Canon Suzaku vs Erza Scarlet

[LaGOAT]

normally yes. if a bad guy hypes him or herself, then that statement is extremely suspicious.
like Dragon Eileen saying no human can stop Deus Sema, a hype i would easily ignore

same for Kirin, calling himself the strongest.
Third party hype is better.
So Selene saying Kirin is one of the strongest. made him, in my opinion, the strongest. but the difference between him and the next person (who is compared to him) is very small.
So for DDSK
i rank like this
Kirin >= Misaki > Suzaku > Haku

if a bad guy is hyped (you can include feats or mp here, Suzaku and brandish) with relative to good guys (Suzaku one shotting natus, Natsu sh!tting himself looking at brandish, jura > Mira + erza or Phantom arc S class = Fairy tail S class) it is always wrong.
people can make prediction easily from this. check tournament after Suzaku one shotting natsu and erza. so did i, and i was correct



I dont know about that man, lol. the point is, i have been saying since forever, that laxus and erza are around each other. that if laxus beat erza, Happy will be able to take laxus out afterwards. i think, i said this, like 4 years ago maybe.
and behold, i was correct.
But the crowd here, and you know of them. always gives erza a hard time. from @grey matter claiming DS seal is a power up, to @Axiomus claiming SO is much higher jump than three months training, and laxus might not have trained before GMG or @Seven777 claiming erza needed power up from all the team natsu to compete with laxus
then i sometimes like to create a balance, rather than have forum of wankers only lol

as for my belief
Laxus > = Erza
this was truth since start of fairy tail and still is (@grey matter recently figured out that relative power ranking among the good guys dont change, much)
this does not take into account pof type things

as for DDSK
Kirin most likely can beat Misaki 6 out of 10 times, and lose the rest. Which would explain Selene statement and Kirin silliness after losing to laxus.

why kirin gave laxus a hard time. because of that coffin. i said it from the start, that laxus had most problem with that coffin.
and now laxus and kirin are at each other throat, kinda like gray and natsu.
which gives a us a clear idea what mishma thinks about kirin and laxus power levels relative to each other.


So ever in confusion, ask me, i will explain everything.
Want to see this forum bais, check old tournaments and vs threads. @grey matter has a lovely example in erza vs mystogan thread, showing what little he needs to throw erza under the bus
or you can also check power level thread, note the dates after the chapter comes out.

Which is why I said the statement can/has to be backup by Portrayal and feats.

I mean by ur logic u don’t believe that misaki isn’t the strongest woman in her continent because herself proclaimed statement?

Also what makes u beleive that misaki>Suzuku? I’m just curious

which is why it’s weird to me when we agree on this. after the laxus and erza fight I haven’t seen any1 put laxus ln another tier from erza (not that I remember) I feel like when people say laxus>erza u get triggered/it rubs u the wrong way.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Which is why I said the statement can/has to be backup by Portrayal and feats.

I mean by ur logic u don’t believe that misaki isn’t the strongest woman in her continent because herself proclaimed statement?

Also what makes u beleive that misaki>Suzuku? I’m just curious

which is why it’s weird to me when we agree on this. after the laxus and erza fight I haven’t seen any1 put laxus ln another tier from erza (not that I remember) I feel like when people say laxus>erza u get triggered/it rubs u the wrong way.

Well tbf Miskai never claimed herself as the strongest woman on the continent, Haku did.
She just said she never met a woman as strong as her beside Erza and Selene.

Misaki was already hinted at to be the second strongest. Kirin the strongest compared to Gildarts another one as well while the other 2 weren't meaning they weren't compared to that kind of power from Wendy and Natsu.
She said NO ONE forced her to get serious except the strongest meaning she is only behind Kirin. The others didn't get to fight a dragon god so they got portrayal and statements. Tho they got some feats Slammed Laxus and doing more damage to a opponent in 5 seconds while wasn't capable of doing attacking said opponent numerous times going all out.
Suzaku is the "special" one not the strongest.

Laxus and Erza are equal, tho a lot or people she had MAJOR outside help even when she didn't. He gets defended because people claim Laxus is much stronger than Erza when he isn't.

 

[Darklord#10]

The others didn't get to fight a dragon god so they got portrayal and statements.

That's mashima problem. Not our problem that mashima can't give Misaki decent feats. How the fuck do you have laxus and kirin in one Arc but natsu and suzaku were the ones to fight dragon god. It doesn't make sense. Feats>statements. Suzaku has better feats than Misaki. How she going to ko suzaku if he can just keep getting back up. He survived a stomp from dragon form dogramag. Nah suzaku slices Misaki. I can't believe I use to think this slayer knight were human acnologia level only for them to get retconned to oblivion

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She said NO ONE forced her to get serious except the strongest meaning she is only behind Kirin.

