continue. Sanji also stated something about flying DF users like King, so he more focus on facing him or fight with Queen.

Got go by story perspective, not biased Headcannon you have.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Again Luffy didn't defeat PO, so by your logic Luffy isn't stronger than PO given what he been doing to Kaido. Stop with debunked headcannon. We all know Luffy and Sanji are above T6H. No need for the fight to continue. Sanji also stated something about flying DF users like King, so he more focus on facing him or fight with Queen.

Got go by story perspective, not biased Headcannon you have.

Nah, sanji isn't stronger than flying six. We saw drake beat him with his tail, and black maria just won too recently

 

[XXGenesis]

Nah, sanji isn't stronger than flying six. We saw drake beat him with his tail, and black maria just won too recently

Sanji is stronger than the flying six...Maybe not X Drake...But he’s around or above Xdrake lv

 

[King Moe]

Sanji is stronger than the flying six...Maybe not X Drake...But he’s around or above Xdrake lv

They are all around same level. There is no hierarchy among them. So Sanji is above Drake too especially he be facing someone stronger than Drake as well (Especially in Anime Staff see it. Though not saying scene is Canon. Only the vibe.).

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Nah, sanji isn't stronger than flying six. We saw drake beat him with his tail, and black maria just won too recently

He doesn't fight women. Why would he care for Maria when he defeated PO who never came back in a fight. Drake didn't stop him and tank his attack.

 

[XXGenesis]

They are all around same level. There is no hierarchy among them. So Sanji is above Drake too especially he be facing someone stronger than Drake as well (Especially in Anime Staff see it. Though not saying scene is Canon. Only the vibe.).

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I don’t know why I’m responding.
Anime...Why do you mention things that you know majority don’t acknowledge because it’s not; Canon. Sigh

For some reason you may have forget, all of dem acknowledged X Drake be the strongest, closest to the All Stars.

X Drake in a clash with Sanji was able to tag him with his tail, & brushed aside Sanji’s attack. We already seen Sanji suffer damage from casual punches of Black Moriah, but he wouldn’t fight back or dodge because, I guess he just became exhaustingly goofy post time skip

 

[Nie Li]

They are all around same level. There is no hierarchy among them. So Sanji is above Drake too especially he be facing someone stronger than Drake as well (Especially in Anime Staff see it. Though not saying scene is Canon. Only the vibe.).

The vibe from anime-only scenes isn't canon. Just like the scenes themselves. Stop bringing them up as points of debate for canon stuff.

 

[catagon87]

The vibe from anime-only scenes isn't canon. Just like the scenes themselves. Stop bringing them up as points of debate for canon stuff.

He's not arguing that anime-only scenes are canon, that's too broad. He's just positing that anime-only scenes in which Sanji appears favorably (him kicking Drake a few times) are canon, and the ones where he appears unfavorably (PO getting back up after his final kick) are not canon.

It's similar to the same delusional leaps you have to take to convince yourself that sneaking into a woman's bathhouse and spying on them is normal, acceptable behavior.

 

[Nie Li]

He's not arguing that anime-only scenes are canon, that's too broad. He's just positing that anime-only scenes in which Sanji appears favorably (him kicking Drake a few times) are canon, and the ones where he appears unfavorably (PO getting back up after his final kick) are not canon.

It's similar to the same delusional leaps you have to take to convince yourself that sneaking into a woman's bathhouse and spying on them is normal, acceptable behavior.

Now he's gone beyond that. He's saying: "Okay, the scene isn't canon, but the vibe from it (of Sanji being much stronger than Drake) is canon".

 

[catagon87]

Now he's gone beyond that. He's saying: "Okay, the scene isn't canon, but the vibe from it (of Sanji being much stronger than Drake) is canon".

Ahhh vibes, the inbred cousin of hunches.

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Going by vibes, I've picked up on several borderline sexual predator vibes from the character in question. Guess that's canon now.

 

[Rmstorm]

You know you Zoro fanboys are just trolling. Sanji low diffs Page one with the raidsuit. This is without combining his diable jumble with the raidsuit power.

 

[King Moe]

Ahhh vibes, the inbred cousin of hunches.

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Going by vibes, I've picked up on several borderline sexual predator vibes from the character in question. Guess that's canon now.

Imagine calling a character who refuse to harm women early that he will 'harm' them. You have no credibility and just going of on biased insecurity cause you got no backing.

Not hunches and please don't use 'inbred'. Can't have a discussion without you getting issue over something that has a point.

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He's not arguing that anime-only scenes are canon, that's too broad. He's just positing that anime-only scenes in which Sanji appears favorably (him kicking Drake a few times) are canon, and the ones where he appears unfavorably (PO getting back up after his final kick) are not canon.

It's similar to the same delusional leaps you have to take to convince yourself that sneaking into a woman's bathhouse and spying on them is normal, acceptable behavior.

Not saying every Anime scene are Canon. Just certain ones that have the proof.

Like how you ignore that Nami and Robin willingly let themselves be look at in mixed bath by strangers and want call Sanji looking at them sneakily is the problem, but not that? Man your biased hate doesn't hide nor calling out characters on their actions. Your being more like a certain Zoro-fans on picking and changing narration on issues.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Imagine calling a character who refuse to harm women early that he will 'harm' them. You have no credibility and just going of on biased insecurity cause you got no backing.

Not hunches and please don't use 'inbred'. Can't have a discussion without you getting issue over something that has a point.

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Hey Staff could do the scene to sonething else and they show Sanji over Drake without RS. We never seen Sanji's full power in a fight, so isn't farfetched even if it 'Non-Canon' to 'certain individuals' despite talk on Oda recently on Twitter on extending scenes soon after that episode. Got put dots together. Not like stating this without proof and just headcannon unlike few here thinking Sanji can't beat someone when it is heavily implied.

nah, you are just cherrypicking here. You get to stay consistent here. If anything, since you said the tweet only came after the drake battle, that meant the drake fight was also not canon

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Not playing favorites. We talking about Sanji and just stating his performance shown him above T6H. Not biased on stating on what is true. Idk why your insecurity comes around each time if someone want state something positive on Sanji. Getting back on topic if you don't mind, Sanji is reaching YC lvl in this arc given everyone are reaching new stage of power. That shouldn't be debated on when everyone is fighting to be stronger.

maybe after wano he's getting into YC4 level, but for now i would say sanji was still (struggling against) flying six level. We saw sanji lost to black maria, failed to beat page one, and was knocked down with drake's tail