SH’s have been getting aided in multiple battles; So just invalidate all their wins...Wtf? Who made up this ideology if your helped your win is invalid?
I’m ignoring the power scailing comments, because they are ignoring heavy context. Sanji is not tanking a Beam Attack From Franky or multiple beam attacks...Either Way Sanji is too fast for Franky to catch him
Dude if Sanji gets Aided thats fine, cause these other strawhats are likely going to get aided against the Tobi Roppo the way onigashima is being written right now. And If were being real Sanji getting aided makes sense given how Oda Portrayed Luffy against the Yonko Commanders in WCI. Luffy has been getting aided against every Commander level person Post Timeskip but y'all dont talk about that..........
1. Every Luffy Fight since Dressrosa is Invalidated if your gonna do that.......
2. Also Why are you lying about Brook and Chopper...... They were fighting fodder, then perospero lifted his hand up once and the two of them got fodderized..... Katakuri didn't even do anything lol.
3. Mihawk is actually more skilled than Zoro by My Logic bruh..... Thats the whole reason Zoro lost....strength means nothing if you lack skill.
Thats Why the Main Combatants in Luffys crew are people who have an actual fighting style.... 3 Sword Style, Black Leg style, Fishman Karate.
Nami has probably the 2nd or 3rd highest Attack power when She uses Her lighting attacks but she will never be a Main Combatant because she has no fighting skill.
Dude if Sanji gets Aided thats fine, cause these other strawhats are likely going to get aided against the Tobi Roppo the way onigashima is being written right now. And If were being real Sanji getting aided makes sense given how Oda Portrayed Luffy against the Yonko Commanders in WCI. Luffy has been getting aided against every Commander level person Post Timeskip but y'all dont talk about that..........
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1. Every Luffy Fight since Dressrosa is Invalidated if your gonna do that.......
2. Also Why are you lying about Brook and Chopper...... They were fighting fodder, then perospero lifted his hand up once and the two of them got fodderized..... Katakuri didn't even do anything lol.
3. Mihawk is actually more skilled than Zoro by My Logic bruh..... Thats the whole reason Zoro lost....strength means nothing if you lack skill.
Thats Why the Main Combatants in Luffys crew are people who have an actual fighting style.... 3 Sword Style, Black Leg style, Fishman Karate.
Nami has probably the 2nd or 3rd highest Attack power when She uses Her lighting attacks but she will never be a Main Combatant because she has no fighting skill.
I almost feel like Caesar is far more redeemable than Sanji after that Robin crap he pulled.
Reason being:
Caesar is a bad guy, and bad guys converting will be redeemable to an extent.
Whereas a supposed good guy who does something pretty bad and selfish things despite being "the good guy" and will likely pull the same crap again almost makes him irredeemable for me.
That aside, Oda's massacring Sanji's character. He's making all of his choices go on trial whether it's the cake, the nose bleeds at Fishman Island, the peeping... It's unending. He feels more like scum than a bad guy I think. I don't really like Sanji much since Wano.
Are you referring to the calling of Robin over to Black Maria?
I think that was pretty selfish, but I will have to see how it plays out. I'd like to think there's enough rapport built between Robin and Sanji that Robin knew she wouldn't be called by him unless he were desperate. The other logical leap I'm having to take is that Sanji knows Robin is the most intelligent person in the crew, and would scope out any traps before walking in.
Bad guys have an unfair advantage in redeem-ability. I vividly remember reading Alabasta for the first time and thinking that Crocodile was the most vile piece of human garbage in the OP world. From his torment of Vivi, to using all the country's lives, to the fail-safe nuke-like bomb he planted.
Then Marineford rolls around, and I see Crocodile save Ace, then fight FOR Luffy (though this was more rooted in principles than anything), and thought "Wow. Crocodile is pretty fucking cool."
Are you referring to the calling of Robin over to Black Maria?
I think that was pretty selfish, but I will have to see how it plays out. I'd like to think there's enough rapport built between Robin and Sanji that Robin knew she wouldn't be called by him unless he were desperate. The other logical leap I'm having to take is that Sanji knows Robin is the most intelligent person in the crew, and would scope out any traps before walking in.
I can let it go from a story perspective. It's just fictional, lol.
I guess my own principles, or rather, my expectations is as if I know someone was in danger, and I could do something? There's absolutely no reason for me not to protect them if not doing so will put them in immediate danger:
I'm capable.