Lol suzaku literally said there was nothing his sword can cut. Suzaku never even sheathed his sword until he gave natsu against dogramag. Suzaku by feats is stronger than Misaki. Facts

 

[MyaHeart35]

That's mashima problem. Not our problem that mashima can't give Misaki decent feats. How the fuck do you have laxus and kirin in one Arc but natsu and suzaku were the ones to fight dragon god. It doesn't make sense. Feats>statements. Suzaku has better feats than Misaki. How she going to ko suzaku if he can just keep getting back up. He survived a stomp from dragon form dogramag. Nah suzaku slices Misaki. I can't believe I use to think this slayer knight were human acnologia level only for them to get retconned to oblivion

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Lol suzaku literally said there was nothing his sword can cut. Suzaku never even sheathed his sword until he gave natsu against dogramag. Suzaku by feats is stronger than Misaki. Facts

That's mashima problem. Not our problem that mashima can't give Misaki decent feats. How the fuck do you have laxus and kirin in one Arc but natsu and suzaku were the ones to fight dragon god. It doesn't make sense. Feats>statements. Suzaku has better feats than Misaki. How she going to ko suzaku if he can just keep getting back up. He survived a stomp from dragon form dogramag. Nah suzaku slices Misaki. I can't believe I use to think this slayer knight were human acnologia level only for them to get retconned to oblivion

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Lol suzaku literally said there was nothing his sword can cut. Suzaku never even sheathed his sword until he gave natsu against dogramag. Suzaku by feats is stronger than Misaki. Facts

By the Author which is "FACTS" Misaki > Suzaku. You can't get mad all you want doesn't change the fact Misaki is stronger than Suzaku, sorry.

 

[Darklord#10]

By the Author which is "FACTS" Misaki > Suzaku. You can't get mad all you want doesn't change the fact Misaki is stronger than Suzaku, sorry.

Misaki has zilch feats that back up any of her statement. Even when she got serious she couldn't put down Erza while kirin got serious and stomped laxus. Misaki literally only took two attacks in the whole of the labyrinth arc.
Suzaku tanked fire dragon king demo fist
Tanked an attack that blew an entire section of the labyrinth
Suzaku tanked dog's first attempt to stomp him
Suzaku tanked dogramag dragon form stomp
Suzaku finally ran out of magic power he has not been KO'd. You must be really dumb if you except me to overlook suzaku's feat and accept misaki's bullshit statement, hell she got serious and couldn't even put down Erza. Kirin doesn't have better feats than suzaku but he has feats backing up why he's the strongest. Misaki literally only took two attacks too be KO'd while suzaku tanked an attack that blew out an entire section of the labyrinth. No way in hell is Misaki stronger than suzaku. Suzaku has by far the better feats. Only Erza fans like you want misaki to be stronger than suzaku so you can upscale Mrs nakama queen

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FACTS" Misaki > Suzaku

Where was this stated? Misaki is not stronger than suzaku only kirin is stronger than suzaku

 

[MyaHeart35]

Misaki has zilch feats that back up any of her statement. Even when she got serious she couldn't put down Erza while kirin got serious and stomped laxus. Misaki literally only took two attacks in the whole of the labyrinth arc.
Suzaku tanked fire dragon king demo fist
Tanked an attack that blew an entire section of the labyrinth
Suzaku tanked dog's first attempt to stomp him
Suzaku tanked dogramag dragon form stomp
Suzaku finally ran out of magic power he has not been KO'd. You must be really dumb if you except me to overlook suzaku's feat and accept misaki's bullshit statement, hell she got serious and couldn't even put down Erza. Kirin doesn't have better feats than suzaku but he has feats backing up why he's the strongest. Misaki literally only took two attacks too be KO'd while suzaku tanked an attack that blew out an entire section of the labyrinth. No way in hell is Misaki stronger than suzaku. Suzaku has by far the better feats. Only Erza fans like you want misaki to be stronger than suzaku so you can upscale Mrs nakama queen

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Where was this stated? Misaki is not stronger than suzaku only kirin is stronger than suzaku

Misaki literally tanked an attack that threw acnologia out of the sky and stalemated Laxus Red lightning.
The author intentions are pretty clear. It doesn't take an idiot to figure out Misaki > Suzaku.
The strongest compare to Gildarts another one compared to Gildarts the other 2 weren't.
If Natsu felt Suzaku at Gildarts level don't you think he would have pointed it out.
On top that Misaki literally confirmed no one force her to get serious except Kirin. That literally means she is stronger.
The only people who doesn't see that are people who try to downplay Erza and upscale Natsu.
Yes I agree Suzaku had better feats doesn't mean he's stronger.
Kirin> Misaki > Suzaku > Haku by the author.
You Kirin> Suzaku>>>>>>>Miskai > Haku.

