Discussion Spriggan 12 Magic

[Arjuna]

Regarding Bradman i think he manipulates blood pressure and causes the victims to die.If you look closely the blood vessels swell up and the victim coughs blood and dies.This is how it works.

 

[Kiki]

Does @Brandish have teleportation magic?

Spoiler: Brandish teleporting herself

 

[Brandish μ]

Does @Brandish have teleportation magic?

Spoiler: Brandish teleporting herself

Yea I'd say she uses something similar to Mest. Though it's not her main power, obviously.

 

[Char]

I'd say this was Sunshin no Jutsu style, just jumping to the boat.

 

[Doughboy]

there was a discussion about this awhile ago on the wiki, I thought she does too but it also could of been a miniaturized Marin as well teleporting her... remember when Mari came to Brandish's room? Dimaria: "There's a summons for the Spriggan 12, have him take you with his magic" this could also be interpreted that she doesn't possess that magic. Like God Serena's lightning type of magic he was gonna use to kill Warrod, we won't get a better idea until the anime probably

 

[The President]

I don't think DiMaria could affect characters with her own power level, Brandish should be in the clear. Kagura noticing an alteration in time is proof that you cannot apply the no limits fallacy for Age Seal (which quite a few people are doing). DiMaria ain't weak without Age Seal though, her God Soul puts her at the same level as the weaker Spriggan (Jacob, Neinhart) and Erza. I default Brandish at above that level for now, especially since I get the sense that DiMaria looks up to Brandish in some weird way.

Whether Brandishes power would work on someone with her power level is also up for questioning (she did it on Natsu, but I doubt he resisted), its highly unlikely though.

I thought August had used Zeus take-over or something, if it isn't it it would be cool if he does have a take-over for the strongest god. I want to see the highest level of different magic from him and The One Magic as his trump card. Needless to say I can't wait to see him in action.

 

[Kiki]

I thought she does too but it also could of been a miniaturized Marin as well teleporting her...

Tbt I thought the same. Since Marin is a spatial magic user. Not to mention, we all initially assumed he was killed by Randi, but it turned out he was still alive (he was in Lucy's bathroom)

If August and Irene are called the strongest Spriggan, they surely use kind of magic that is perfect-counter to hax magic like Randi and Jacob's spatial magic and Mari's time magic. They might use spatial magic or time magic or both.

 

[Brandish μ]

Yea it's exciting with August imo. I expect him to be the type of guy who can pull any spell out to stop some attack (like counter Natsu with a huge water spell), and then fire off some Abyss Break destroy everything.

Irene with her enchantments is sort of cool too. Her powers seem more mystic than what I think August will show. While I don't consider either of them close to Acnologia in power, I truly do think Irene will use magic that can trouble him. It'll be hax, but she's the queen of magic basically.

I'm ready to see what the elite Spriggan can do. It'll be interesting to see how much better they are than Jellal and Laxus.

 

[Kiki]

Irene with her enchantments is sort of cool too. Her powers seem more mystic than what I think August will show. While I don't consider either of them close to Acnologia in power, I truly do think Irene will use magic that can trouble him. It'll be hax, but she's the queen of magic basically.

Zeref's reaction is literally my reaction every chapter :P

Spoiler: Zeref and Irene

I'm ready to see what the elite Spriggan can do. It'll be interesting to see how much better they are than Jellal and Laxus.

Am waiting for them Which Spriggan do we have now? August, Irene, Larcade, Invel. Also Randi. Even if we already know her magic, but I want to see more of her. Speaking of Invel, I don't think he is an ordinary ice wizard. There must be something behind this sensei saves him for last.