I'm stronger.
They're family.
For me to uphold some dumb principle and actually drag them into a dangerous situation because of a principle I hold? That's disgusting. The question ultimately is could Sanji prevent Robin's danger? Yes.
If my mother or sisters were the most qualified MMA fighters in the world and someone was threatening to harm them in front of me. Yes, they can fight, but why remotely put them in danger when I can 100% mitigate any danger at all? He did more than put them in danger, he called for Robin and had the entire building know where Robin was. If the enemy wanted, they could focus all their allies on simply taking Robin, and what happens?
For those reasons, Sanji is absolute scum. The worst individual in the One Piece series; he's like the person who is the nicest guy in the world who for some odd reason... thinks it's okay to for some arbitrary reason, to ruin the livelihood of 1 random person every 15 years for absolutely no reason. He might go another 14 years, give to charity, do everything a good person does, but 15 years comes again, and he ruins the life or permanently scars someone mentally and sees no wrong in it... is that person a good person? That's what Sanji is to me, he's an arbitrarily evil selfish individual who will be good 99.9% of the time.
As a man, he's an utter piece of crap. His excuse for treasuring women is misplaced and arbitrary. It's basically just a sexual thing, and that even makes him more perverted.
I condone no violence against women, but in the situation where a loved one is in acute danger not just from death... but the potential of a life-time of torture?
It's taken 800 years to find the One Piece and it's not been found for 25 years since the last person did. Robin is 29... what if it takes 40 years to find it? I'm risking her being in 40 years of torture because "I'm a gentleman"?
Sanji's a no no, he's utterly irredeemable because he will do it again.
Imagine if Imu was a woman (plot twist) and she got hands on Robin. Sanji's the only one that can do anything since everyone else is away. What does Sanji do? Nothing? Consistency wise, yes, and that is why he can't be redeemed for me UNLESS Oda has him correct that foolishness and puts some more sensible conditions to this principle or limitation.
sorry but I just can't waste an opportunity to body someone's point......trolling or not. Plus this isn't Sanji vs Vergo where you can troll as much as you want because its an inconclusive fight in which you can argue either side and troll about it for eternity and no one can dispute anything.
I can let it go from a story perspective. It's just fictional, lol.
I guess my own principles, or rather, my expectations is as if I know someone was in danger, and I could do something? There's absolutely no reason for me not to protect them if not doing so will put them in immediate danger:
I'm capable.
I'm stronger.
They're family.
For me to uphold some dumb principle and actually drag them into a dangerous situation because of a principle I hold? That's disgusting. The question ultimately is could Sanji prevent Robin's danger? Yes.
If my mother or sisters were the most qualified MMA fighters in the world and someone was threatening to harm them in front of me. Yes, they can fight, but why remotely put them in danger when I can 100% mitigate any danger at all? He did more than put them in danger, he called for Robin and had the entire building know where Robin was. If the enemy wanted, they could focus all their allies on simply taking Robin, and what happens?
For those reasons, Sanji is absolute scum. The worst individual in the One Piece series; he's like the person who is the nicest guy in the world who for some odd reason... thinks it's okay to for some arbitrary reason, to ruin the livelihood of 1 random person every 15 years for absolutely no reason. He might go another 14 years, give to charity, do everything a good person does, but 15 years comes again, and he ruins the life or permanently scars someone mentally and sees no wrong in it... is that person a good person? That's what Sanji is to me, he's an arbitrarily evil selfish individual who will be good 99.9% of the time.
As a man, he's an utter piece of crap. His excuse for treasuring women is misplaced and arbitrary. It's basically just a sexual thing, and that even makes him more perverted.
I condone no violence against women, but in the situation where a loved one is in acute danger not just from death... but the potential of a life-time of torture?
It's taken 800 years to find the One Piece and it's not been found for 25 years since the last person did. Robin is 29... what if it takes 40 years to find it? I'm risking her being in 40 years of torture because "I'm a gentleman"?
Sanji's a no no, he's utterly irredeemable because he will do it again.
Imagine if Imu was a woman (plot twist) and she got hands on Robin. Sanji's the only one that can do anything since everyone else is away. What does Sanji do? Nothing? Consistency wise, yes, and that is why he can't be redeemed for me UNLESS Oda has him correct that foolishness and puts some more sensible conditions to this principle or limitation.