Does this make sense
Kirin(Gildarts)> Suzaku>>> Miskai(Gildarts)> Haku

She is hinted to be stronger so she is, nothing around about it.

It's literally confirmed by Gray if Erza and Suzaku fought again it's 100% guarantee win for Erza.

 

[Darklord#10]

If Natsu felt Suzaku at Gildarts level don't you think he would have pointed it out.

Why would he do that? That's not in natsu's character to point out magic power levels of characters. You just have to be strong in natsu's eyes

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Misaki literally tanked an attack that threw acnologia out of the sky and stalemated Laxus Red lightning

A Christina and igneel's tail level feat lmao . Hell even jellal could push dragon acnologia. Try again

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The only people who doesn't see that are people who try to downplay Erza and upscale Natsu.

Weren't you trying to claim that Lucy is on fire dragon king natsu level and red lightning laxus level? You're the one that's been downplaying natsu since. The only reason madmolle no sold natsu's heat was because his armour was stated to have heat endurance. Try reading the fights properly I know you don't read the fight properly you just want to see boobs flying up and down

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Does this make sense
Kirin(Gildarts)> Suzaku>>> Miskai(Gildarts)> Haku

Nice. I'm going to prove why you're a trash debater. Brandish has MP on God Serena level but according to you she has Lucy tier stats. God Serena historia was comfortably trashing team natsu by himself. A real god Serena solod a previous gildarts level character plus four others that were stronger. You can't prove Misaki is stronger than suzaku she literally went out with two hits like WTF? Two fucking hits? Suzaku is actually one of the few characters that doesn't need to sniff POF to get feats. His durability feats is crazy

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The author intentions are pretty clear. It doesn't take an idiot to figure out Misaki > Suzaku.

Maybe you're the idiot here. If you think it's only on mangahelpers that people believe suzaku is stronger than his peers you're deadbrain. Hell even on comic Vine people have suzaku beating Erza, on vsbw people have suzaku beating Erza,on Twitter on Reddit. You're the only fool who believes that statements>feats especially when misaki couldn't back up her statement. She couldn't put down Erza while kirin put down laxus. Misaki has zilch feats to suggest she's stronger than suzaku. Like bro suzaku got fucking stomped by a dragon and survived and was still standing? He literally has not being KO'd

 

[FireIce]

If Natsu felt Suzaku at Gildarts level don't you think he would have pointed it out.

Suzaku never flexed his magic power in front of Natsu. He has only ever done that with Selene.

On top that Misaki literally confirmed no one force her to get serious except Kirin. That literally means she is stronger.

That doesn't mean anything. Georg is stronger than Misaki but he may have never fought her.

 

[Darklord#10]

Suzaku never flexed his magic power in front of Natsu. He has only ever done that with Selene.



That doesn't mean anything. Georg is stronger than Misaki but he may have never fought her.

Thank you. You actually read the fucking manga. I mean all in all suzaku just has better feats. Even if Misaki is stronger than suzaku then mashima has done a bad job displaying why. Like a lot of people think suzaku is the strongest slayer knight, it's not only on mangahelpers

 

[MyaHeart35]

Suzaku never flexed his magic power in front of Natsu. He has only ever done that with Selene.



That doesn't mean anything. Georg is stronger than Misaki but he may have never fought her.

They could literally sense Misaki's power before she when she approached them. Miskai wasn't even flexing tho. She was pretty casual.
Suzaku used his strongest attack against Natsu, and Natsu didn't felt him at that power level. Natsu loves to fight the strongest especially Gildarts so he would have commented it if he did.

Yeah and George is dead. I'm pretty sure when Mashima wrote that he wanted Misaki to be above everyone mostly the BDSK in the guild except Kirin.

However Suzaku claim George far exceeded "his" power. Not the entire guild.
The BDSK were never stated to be equal. They were stated to be just as strong as Suzaku.
Especially when they're were comparing them their the top 4 in the guild all S class wizards.
Kirin and Miskai are canonically above Suzaku no matter how much people try to deny it.