 

[Doughboy]

So we almost know all of the 12s magics/main abilities.. let's run through what we know:

• Ajeel: Sand Magic
• August: Multiple
• Bradman: 9DG Curses & 3 Seals
• Brandish: Mass Manipulation
• DiMaria: Age Seal, God Soul
• God Serena: Dragon Slayer Magic
• Invel: Ice Magic
• Irene: Universe One (aka World Reconstruction Magic), Enchantment
• Jacob: Stealth, Transport
• Neinhart: Historia of the Dead
• Wahl: Weakness, Assault Mode

and we don't know the magic of Larcade, the official unoffical last Spriggan 12 but it's whatever. Gotta admit these magics are all so diverse which pretty much matches up with how diverse the 12s are, which is cool to me. Fav magic we've seen so far probably is either Age Seal or Weakness, with the 3 Seals, Universe One, and Historia of the Dead runner ups. What y'all like?

 

[Ebony Maw]

I personally loved Bradman's curses, though he really didn't utilize them that well, this may be because he was savoring the fight (Gajeel couldn't touch him) but still. I thought his Third Seal Release looked incredible and adding the curses of the 9DG was a nice touch, it also helps that he was the first Spriggan to kill a Fairy. The runner up may change depending on August and Irene, but as of now I like Weakness, it was cool seeing an army of robots that were tailor made to their opponents.

 

[Orgastthemage]

Does @Brandish have teleportation magic?

Spoiler: Brandish teleporting herself

It is probably Marin. Remember he can control space. Plus Brandish shrunk him at that time.

 

[Hermit]

• Neinhart: Historia of the Dead

• Wahl: Weakness, Assault Mode

I like the translation 'Historia of Corpses' for NeinHart's magic, it sort of gives him a unique vibe..
You forgot Nullification Magic for Wahl, or that classifies under Weakness Magic?

 

[Doughboy]

I like the translation 'Historia of Corpses' for NeinHart's magic, it sort of gives him a unique vibe..
You forgot Nullification Magic for Wahl, or that classifies under Weakness Magic?

think that's just his ability, can nuliffy magic barriers and stuff. like enchanting is irene's ability other than universe one

 

[Kiki]

This topic has been floating around recently (in Albareth Arc Power Ranking). DiMaria distorted the time. Ultear the ghost came to join the battle. Age Seal, a magic DiMaria stated that can not be defeated, is debatable. Did it affect the whole universe? I can not answer that, but I will show you the epic of Age Seal, the epic of a fight between two time wizards.

Spoiler: Age Seal. A magic that can not be defeated

Have you ever wondered why Mashima-sensei drew DiMaria vs TSS and Carla in the midst of Laxus vs Wall?

Spoiler: DiMaria activating Age Seal in the midst of Laxus vs Wall

Actually this was ever discussed a very long time ago (when the chapter itself was still fresh). Who was defeated first? Wall or DiMaria? And a few days ago we had people discussing about Age Seal's AoE.

This may be trivial. But I think DiMaria was the one who's defeated first, not Wall. Right after she activated Age Seal, the whole time in Hargeon (at least) got stopped. I can only say it affected Hargeon only, as I still need more proof before claiming it does affect the whole universe.

Spoiler: one of members of South S12 team has been defeated

Back in chapter 474, Warred reported one of S12 in Hargeon has been defeated. He also said "I don't know what's going on but someone must've helped them". It's literally "someone". Who is this person? I think it's Ultear.

From our POV, it looked like Wall was defeated first, DiMaria was second, and then Neinhart. But it's actually DiMaria was the first one. From some people around DiMaria, Ultear, Wendy and co's POV, it happened in a blink of eye, and DiMaria's defeat happened long before Wall's defeat. So it's not like Ultear came in together with Jellal and Merudy. Mashima-sensei drew her together with them in same chapter in order to make it epic (as they are the founders of Crime Sorciere).

In chapter 474, DiMaria activating Age Seal was repeated again, as these two scenes were actually the same scenes.

Spoiler: DiMaria activating Age Seal in ch.472

Spoiler: DiMaria activating Age Seal in ch.474

The conclusion: DiMaria's Age Seal was indeed affecting the whole time in Hargeon.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@DiMaria Yesta so what you're trying to say is that DiMaria stopped time for Laxus and Wahl??? Laxus and Wahl were fighting in Hargeon while DiMaria was outside of Hargeon iirc. her Age Seal has huge AoE which is very impressive.