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I do wonder if there should be a literal shit-post room for the Sanji and Zoro memes and debates . Could be a terrible idea and it probably is, lol.
I'm not quite on team "Sanji is the worst human ever in OP". St. Charlos earned his permanent role there. That said I find it ironic that Sanji won't even defend himself against women due to the fact that "his Haki might hurt them", but he'd put Robin in a situation where she could be hurt. I don't see how it's different. If I am unwilling to even block hits from a woman, but willing to have my wife fight the same woman for me, she (the one I actually care about) is going to get hit way worse than the woman I don't care about would from me blocking her blows. It's really stupid and lazy writing with respect to the character.
Yeah, the problem is everything with these characters is considered a shit post. After years of Sanji vs Zoro circle-jerk I post an analysis of Sanji's character completely isolated from Zoro (his perverted side and how I find it repugnant), and every other post is "Can we plz get back on topic plz. Can RAID suit Sanji fite king?!"
It reminds me of politics. Everyone bitches about the candidate that gets elected, then they vote the same person back in anyways.
I'm not quite on team "Sanji is the worst human ever in OP". St. Charlos earned his permanent role there. That said I find it ironic that Sanji won't even defend himself against women due to the fact that "his Haki might hurt them", but he'd put Robin in a situation where she could be hurt. I don't see how it's different. If I am unwilling to even block hits from a woman, but willing to have my wife fight the same woman for me, she (the one I actually care about) is going to get hit way worse than the woman I don't care about would from me blocking her blows. It's really stupid and lazy writing with respect to the character.
Yeah, the problem is everything with these characters is considered a shit post. After years of Sanji vs Zoro circle-jerk I post an analysis of Sanji's character completely isolated from Zoro (his perverted side and how I find it repugnant), and every other post is "Can we plz get back on topic plz. Can RAID suit Sanji fite king?!"
It reminds me of politics. Everyone bitches about the candidate that gets elected, then they vote the same person back in anyways.
I'm generalizing / not really referring to anyone specific. The vibe I get is everyone pretends to hate talking about Zoro vs Sanji, but in reality if the topic ever veers from that, their respective fans, like a pack of wolves, jump so far up your ass you'll be coughing up sheep.
I think mods understand is unavoidable when pertaining to certain subjects.
It’s the fans that don’t like each other mostly.
Not too many’s fans don’t like both characters.
Then you have critical Sanji fans. Who take time out to clown Sanji.
That said I find it ironic that Sanji won't even defend himself against women due to the fact that "his Haki might hurt them", but he'd put Robin in a situation where she could be hurt. I don't see how it's different. If I am unwilling to even block hits from a woman, but willing to have my wife fight the same woman for me, she (the one I actually care about) is going to get hit way worse than the woman I don't care about would from me blocking her blows. It's really stupid and lazy writing with respect to the character.
There's a difference between a man hitting a woman and woman fighting a woman though. I don't think he has as much of an issue of seeing women get hurt by other women, at least if they're enemies. Not to mention, Sanji himself has said he has faith in Robin to take care of herself since she's been doing it for a better part of the decade, while he's usually more concerned about Nami. He doesn't think Robin will get beaten up by Maria, and that Brook will support Robin well. It'd just be more concerning if Sanji left Robin to fight a man.
There's a difference between a man hitting a woman and woman fighting a woman though. I don't think he has as much of an issue of seeing women get hurt by other women, at least if they're enemies. Not to mention, Sanji himself has said he has faith in Robin to take care of herself since she's been doing it for a better part of the decade, while he's usually more concerned about Nami. He doesn't think Robin will get beaten up by Maria, and that Brook will support Robin well. It'd just be more concerning if Sanji left Robin to fight a man.
Kind of weird that he dropped to the 4th place in the last popularity contest (actually no)
But honestly, what are your thoughts about that ?
For me, when I'm thinking about it, in the recent arcs, I consider that Nami was actually more supportive, level-headed and decisive compared to Sanji.
She's a major support of Luffy during WCI and is actually head-on facing Ultia now.
Still top 5 so...still a win as far as I'm concerned. If he actually gets some action moments down the line, I imagine he'll gain his spot back. He's been kicked out of the top 3 a couple times and he's always gotten back in by the next one.
. Could be a terrible idea and it probably is, lol.