The only why people see Suzaku as the strongest because is feats against human Selene which seems to be a fluke and they want to see natsu far stronger than Erza and Laxus.

 

[Axiomus]

erm kid, my point for that was Hiro doesnt go into details. he just draws cool things.

Technically speaking, when erza tried to save natsu from suzaku, she may well have been moving faster than suzaku. because she moved from behind him and amount of minimum strides she had to take.
but after that point, i stated clearly, that mishma most likely wouldnt pay attention to such details, so the Author will not take that into consideration. if Suzaku vs erza happened in the future (after that exchange), suzaku will be faster than erza, at least in the start.
(Background context, around the same time, me and @Axiomus were talking about the exchange, and he claimed that suzaku strikes erza twice, he knew this because of strike trajectory, and i simply said, Hero doesnt care about details like this)

so again kid, please ask before speaking.

Suzaku did make two cuts. One strike to break the sword. Another on Erza. The cuts were from different directions, and the sword broke before Erza's wounds opened up. 2 cuts. The argument that Mashima doesnt care is unconvincing because Mashima is the one that drew it like so. Erza wasnt *faster* even if we do take your interpretation (that it was one cut that smashed Erza's sword). Suzaku drew his sword, made a cut, and sheathed it before Erza realized she was beaten. At best she was as fast as Suzaku.

Not that this even matters. He was casual against Erza and Natsu. Selene was faster than Suzaku when she got serious, and he still landed his strongest move on her when he got more serious too.

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But the crowd here, and you know of them. always gives erza a hard time. from @grey matter claiming DS seal is a power up, to @Axiomus claiming SO is much higher jump than three months training, and laxus might not have trained before GMG

Sorry, but second origin *is* a far better power up than 3 months of training. I've already explained this. Second origin doubles your MP supply. Nobody that trained for 3 months doubled their MP from Tenrou to GMG. Not even Gildarts.

Second origin gave Erza the ability to use nakagami, Natsu the ability to use DF without eating for a power up, Lucy the ability to summon the CSK. All things they couldnt do with their pre-timeskip MP levels. 3 months of training gave Laxus....a secret art. It's not even a stronger attack than Fairy Glitter, which means it wont be a stronger attack than his own Fairy Law pre TS.

 

[Sevently]

Erza wins, she has already defeated Misaki who is at the same level as Suzaku. You need to stop fantasizing about a Suzaku above BDSK level.
Selene fought Suzaku and still implied that Kirin was one of the strongest, which literally means that he is on the same level as Suzaku and maybe even slightly stronger.

If Suzaku was so special, he would have been mentioned like for August and Eileen.

 

[Darklord#10]

Erza wins, she has already defeated Misaki who is at the same level as Suzaku. You need to stop fantasizing about a Suzaku above BDSK level.
Selene fought Suzaku and still implied that Kirin was one of the strongest, which literally means that he is on the same level as Suzaku and maybe even slightly stronger.

If Suzaku was so special, he would have been mentioned like for August and Eileen.

Until you can prove that Erza can destroy the labyrinth walls there's zilch chance she's beating suzaku. Prove that Misaki hits hard as nerfed dogramag. If you can't prove that then just keep quiet. This is starting to get ridiculous to me. Why do we ignore feats? Do feats not matter? So all someone has to do to be strong is get statement and that's all? Look you have to proof that Misaki is stronger than nerfed dogramag or else Erza isn't winning shit

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Erza wins, she has already defeated Misaki who is at the same level as Suzaku. You need to stop fantasizing about a Suzaku above BDSK level.
Selene fought Suzaku and still implied that Kirin was one of the strongest, which literally means that he is on the same level as Suzaku and maybe even slightly stronger.

If Suzaku was so special, he would have been mentioned like for August and Eileen.

George folds Eileen and august combined. Everyday of the week. He literally slayed the dragons and gave them to the dragon eaters.

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Erza wins, she has already defeated Misaki who is at the same level as Suzaku. You need to stop fantasizing about a Suzaku above BDSK level.
Selene fought Suzaku and still implied that Kirin was one of the strongest, which literally means that he is on the same level as Suzaku and maybe even slightly stronger.

If Suzaku was so special, he would have been mentioned like for August and Eileen.

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Show prove that Misaki can deal this amount of damage to suzaku. She got KO'd by a random human while suzaku survived even after not being able to breathe or move. Lmao. You want to ignore feats, then we shall ignore gildarts level MP

 

[FireIce]

Erza already lost to Suzaku in canon. To a casual Suzaku. He has tanked numerous attacks that are much stronger than what Erza can dish out and has never actually been "truly" defeated.