 

[Arjuna]

@DiMaria Yesta I too believe Dimaria was defeated earlier than Wahl.There is no doubt after seeing the proofs you gave.I feel Dimaria's AOE is not universe level because that would make him surpass even Acnologia.As best feat done in Fairytail is by Acnologia is only island level.

 

[Vici]

@DiMaria Yesta So wait Dimaria goes down before Meldy and Jellal arrive at Hargeon ?
Damn it taken a little away from epic entrance of 3 of them in one chapter

Also if Dimaria stops time in chapter 472 then it's pretty obvious that it also affects Wahl and Laxus because of that scene...

Spoiler

Kagura and Erza are active despite still been outside Hargeon ( ground Kagura is standing on )

 

[Brandish μ]

Spoiler: Mari...

Back in chapter 474, Warred reported one of S12 in Hargeon has been defeated. He also said "I don't know what's going on but someone must've helped them". It's literally "someone". Who is this person? I think it's Ultear.

This could be true... but I'll add in C'Roll translation for comparison...

Spoiler: Ch474

In that translation it just says somebody might have taken one out. Note: this doesn't mean they know. So DiMaria could be downed first.

As for the map, it's hard to say where everyone is. For example I think the XII on the coast line has to be Neinhart. But the other XII's could be either Wall or Mari.

This is the cover for chapter 474..

Spoiler

Judging from that, Wahl was defeated first. This does match the positioning on Warren's MP map. But, DiMaria's position shouldn't be where it is on the cover, as Neinhart should be the most Western given he needs to be at sea (he hasn't left the ship). I can forgive Mashima for mixing that one up (either for the cover or Warren's map). And also it's a cover for a chapter before the fights, so he can't give away that DiMaria was already beaten. And should this cover even be considered as information??

I think Wahl was beaten first. DiMaria activated Age Seal in chapter 472. We see it against in 474 to take us back and remind us what is going on with DiMaria. Once she activates Age Seal around her battlefield, time is sealed, but outside that AoE time flows normally. This is my opinion of course.

Another thing that's important is the layout of Hargeon when considering how big DiMaria's AoE might be. Neinhart was at a port ie at sea. But I think DiMaria and Wahl aren't too far away from one another. On day 1 the Spriggan's pushed Isghal forces out of Hargeon. So Wahl and DiMaria were both near the edge of the town overlooking the incoming Kagura and co. who sought to reclaim the port town...

Spoiler

Then DiMaria heads into the battlefield...

Spoiler

Wahl stays in the same spot... so he and Laxus are there (near the edge of town). However their fight seems to drift into the town a bit.

Erza and Kagura then have to travel some distance to get to Neinhart (because he's at sea). This makes sense as they started running from the middle of the battlefield, which is outside Hargeon.

Hargeon's layout is relevant to Age Seal because there is a clock in town that stops (implied) while Ultear is talking about Age Seal. If we knew where the clock was we'd know if Laxus' battle was Age Sealed. We don't, so it's still a 2 horse race, but knowing the layout means it's possible that the clock can be in the port town, but still closer to DiMaria than Laxus/Wahl.

 

[Hermit]

The conclusion: DiMaria's Age Seal was indeed affecting the whole time in Hargeon.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
Holy shit I have been saying this for AGES!!!!
Age Seal worked on EVERYONE in the south...that includes Wahl, Neinhart, Jellal and Laxus...
This isn't even a matter of Dimaria....she controls TIME.....regardless of her own strength as a mage, time is something that affects everyone..unless you have a counter to it then Age Seal then it pretty much works on you

--- Double Post Merged, Aug 21, 2016, Original Post Date: Aug 21, 2016 ---

.I feel Dimaria's AOE is not universe level because that would make him surpass even Acnologia.

Not exactly Universe level...but definitely large enough to cover Fiore since even the people in the guild who were quite aways from the south had no idea what was happening in Dimaria's fight....I'd peg Age Seal to have AOE as big as Universe One or half of it