 

[Garmadooon]

I'll just say to people who got scammed by "Misaki is Gildarts level": there have never been such claims.

Gray said "She COULD compete with Luxus or Gildarts" (And you know Gray hasn't been a reliable source ever since he shit himself in front of strong people) absolutely does not mean she is Gildarts level. Yes she is Luxus level since she tanked Blumenblatt but after Erza only needed one final blow to take her down. How does Gild compare to such a glass cannon? It does not mean anything.

Sorry but Suzaku is stronger than her. What happens in the story>>>>the author's baseless statements.

 

[Shoutmon]

I'm surprised this thread is still active.

Erza still gets destroyed just like she did in canon, lol

 

[Darklord#10]

I'm surprised this thread is still active.

Erza still gets destroyed just like she did in canon, lol

The guy could not even breathe and still broke out of labyrinth. Only natsu and erza can pull off something ridiculous like that while cracked on POF. He literally couldn't move and breathe. According to chatgpt 10-15 seconds if someone can't breathe he begins to lose consciousness

 

[Jko]

I'm surprised this thread is still active.

Erza still gets destroyed just like she did in canon, lol

Tired and worn out from her fight with Yoko. Natsu also lost and guess what happened the second time around lol.

Base Natsu < Erza in the status quo therefore Suzaku = Base Natsu < Erza.

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I'll just say to people who got scammed by "Misaki is Gildarts level": there have never been such claims.

Gray said "She COULD compete with Luxus or Gildarts" (And you know Gray hasn't been a reliable source ever since he shit himself in front of strong people) absolutely does not mean she is Gildarts level. Yes she is Luxus level since she tanked Blumenblatt but after Erza only needed one final blow to take her down. How does Gild compare to such a glass cannon? It does not mean anything.

Sorry but Suzaku is stronger than her. What happens in the story>>>>the author's baseless statements.

Gray directly compared her magic power to that of Gildarts and Laxus lmao.

Blumen Blatt blocked Laxus strongest attack, Raiko ergo Misaki just brushed off Laxus strongest attack with minimal damage. That would make her stronger than Laxus before RLDKM. That's like saying how does Kirin compare to Gild when he got oneshotted right after Laxus turned the tide with RDKLM lmao. All these fights got decided in one decisive blow. Doesn't make the opponents glass canons it just means the attacks are stronger than the level they can tank.

What happened in the story was Erza surpassing a BDSK with stronger magical power than Suzaku's lmao.

 

[Darklord#10]

Tired and worn out from her fight with Yoko. Natsu also lost and guess what happened the second time around lol.

Base Natsu < Erza in the status quo therefore Suzaku = Base Natsu < Erza.

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Gray directly compared her magic power to that of Gildarts and Laxus lmao.

Blumen Blatt blocked Laxus strongest attack, Raiko ergo Misaki just brushed off Laxus strongest attack with minimal damage. That would make her stronger than Laxus before RLDKM. That's like saying how does Kirin compare to Gild when he got oneshotted right after Laxus turned the tide with RDKLM lmao. All these fights got decided in one decisive blow. Doesn't make the opponents glass canons it just means the attacks are stronger than the level they can tank.

What happened in the story was Erza surpassing a BDSK with stronger magical power than Suzaku's lmao.

Proof they can stop suzaku from breathing. If they can't keep quiet. Suzaku can last up to 20 seconds without oxygen. Show proof that erza and misaki can stop him from breathing. If this was Erza or natsu y'all would have hyped the fucking shit out of both of them but because it's not them it's suzaku that's why y'all are doing this. Remember when Eileen wankers said dragon Eileen paw swipe one shots august? Lol okay suzaku took a legit stomp right in his face.

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Show prove that Misaki can deal this amount of damage to suzaku. She got KO'd by a random human while suzaku survived even after not being able to breathe or move. Lmao. You want to ignore feats, then we shall ignore gildarts level MP

I dare anyone who thinks misaki is stronger than suzaku to show me proof that
a) Misaki is stronger than nerfed dogramag
b) that she can make ko suzaku.
Bring shitsaki's feats let's compare

 

[Shoutmon]

Tired and worn out from her fight with Yoko. Natsu also lost and guess what happened the second time around lol.

Base Natsu < Erza in the status quo therefore Suzaku = Base Natsu < Erza.

Natsu was still oneshot material. He just developed a special counter for Suzaku.

It'll be the same case with Erza, but she won't have anything to stop herself from getting destroyed